bubbleheadchief
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Actually you'd probably be surprised to know that a lot of the time, it's the opposite.Sometimes, in certain cases almost exclusively, it's the only way it works. How complex would be too complex or how many people would you say would be too many people in keeping with it still being considered "realistic" and plausible to happen? A hundred? Couple hundred? Maybe even a couple thousand people? That's probably pushing it for a lot of people that believe that way, but it's not even close.
One of the most amazing and,at the same time, horrifying achievements of all time in our history took up to 130,000 people, almost all of whom not knowing exactly what they were working towards or what exact purpose they were serving for almost their entire length of time serving it in undertaking a project that took place all over the country and overseas over the better part of a decade and of which details of weren't known for about another quarter of a century later. The Manhattan Project, by numbers of people involved, is the single biggest provable conspiracy theory to this point. But what it's a better example of is compartmentalization. Large groups of people not knowing exactly what they are involved and to what goals they are helping to achieve by their involvement.
When you keep saying things like this I can only hope you don't fully understand the kind of actions and lies and the consequences of those actions and lies you are defending, because you're talking about a whole country full of people that shouldn't really know what some of their friends, their moms, dads, brothers, sisters are really dying for. Maybe you misinterpreted something somewhere along the line, but you keep giving this same excuse just about every single time this sort of discussion comes up, and all I keep thinking when I hear that, every single time, is: Where's the line in that? How far do you take that? Because Pistol Pete here wasn't discussing something like training exercises for top secret SEAL members or their strategies or protocols or anything like that that we really don't need to know. He was talking about reasons to go into war and what we were being sold on to support it.
You think maybe it's gotten too far when citizens of the United States are being harmed by the consequences and the actions of those who aren't being "completely truthful"? Maaaaaybe when we've got 10 years worth of it (from the initial alleged pursuit of one man/group) and countless amount of soldier's and innocent people's lives alike destroyed and/or altered forever in so many different ways we can't even comprehend it, especially when factoring in what their future is or what happens to their families, that maybe just MAYBE there is some information we really ought to know about things that weren't "completely truthful" all those years ago? Think maybe that's reason enough? Think maybe it's simply the humane thing to do instead of pretending you're doing the humane thing by not wanting to know what's really the truth?
If not, what it's going to take? What's it going to take for us to be allowed this "hallowed right" of being able to question and to be able to demand things that WE NEED TO KNOW on something that's making as big an impact on people's lives as this War on Terror is without being seen as crazy? Another 50,000 dead to get us up to around the KIA count like in (another war fought on false pretenses) Vietnam? Is there a magic number that's counting down that we have to wait for? 5 years from now? Another 10? More? You tell me, what will it take?
I want to applaud you on this well thought out reply, it was very impressive, yet some how I feel I have read alot of this before, just worded differently, from a different time period.
I made two statements, every gov't or person of authority (including Mommy and Daddy, to protect their child) lies, and that there really are things out there that dont need public dissemination. It's funny how you want to jump on the second half of my statement and turn it once again into an anti-war/anti-govt diareaha of the mouth session. The only thing I said to you in recent history, because I was aksed to quit making comments about a certain persons posts, because it was obvious our views differed, was a semi rheotrical question, and yes a childish jab at you with the Conspiracy Theory reference. The second part I really was talking more about how information is gathered, various technologies used, research and development of weapons, tactics so on and so forth, and yes even some things that could very easliy have put this country into another armed conflict.
I made a comment to something Pete said, something I know to be not completely truthful, to which him and I are still poking at, and actually able to have fun with it as we do. Yet you again want to turn it into, as I said before,an anti-war/anti-govt diatribe with the same lines I listened to as a kid my sons age when I was out and about with my Mom, while my Dad was overseas participating in VietNam.
One thing I want to get straight with you right now, BOY, dont ever dare to ask me if I understand what the consequences are for the Gov'ts actions or "lies" or what it means to sacrifce anything. It's easy for you to sit there and spout your question everything rhetoric, when you've never left home. You've got every right as an American Citizen to do so, but till you've gotten off your ass and gone out there and seen the real world, and been a part of it, like Pete has, or I have, don't presume to think I or we dont understand the consequences.