3 Weeks Out Mock Draft

[modo]

Umm, stop CCS-ing and just give an answer. I didnt bother googling to find out if Landry was in the senior bowl.

yet you believe you know enough to say the Bears should take him over other prospects like Davenport....

I don't pretend to be a draft expert. I was answering a question on why Davenport is possibly going to go before Landry.....he may not, but I can bet both will go in the first round.

Scouts and experts supposedly liked what they saw in Davenport at the senior bowl. Landry was not there because he was injured. I think you look at each individual player and make the decision......could Landry bet....yes....but many people believe Davenport has a very high ceiling....even higher than Landry. So it is certainly not out of the realm to go get Davenport.

 

[Da Coach]

The reason why Davenport producing during senior bowl,week is a big deal is because of those questions about his level of competition and raw play. During that week, he proved he could take to learning NFL concepts, and he excelled against what was top level college competition.

This isn't really how I viewed it. Yes, he got better as the week progressed, but the game featured some pretty weak tackles in a very weak tackle year.

I've been listening to NFL radio coverage of the senior Bowl for the last couple years. I trust Pat and Jim, and neither were overly impressed. They both liked him but the consensus was that he is really raw and has virtually no moves.

I have too agree with X - we arent the type of team who should be taking a flyer on this guy.

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[modo]

This isn't really how I viewed it. Yes, he got better as the week progressed, but the game featured some pretty weak tackles in a very weak tackle year.

I've been listening to NFL radio coverage of the senior Bowl for the last couple years. I trust Pat and Jim, and neither were overly impressed. They both liked him but the consensus was that he is really raw and has virtually no moves.

I have too agree with X - we arent the type of team who should be taking a flyer on this guy.

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Have you met a Ryan Pace draft?

 

[Xplosive]

I did not watch 2016 Landry, but his 2017 film was not overly impressive to me. He has 1 or 2 plays a game where he times the snap perfectly and is able to dip under the OT untouched. The rest of the game he is invisible and a complete nonfactor. When he can’t time the snap perfectly, he just runs straight into the OT and that’s the end of that, because he has no pass rush moves. He is manhandled in the run game and he can’t set an edge. He frequently gets sucked in and ball carriers are able to break to the outside. I see him as nothing more than a situational pass rush specialist, but only judging from his 2017 film.

I disagree with that simplistic assessment of Landry in 2017 as much as I would anyone simply calling Davenport a bumslayer.

Landry had 5 sacks and 8 TFL in 9 injury plagued 2017 games. Same guy had 16.5 sacks and 22 TFL in 13 2016 games. These are ACC games meanwhile Davenport played 4 years of games in Division II and only had one year of 8 sacks.

All those power moves and bull rushes he would use against those weak lineman and thats the best he could do? 6 sacks in 2016, 4 in 2015?? What happens when he faces NFL caliber linemen (not just senior bowl guys)?

Landry isnt just running around guys he uses power and balance, he could definitely learn a couple more moves but he doesnt need to be a dancer just have excellent get off, strength (more reps than Davenport), and have a plan that he’s efficient with.

 

[Xplosive]

yet you believe you know enough to say the Bears should take him over other prospects like Davenport....

I don't pretend to be a draft expert. I was answering a question on why Davenport is possibly going to go before Landry.....he may not, but I can bet both will go in the first round.

Scouts and experts supposedly liked what they saw in Davenport at the senior bowl. Landry was not there because he was injured. I think you look at each individual player and make the decision......could Landry bet....yes....but many people believe Davenport has a very high ceiling....even higher than Landry. So it is certainly not out of the realm to go get Davenport.

So not knowing if he played in the senior bowl means Im not “qualified” to have an opinion on which is the better player? Srsly??

 

[modo]

So not knowing if he played in the senior bowl means Im not “qualified” to have an opinion on which is the better player? Srsly??

I never said you couldn't have an opinion.

 

[Leddy]

This is god awful. Sorry, windy. I typically like your stuff, but this is pretty bad. Lots of reaches, and the only projected starter you have is a RT at LG. Davenport is a major reach and risk at #8. I’m pro BPA, and can live with drafting for need. This accomplished neither...

 

[Adipost]

I disagree with that simplistic assessment of Landry in 2017 as much as I would anyone simply calling Davenport a bumslayer.

Landry had 5 sacks and 8 TFL in 9 injury plagued 2017 games. Same guy had 16.5 sacks and 22 TFL in 13 2016 games. These are ACC games meanwhile Davenport played 4 years of games in Division II and only had one year of 8 sacks.

All those power moves and bull rushes he would use against those weak lineman and thats the best he could do? 6 sacks in 2016, 4 in 2015?? What happens when he faces NFL caliber linemen (not just senior bowl guys)?

Landry isnt just running around guys he uses power and balance, he could definitely learn a couple more moves but he doesnt need to be a dancer just have excellent get off, strength (more reps than Davenport), and have a plan that he’s efficient with.

We shall see who the professionals value come draft day.

 

[modo]

We shall see who the professionals value come draft day.

they will both go in the first round

 

[TL1961]

Dez and Windy are very competitive. They would scratch each other's eyes out if they ever met

Who is this "Dez", of whom you speak?

Sincerely,

Aesopian

 

[TL1961]

There are several players the Bears can choose and I think feel comfortable with.

Davenport, Ward, Nelson, Smith, Fitzpatrick, James....Several will be there at 8 although the Bears biggest need will be pass rusher.

For this reason, a trade down is a viable option. I won't be upset if they draft Nelson at 8 if there. But of the others, it seems we could move down a bit and still nab one. Fitzpatrick or Ward? We could get one lower than 8. Smith? Would be nice to have,but not worth the 8th pick.

Anyway....I won't likely be upset with the bears pick, as there are many options I like. But I would love to add a pick in the process if one of these guys is the pick. If we lose a pick to move up and grab Chubb, I'd be OK with that as well, but I don't expect it.

 

[truthbedamned]

3[70] NT B.J Hill [NC State] 6'4" 315lbs, 4.99 [40], 35 reps, 26.5" vert, 8'5" broad, 7.28 cone

The Bears have a depth problem on the DL and they have a rotation issue that leaves Hicks and Goldman playing way too many snaps. Hill has the height and length to match up with OTs at end and he has the power and base to play the NT if needed. Hill is not an elite mover, but his ability to rock OGs with his hands and to control them with his length would be an asset to the Bears. The Bears defense starts with a dominant DL and to keep Goldman and Hicks fresh with quality and upside depth will only add to the dominance of this unit. Hill gives the Bears someone who can play run downs early and allow Hicks and Goldman to focus more on pass rush downs and on key game situations like the 2 minute offense.

So am I missing where the Niners gave us back our 3rd round pick? Pretty sure they want to keep that pick. If not.....then Pace really fleeced Lynch.

 

[Adipost]

Wow that was a hell of a play!

It reminded me of the Clowney hit...

 

[PAPABEAR77]

Walterfootball just proposed this trade for the Bears/Pats:

http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2018trade05.php

Don't think the return would be enough to trade down that far.

They would have to give up more than that. They would have to give up Beckham to


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[PAPABEAR77]

that's another potential good choice

I don’t know I think is the best linebacker inside or out in the draft.If Nelson is not there at 8 he is my pick


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[PAPABEAR77]

Windy too many linebackers we aren’t that needy


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[Sculpt]

Windy, are you sure the Bears would line Davenport up at OLB as opposed to DE?

He played hand in the dirt 4-3 DE. At 6'7" 256 lbs... he certainly could play both, although perhaps a little lighter than most NFL 3-4 DEs, who would be more in the 280 lbs range. I just see Davenport gaining a lot more bulk and weight at the NFL level, he has the frame for it. It will certainly matter where the Bears place him.

Personally, I like him at DE... got to like Hicks/Goldman/Davenport. But he can certainly play OLB. What's your thoughts?

 

[Tjodalv]

Windy, are you sure the Bears would line Davenport up at OLB as opposed to DE?

He played hand in the dirt 4-3 DE. At 6'7" 256 lbs... he certainly could play both, although perhaps a little lighter than most NFL 3-4 DEs, who would be more in the 280 lbs range. I just see Davenport gaining a lot more bulk and weight at the NFL level, he has the frame for it. It will certainly matter where the Bears place him.

Personally, I like him at DE... got to like Hicks/Goldman/Davenport. But he can certainly play OLB. What's your thoughts?

Fangio plays DEs that are closer to 300 than 280. Both Houston and McPhee played OLB at 270+, Aldon Smith was 265, et cetera. Basically, not a fucking chance Davenport plays DE rather than OLB in this system.

 

[RiDLer80]

Windy too many linebackers we aren’t that needy


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You can never have too many pass rushers.

 

[greg23]

Davenport over Fitzpatrick and Edmunds?
As well as ward and Smith (don't really want either anyway)

#8 seems really risky for this kid and if going to roll the dice think I'd prefer Edmunds.

Still hoping Nelson is our pick as all the assests for Mitch are worthless if nobody can block for him and the likes of grassu, kush, Watford, sowell as starters scare the shit out of me.