31 Americans Killed In Helicopter Crash In Afghanistan,

[bri]

The helicopter that was apparently shot down had specialized units aboard including elite navy Seals.













http://news.yahoo.com/31-americans-7-afghans-killed-helicopter-crash-145151275.html

 

[sth]

Yeah this really sucks. Sounds like the same set up as the mission to get Bin Laden. Stuff like this really makes you wonder if we should still be in Afghanistan.

 

[jaxhawksfan]

Anyone want to speculate on conspiracy to quiet most of the guys who were allegedly responsible for killing Osama?

 

[bri]

Anyone want to speculate on conspiracy to quiet most of the guys who were allegedly responsible for killing Osama?

Do you mean conspiracy in that they were shot down by friendly fire on purpose? Or that they were set up for the Taliban to shoot them down?

 

[jaxhawksfan]

I don't know the answers, I just ask the questions.

 

[bri]

Just read that many of the Seals were from Seal Team 6 and that they were on a rescue mission to help out some Army Rangers.





http://news.yahoo.com/seals-rescue-mission-killed-afghan-crash-190240151.html

 

[EbonyRaptor]

Anyone want to speculate on conspiracy to quiet most of the guys who were allegedly responsible for killing Osama?

Your speculation doesn't make sense. Why would the US purposely kill (murder) the Special Ops guys to quiet them? Bin Laden is dead and the whole world knows US Special Forces did it. The only people who have potential to be hurt by revealing details of the operation (i.e. names of the Seals who took part in the operation) are the Seals who took part in the operation. The Special Ops guys that carried out the mission wouldn't have been privy to the intelligence gathering that provided the info on Bin Laden's whereabouts so it's unlikely the point is to protect some intelligence resource. I fail to see a reason the US would want to "quiet" them.

 

[EbonyRaptor]

Yeah this really sucks. Sounds like the same set up as the mission to get Bin Laden. Stuff like this really makes you wonder if we should still be in Afghanistan.

As the father of a soldier fighting in Afganistan, I'm all for bringing the troops home. Especially with the limitted Rules of Engagement our troops are forced to follow. If we're not there to 100% win the fight - we shouldn't be there at all.

 

[BigPete]

Your speculation doesn't make sense. Why would the US purposely kill (murder) the Special Ops guys to quiet them? Bin Laden is dead and the whole world knows US Special Forces did it. The only people who have potential to be hurt by revealing details of the operation (i.e. names of the Seals who took part in the operation) are the Seals who took part in the operation. The Special Ops guys that carried out the mission wouldn't have been privy to the intelligence gathering that provided the info on Bin Laden's whereabouts so it's unlikely the point is to protect some intelligence resource. I fail to see a reason the US would want to "quiet" them.

US Special Forces did not participate in the reported capture of Usama Bin Laden. The US Navy SEALs did so. US Special Forces is the name given to the US Army Green Berets.



The SEALs are a part of the US Special Operations community.



Semantics; but it does matter.

 

[winos5]

Although it was members of Seal Team 6, I believe I read it was not the soldiers involved in the Usama Bin Laden mission.

 

[BigPete]

Although it was members of Seal Team 6, I believe I read it was not the soldiers involved in the Usama Bin Laden mission.

Correct. No sailors from the UBL mission were on that flight...as reported in the news.



I don't have any personal knowledge of either mission. I stay away from that kind of information these days.

 

[EbonyRaptor]

US Special Forces did not participate in the reported capture of Usama Bin Laden. The US Navy SEALs did so. US Special Forces is the name given to the US Army Green Berets.



The SEALs are a part of the US Special Operations community.



Semantics; but it does matter.

Thanks for the clarification BigPete. I always thought Special Operations and Special Forces were the same. I'm glad you told me.

 

[BigPete]

Thanks for the clarification BigPete. I always thought Special Operations and Special Forces were the same. I'm glad you told me.

No problem. I have actually made the mistake myself before. I only made a point to say it because the book I am reading made a big point about it. "Hunting al Qaeda" by Anonymous. It is about members of the US Army Special Forces Reserves from Virginia. So it is a big deal to them of course.



Funny part is that they made a big declaration that early on in Afghanistan, the SEALs were there conducting missions but those guys were so out of the element that they screwed up many missions. Their typical AOR is the water and no further inland than the high water mark. At least it was until 2001...



I still want to know more about some SEALs and Afghans coming to the 'rescue' of Army Rangers...who then had to go rescue the SEALs at the crash site. Sounds like a lot of missing information in the news report. The SEALs might have been a QRF for the region or they were more likely in bound to the target site that the Rangers had secured to do a snatch and grab of an HVT. That would be a real mission for a flight of SEAL Team Six sailors, 6 Afghan special operations troops, and a dog handler and his/her dog.

 

[Variable]

Your speculation doesn't make sense. Why would the US purposely kill (murder) the Special Ops guys to quiet them? Bin Laden is dead and the whole world knows US Special Forces did it. The only people who have potential to be hurt by revealing details of the operation (i.e. names of the Seals who took part in the operation) are the Seals who took part in the operation. The Special Ops guys that carried out the mission wouldn't have been privy to the intelligence gathering that provided the info on Bin Laden's whereabouts so it's unlikely the point is to protect some intelligence resource. I fail to see a reason the US would want to "quiet" them.

What if it wasn't bin Laden they killed? What if there were rumblings of some members being angry as how they were being used as political pawns in a lie to the country (similar to the way Pat Tillman was used) and maybe they were going to speak out against it? I'm not saying any of that is true or happened.

 

[BigPete]

What if it wasn't bin Laden they killed? What if there were rumblings of some members being angry as how they were being used as political pawns in a lie to the country (similar to the way Pat Tillman was used) and maybe they were going to speak out against it? I'm not saying any of that is true or happened.

What? Why are you bringing Tillman into this. His good name was used in some heroic parable fashion rather than telling the people the truth that some idiots from his unit mistook him for the enemy and lit him up. Have you watched the Tillman Story?



What is your point here? While I don't 100% buy the whole fantastic 'UBL got whacked by the SEALs' story, I don't think this incident had anything to do with the other what so ever. It's war, helicopters get shot down and people die.

 

[bri]

What if it wasn't bin Laden they killed? What if there were rumblings of some members being angry as how they were being used as political pawns in a lie to the country (similar to the way Pat Tillman was used) and maybe they were going to speak out against it? I'm not saying any of that is true or happened.

So which conspiracy theory are you proposing? Not a criticism, just a question.

 

[sth]

The Taliban shot this helicopter down. They used an RPG it was a lucky shot. They had no idea who was on the helicopter, they just new it was Chinook so it would have Americans on it. Interestingly Pete, I saw on CNN now that the military says the Seals were going after a high ranking Taliban commander and they were on the way to the mission not coming back. I assume the first story might have been a ruse so the commander didn't know he was the target.

 

[EbonyRaptor]

What if it wasn't bin Laden they killed? What if there were rumblings of some members being angry as how they were being used as political pawns in a lie to the country (similar to the way Pat Tillman was used) and maybe they were going to speak out against it? I'm not saying any of that is true or happened.

OY! Common sense would preclude me from giving this a fair hearing.



1. Didn't Congressional leaders view pictures of the corpse? Plus I believe Joe Biden did too - you know he wouldn't be able to keep his yapper shut.

2. Wouldn't Bin Laden like nothing better than to pop up and embarrass the US if he were still alive?

 

[EbonyRaptor]

The Taliban shot this helicopter down. They used an RPG it was a lucky shot. They had no idea who was on the helicopter, they just new it was Chinook so it would have Americans on it. Interestingly Pete, I saw on CNN now that the military says the Seals were going after a high ranking Taliban commander and they were on the way to the mission not coming back. I assume the first story might have been a ruse so the commander didn't know he was the target.

+1 The voice of reason.

 

[BigPete]

The Taliban shot this helicopter down. They used an RPG it was a lucky shot. They had no idea who was on the helicopter, they just new it was Chinook so it would have Americans on it. Interestingly Pete, I saw on CNN now that the military says the Seals were going after a high ranking Taliban commander and they were on the way to the mission not coming back. I assume the first story might have been a ruse so the commander didn't know he was the target.

I don't make shit up yo. I know a fair amount about current tactics from my time in the army. Shoot I know plenty from books that have been recently published on this war in particular.