5th Best Pen in MLB so far

[Jntg4]

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Looking good, especially since some of the teams ahead of us are in pitchers parks like Petco that help them quite a bit.

Big improvement over the past few years.

 

[AE23]

Mateo, hes good

 

[Shawon0Meter]

Even Samardzija hasn't given up a run in 13 innings....not sure what clicked there but I like it

 

[Jntg4]

Even Samardzija hasn't given up a run in 13 innings....not sure what clicked there but I like it

He just mastered his elusive control.

 

[Capt. Serious]

Mateo, hes good

A guy that has an ERA of 5.93 & opp batting AVG of .333

 

[Captain Obvious]

Yeah! Let's use one very flawed stat to say that we have the 5th best bullpen! Where is dewey telling you that you're cherry picking stats?

 

[Jntg4]

Yeah! Let's use one very flawed stat to say that we have the 5th best bullpen! Where is dewey telling you that you're cherry picking stats?

"Best" was just shorter than "least runs given up".

 

[Captain Obvious]

"Best" was just shorter than "least runs given up".

That's not even true.

 

[Jntg4]

That's not even true.

"Least Runs Per Nine Innings Given Up", you know what I meant.

And not the least, before you say that, just replace "best" with this and keep the "5th", and the "in the MLB".

 

[AddisonStation]

"Least Runs Per Nine Innings Given Up", you know what I meant.

And not the least, before you say that, just replace "best" with this and keep the "5th", and the "in the MLB".

 

[poodski]

I would put them at 5th so far. Been a nice surprise. Especially Shark.

 

[Tyler Juranovich]

5th best bullpen? I think you guys are just trying to find anything to make yourself feel better about the Cubs.

The only anything fan truly cares about is winning, and the Cubs are below .500 when it comes to that.

 

[poodski]

5th best bullpen? I think you guys are just trying to find anything to make yourself feel better about the Cubs.

The only anything fan truly cares about is winning, and the Cubs are below .500 when it comes to that.

Well that's not true. As a fan you have to look at all aspects and if the Cubs are loosing then look at some of the bright sides. One of the bright sides right now is the pen.

Our hitting has been pretty good too sitting at 6th in OPS.

Two main issues with our team has been starting pitching (which is understandable considering we have basically only had two decent starters all year), and clutch hitting. Turn those around and this team has a shot.

Starters should definitely turn around now that Dempster doesnt look like garbage and if we ever get Wells and Cashner back.

There are bright spots to this team and reason to be hopeful for the rest of the season.

 

[Tyler Juranovich]

Well that's not true. As a fan you have to look at all aspects and if the Cubs are loosing then look at some of the bright sides. One of the bright sides right now is the pen.

Our hitting has been pretty good too sitting at 6th in OPS.

Two main issues with our team has been starting pitching (which is understandable considering we have basically only had two decent starters all year), and clutch hitting. Turn those around and this team has a shot.

Starters should definitely turn around now that Dempster doesnt look like garbage and if we ever get Wells and Cashner back.

There are bright spots to this team and reason to be hopeful for the rest of the season.

The two most important aspects of baseball, and the Cubs have been failing at it since 2003. Every year fans are optimistic. What they really need is a change in the front office. They're terrible. They can't draft or develop a farm system for their life. And most free agent signing are busts.

The Cubs don't need a Soriano or Pena-type player. They need players that can get hits and find ways to get on base. They haven't been able to do that for years.

 

[poodski]

The two most important aspects of baseball, and the Cubs have been failing at it since 2003.

Well since 2003 the Cubs Starters have the 3rd best ERA in the NL (.03 behind the first place Braves) and have the highest WAR of anyone. If there is one thing the Cubs have not failed at its starting pitching. They have been near the top nearly every year. Cubs starting pitching has been a huge bright spot to this team for quite a long time.

In terms of clutch hitting you are absolutely correct. The Cubs have been the least clutch team since 2003, and that is an issue of is it actually a character aspect of the team or is it just horrible luck for 8 years.

Every year fans are optimistic.

I mean they should be. This team hasn't been that bad, and every year fans should be optimistic about their team.

What they really need is a change in the front office. They're terrible. They can't draft or develop a farm system for their life. And most free agent signing are busts.

Eh we will see. It's probably time for Hendry to go. Regardless of whether he has really been that bad or not its probably good for a change of scenery.

As far as drafting though the Cubs have really turned that around. Had we not traded for Garza this was a top ten system. Wilken has really turned things around and our farm is actually a positive thing now and we are starting to see more players from the farm contribute to this team.

The Cubs don't need a Soriano or Pena-type player. They need players that can get hits and find ways to get on base. They haven't been able to do that for years.

Soriano was a huge reason the Cubs won two division titles. He has struggled, but he was very good. He's never going to get on base but he is going to hit for quite a bit of power, and thats something this team needs.

Pena is the type of player this team needs IMO. He does get on base he walks very very well and does something that this team hasn't had since well you tell me the last time we had a legit LH power bat. Henry Rodriguez?

I think Pena was what this team needed and still do. We have been so RH for so long that its become easy to pitch to us and that's why despite having some very good hitters we have been above average offensively one time since 1945.

 

[Tyler Juranovich]

Well since 2003 the Cubs Starters have the 3rd best ERA in the NL (.03 behind the first place Braves) and have the highest WAR of anyone. If there is one thing the Cubs have not failed at its starting pitching. They have been near the top nearly every year. Cubs starting pitching has been a huge bright spot to this team for quite a long time.

In terms of clutch hitting you are absolutely correct. The Cubs have been the least clutch team since 2003, and that is an issue of is it actually a character aspect of the team or is it just horrible luck for 8 years.



I mean they should be. This team hasn't been that bad, and every year fans should be optimistic about their team.



Eh we will see. It's probably time for Hendry to go. Regardless of whether he has really been that bad or not its probably good for a change of scenery.


As far as drafting though the Cubs have really turned that around. Had we not traded for Garza this was a top ten system. Wilken has really turned things around and our farm is actually a positive thing now and we are starting to see more players from the farm contribute to this team.

That;s my point. They get "good" players and then give them up for unproven players that don't do crap once the season starts Garza is 1-4 with a 4.43 ERA. He's doing great!



Soriano was a huge reason the Cubs won two division titles. He has struggled, but he was very good. He's never going to get on base but he is going to hit for quite a bit of power, and thats something this team needs.

Pena is the type of player this team needs IMO. He does get on base he walks very very well and does something that this team hasn't had since well you tell me the last time we had a legit LH power bat. Henry Rodriguez?

A "legit" power hitter?!!? Please. He's batting .198 with 3 home runs!

I think Pena was what this team needed and still do. We have been so RH for so long that its become easy to pitch to us and that's why despite having some very good hitters we have been above average offensively one time since 1945.

IT IS time for Hendry to go. Two straight 3 and out losses in the playoffs. No depth in the system. When's the last young player, besides Castro, that the Cubs can say were a success and that they still have? Having one good, young player that will most likely stay on the team does not make up for years without one.

That's my point. They get "good" players and then give them up for unproven players that don't do crap once the season starts Garza is 1-4 with a 4.43 ERA. He's doing great!

A "legit" power hitter?!!? Please. He's batting .198 with 3 home runs!


Yes, and bringing in a player that had one good year and bats way below the league average is actually what we need.

 

[Tyler Juranovich]

What the Cubs need is another Mark Grace. Great defensemen, hits for average and RBIs, and decent power.

That's exactly the type of players you need to win games and championships. Not one-dimesional, power hitters.

 

[AddisonStation]

IT IS time for Hendry to go. Two straight 3 and out losses in the playoffs. No depth in the system. When's the last young player, besides Castro, that the Cubs can say were a success and that they still have? Having one good, young player that will most likely stay on the team does not make up for years without one.

That's my point. They get "good" players and then give them up for unproven players that don't do crap once the season starts Garza is 1-4 with a 4.43 ERA. He's doing great!

A "legit" power hitter?!!? Please. He's batting .198 with 3 home runs!


Yes, and bringing in a player that had one good year and bats way below the league average is actually what we need.

How is Garza unproven? He's been in the majors since 2006. Also, please don't throw his W-L record at me. He's pitched well enough to win in almost all of his starts.

Pena is a legit power hitter. How can you possibly dispute that? And one good year? Pena has had more than one good year. And please stop ignoring the fact that he has drawn the second most walks on the team behind Fuk.

Pena had a bad month but it looks like he is really starting to turn it around.

 

[AddisonStation]

What the Cubs need is another Mark Grace. Great defensemen, hits for average and RBIs, and decent power.

That's exactly the type of players you need to win games and championships. Not one-dimesional, power hitters.

How many championships did Grace win with the Cubs?

 

[Captain Obvious]

IT IS time for Hendry to go. Two straight 3 and out losses in the playoffs. No depth in the system. When's the last young player, besides Castro, that the Cubs can say were a success and that they still have? Having one good, young player that will most likely stay on the team does not make up for years without one.

That's my point. They get "good" players and then give them up for unproven players that don't do crap once the season starts Garza is 1-4 with a 4.43 ERA. He's doing great!

A "legit" power hitter?!!? Please. He's batting .198 with 3 home runs!


Yes, and bringing in a player that had one good year and bats way below the league average is actually what we need.

Geovany Soto, Kerry Wood, Carlos Zambrano, Tyler Colvin, Darwin Barney, Carlos Marmol, Sean Marshall, Andrew Cashner. All came through the Cubs system. Soto, Wood, Z, Marmol, and Sean Marshall all have had extended success.

Yeah, Matt Garza and his 1.57 FIP(2), 11.69 K/9(1), .2 HR/9(6), 2.05 xFIP(1), and 4.46 K/BB(6) have really sucked. Totally man. This is all while he has had a .388 BABIP, the highest of any starter. Not to mention, he's also in the top 10 in tERA. So yeah, he really sucks.

Hmmm... since when does Batting Average have anything to do with power? And using just HRs to evaluate power? Nice. Because HRs are the only form of power.