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Well then, you can sit there and field crap offers. Thats why guys are untouchable, you don't think about dealing your franchise player.
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I would maybe kill myself if that happened.
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Don't even bother, you think Bulls management would think about trading Rose for anyone outside of maybe 3 player.
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i did. i think melo is up there with lebron and wade. I'm not sure if rose will ever make that leap, so i'm certainly open to entertain the possibility.
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All I'm saying to you, Stig, is trading Noah and Deng for Melo has some potential financial consequences. And, those aside, you would lose some depth at the C position (we all know that Thomas is our back-up, and the best available guy out there is Erick Dampier?). Also, by January, Denver is going to be desperate to move 'Melo. Deng+Gibson+Johnson+picks may easily look better than Favors+Kirilenko+picks.
If the Bulls give themselves a chance to have Noah and Anthony on the same roster, they would be, at least, be giving the team a chance to fight for a championship. Anything less, and they won't realistically get past Miami unless LeBron James get assassinated or injured (God-forbid).
If the Bulls give themselves a chance to have Noah and Anthony on the same roster, they would be, at least, be giving the team a chance to fight for a championship. Anything less, and they won't realistically get past Miami unless LeBron James get assassinated or injured (God-forbid).
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here's level one:
1) James, a lil ways later you have Durant, Wade, and Bryant
here's level two:
Howard and Paul at the top, then 'Melo, then a whole bunch of other guys..like Deron and Roy.
level three:
Derrick Rose, and probably even more guys than level two.
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durant sucked in the playoffs against the lakers. melo more than brought it againast them.
frankly i'd argue that it's more similiar to this
1. wade, lebron
2. bryant melo
3. howard durant
4. roy, rose etc.
thankfully rating stars is almost never an objective science.
frankly i'd argue that it's more similiar to this
1. wade, lebron
2. bryant melo
3. howard durant
4. roy, rose etc.
thankfully rating stars is almost never an objective science.
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'Melo wasn't guarded by Ron Artest in the 2009 WCF.
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you really think that ron artest on one leg mattered that much? he's lost a stop, and he's not bringing it on offense.
durant wasn't defended by a HEALTHY bynum and gasol.
front court defense is what matters. a 30 year old artest that's lost all the athleticism due to age and injury? plus a broken version of bynum?
melo faced far more adversity.
durant wasn't defended by a HEALTHY bynum and gasol.
front court defense is what matters. a 30 year old artest that's lost all the athleticism due to age and injury? plus a broken version of bynum?
melo faced far more adversity.
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Financially, Deng and Noah will make a little more than Melo. Only this year will they be equal. Noah is gonna get a big payday and Deng already has. I'd have no problem giving up Noah, I just don't want to lose out on a star like we normally do. Favors, Kirlinko and picks is much better. AK expires, Favors has so much more upside than Taj and their picks would be better than ours. A team with Rose, Noah, Boozer and Melo is gonna do a lot better than Melo, Lopez and Shooters. There is no way it looks better. Melo is holding out to get here, which is our chance. But a bad contract, borderline starter and very late first and the bobcats pick is a pretty bad return. Deng might be a bad contract on a decent player but no rebuilding team wants him. Denver doesn't even want Harris, who has been an allstar. They want an expiring AK over him.
They might but more likely than not, they will fail in the trade like they normally do. We are real big homers when it comes to trades.
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What? Where are you getting this? How many times does it need to be pointed out to you that the Bulls would be better off financially with Melo (and less Noah and Deng) than without? Why do you continue to just make stuff up to fit your arguments?
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And do you really think Ariza mattered much? Artest is far and away the better defender of those two. And I hope you understand that you are putting 'Melo over Durant souly based on how they they played against the Lakers, in 2 different seasons. Believe what you want, but I just don't agree with it.
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yeah. i have no idea how you don't see that anything with favors trumps our offer of noah and deng plus draft picks. favors is fairly unproven. We have no idea what to expect from him. plus his upside is relatively high. both deng and noah have little to no potential to improve, and neither is an allstar.
plus if you think about it, the east is top heavy. the bottom of the east, anyone can get to 8th/7th spot. With that in mind, it's easy to see the bobcats pick being in our possession 1 year from now.
plus if you think about it, the east is top heavy. the bottom of the east, anyone can get to 8th/7th spot. With that in mind, it's easy to see the bobcats pick being in our possession 1 year from now.
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It's not making anything up. You have already said yourself that you don't know whether the Bulls will overpay Noah or not. And if they can negotiate a fair price for Noah, I want him on the Bulls.
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ariza is a much better defender than artest. are you kidding?
artest is a relic of his former self. he bring absolutely nothing on the offensive end, so you dont have to waste much energy there. On the defensive end he brings as much as a plus 30 defender that's lost a step, weighs 240lbs can bring.
did i mention ariza is longer and more athletic?
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Financially, Chicago is screwed if we pay 'Melo the max. Even if Chicago had a line-up of Nene-Boozer-Melo-Brewer-Rose, Miami would still likely rock them. But a more realistic line-up is Dampier-Boozer-Melo-Brewer-Rose. The Bulls can find a 3rd and 4th team as well to try to make the trade work.
And the Bulls aren't trying to impress Melo. They are trying to impress Denver. Melo has no control over where he goes. No matter what deal the Bulls offer for Melo, Melo is going to know that the team he has the best chance of winning with is the Bulls - so that is a non-issue.
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yeah i don't understand it. paxson left. how can we still over value our talent?
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No, I didn't. In going through the Bulls' payroll for the next 4 years, I assumed Noah agreed to a flat $10 million per salary, which completely under-shoots everything we've heard about what Noah has been offered and what he wants. The improbability of the Bulls signing Noah to a deal that would put the org in a better spot financially (we're talking $5-7 million per, here, as that is what it would take) is so high that it is totally erroneous for you to say or imply that it is even possible for things to turn out in your favor. This team is screwed in two years anyway when they have to pay Rose, but without Deng and Noah (and, yes, even with a max extension for Melo), they are closer to the cap by a huge margin than if they kept Noah and Deng. You grasping at straws is really getting funny.
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melo has complete control over where he goes. if he doesn't sign the extension, no one will sign him. you're delusional if you believe otherwise.
otherwise the best you could do for melo is the egregious contracts of arenas and brand.
otherwise the best you could do for melo is the egregious contracts of arenas and brand.
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