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Even today people hard foul Blake. Guys have tried that. That doesn't change the fact that he's just a superior athlete with more skills than over 90% of PFs today and back in the 90s as well.
 

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To prove that the 90's was the most competitive era in NBA history, and the Bulls triumphed 6 times? That's basically the entire argument. I'm not sure how its possible to NOT see its relevance. You claim the Bulls beat modest teams and went 6 games a couple times. Look at NBA history. The Bulls dominated the best of the best. In their 6 years of titles, encompassing 24 playoff series, they were forced to a game 7 only TWICE, and won both times by a combined margin of 34 points. In a weird way, these points of Bulls dominance is your entire argument AGAINST the Bulls.

You're building a man with straw, my friend. If you really listened to or read what I've been saying, I've said that the Bulls would reign supreme anytime, anywhere. But part of the evaluation is being objective. They did beat some modest teams as well. The 8th seeded Knick team was barely .500. The Bullets were like a low 40 win team. Some of the Heat, Hornets, and Hawks team were the definition of "meh." They beat some of the best, and they beat some of the bottom dwellers as all number 1 seeds do. The point is, no one has done even a decent job of convincing me why the Warriors wouldn't be able to take them to 6-7 games either. GS would be near the top of the toughest teams the Bulls would have faced. So far I've heard "Dennis Rodman would injure Curry" and similar ignorant arguments. The most valid argument I've heard is that the Bulls combination of MJ, Pip, and Harper would wear down Curry over 7 games and I was the one who mentioned it. Not that I'm the only one who realized this. That said, Curry would still make his usual ridiculous shots and would wear down whoever is guarding him by running off of screens. Not to mention, the man is as smart and as highly skilled a passer as they come. If you slow down Curry, you still have to guard a team full of high IQ, talented, fundamentally sound, and unselfish players.
 

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Of course they did. Its kind of hard to participate in 24 playoff series in 6 years and not encounter an 8 seed when you are a 1 seed every year. That's more of a reality of the NBA playoff structure than any "black mark" against the Bulls. You even allow this later on in your post...so why even bother on commenting? I'm not sure how winning 6 titles in the most competitive era of NBA history can be called "irrelevant", but you 'pointing out' that the Bulls beat some mediocre #8 seeds along the way is somehow pertinent to this Bulls vs. Warriors conversation.

I have no problem in thinking that the Warriors would take the Bulls to 6 or 7 games. Who knows? I'm just not understanding your reasoning as to why that would happen.

My reasoning is simple. I think GS is a better team than most of the teams the Bulls ever faced. They never seen anyone like Steph Curry and I don't believe they ever faced a team so dominant both offensively and defensively. Nor have they faced a team as deep with as much talent, intelligence, and unselfishness.

And again, you're straw manning all over the place. I never said winning 6 titles was "irrelevant." Lol...I said just because they beat teams that were the best teams out of their respective team histories is irrelevant. Which it is. Just because that Suns team was the best in Phoenix's history doesn't make them better than GS.
 

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Why is it irrelevant? It shows how competitive the 90's were. And the Bulls never had an easy opponent in the Finals. 92 Blazers were a #1 seed. 93 Suns were a #1 seed. 96 Sonics were a #1 seed. 97 Jazz were a #1 seed. 98 Jazz were a #1 seed. The only team that wasn't a 1 seed was the 91 Lakers who were a 3 seed, and the Bulls beat them in 5.

So, winning 6 titles in the most competitive era and beating 5 #1 seeds in the process is comparable to Golden State winning 1 title over an injury-hobbled #2 seeded Cavs team that won 53 games in the regular season. Got it!

BTW, my favorite manning is Danny, not straw or eli.

I see the point you're trying to make. The teams GS had to go through last season weren't overly impressive, sure. Either way, this current GS team is a much better team than last year. They're also going to have to go through some tougher teams this season like SA and OKC. This years Cleveland team is probably better than last seasons too.

I think this years GS team could most definitely beat the 91 Lakers. No question. I would favor them also against the 97 and 98 Jazz team. The 92 Blazers, 93 Suns, and 96 Sonics I'm not so sure about. It's not like any of us could know the outcomes with any certainty. I just think this years team would give the Bulls a run for their money. As I said before, Bulls in 6 games would be my guess.
 

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So what if he gets fouled hard? He can foul them right back just as hard. Not every modern player is a marshmallow.

IMO blake is a bit of a marshmallow. its not that he cant "physically" take a beating. its more the mental aspect of it. back then it was expected that when you went in the paint you were going to "earn" it. today, that's simply not the case and when you do get fouled hard it ends up being a flagrant. the mentality of basketball players today is different. so yes, I do think the rules would determine a lot of this. I still think that knicks team wins a 7 game series against todays clippers. of course, like all of this we will never know...but its fun to talk about nonetheless
 

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I see the point you're trying to make. The teams GS had to go through last season weren't overly impressive, sure. Either way, this current GS team is a much better team than last year. They're also going to have to go through some tougher teams this season like SA and OKC. This years Cleveland team is probably better than last seasons too.

I think this years GS team could most definitely beat the 91 Lakers. No question. I would favor them also against the 97 and 98 Jazz team. The 92 Blazers, 93 Suns, and 96 Sonics I'm not so sure about. It's not like any of us could know the outcomes with any certainty. I just think this years team would give the Bulls a run for their money. As I said before, Bulls in 6 games would be my guess.

we said that last year also and yet, GS and SA never met. granted, that's not GS's fault, but just pointing out theres no guarantee they play eachother in the playoffs
 

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Why is it irrelevant? It shows how competitive the 90's were. And the Bulls never had an easy opponent in the Finals. 92 Blazers were a #1 seed. 93 Suns were a #1 seed. 96 Sonics were a #1 seed. 97 Jazz were a #1 seed. 98 Jazz were a #1 seed. The only team that wasn't a 1 seed was the 91 Lakers who were a 3 seed, and the Bulls beat them in 5.

So, winning 6 titles in the most competitive era and beating 5 #1 seeds in the process is comparable to Golden State winning 1 title over an injury-hobbled #2 seeded Cavs team that won 53 games in the regular season. Got it!

BTW, my favorite manning is Danny, not straw or eli.
You need the Showtime Lakers to get Enasic excited about beating them.
 

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we said that last year also and yet, GS and SA never met. granted, that's not GS's fault, but just pointing out theres no guarantee they play eachother in the playoffs

True. They should Face one of SA and OKC though.
 

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True. They should Face one of SA and OKC though.

yes, they should lol I don't see OKC as much of a threat though to GS. IMO the only team that can stop GS possibly is SA
 

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yes, they should lol I don't see OKC as much of a threat though to GS. IMO the only team that can stop GS possibly is SA
I know regular season means nothing and all, but I just find it funny that OKC was the team that took them to the edge and SA was the team they blew out.

Imo they both have a shot. Durant and Westbrook are just monsters.
 

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I know regular season means nothing and all, but I just find it funny that OKC was the team that took them to the edge and SA was the team they blew out.

Imo they both have a shot. Durant and Westbrook are just monsters.

westbrook is overrated to me. all the talent in the world, just doesn't know how to use it quite right. SA doesn't care about the reg season. hell, knowing Pop it could be a rope a dope type play....let GS think they are a good bit better than SA, get them feeling some type of way ya dig?
 

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westbrook is overrated to me. all the talent in the world, just doesn't know how to use it quite right. SA doesn't care about the reg season. hell, knowing Pop it could be a rope a dope type play....let GS think they are a good bit better than SA, get them feeling some type of way ya dig?
Westbrook nearly averages a triple double right now, what more do you want? I mean he could do a few things better, but it's getting nitpicky at that point to me.

SA, I can definitely see playing that mind game. I think I even said so when they played because Duncan was out...Pop wasn't gonna show his full hand.

Again regular season don't mean anything, but it's just funny how those games turned out considering the opinion.
 

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westbrook is overrated to me. all the talent in the world, just doesn't know how to use it quite right. SA doesn't care about the reg season. hell, knowing Pop it could be a rope a dope type play....let GS think they are a good bit better than SA, get them feeling some type of way ya dig?

:aj:

Again, OKC has the best chance of any team to take down GS.
 

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I know regular season means nothing and all, but I just find it funny that OKC was the team that took them to the edge and SA was the team they blew out.

Imo they both have a shot. Durant and Westbrook are just monsters.

The thing is that the Spurs KNOW how to win championship while the THunder do not. Pop is the best coach in the NBA and he will have his men ready to play. They may get beat by the Warriors but I wouldn't bet the ranch against the Spurs. They are a better team this year than last year. I normally don't watch NBA games unless the Bulls are playing but I will love if the Spurs meet GS
 

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This entire conversation will be irrelevant if the Warriors don't win the title...at that point it will be fun to discuss what a small ball Finals would look like with the second three peat Bulls versus the Warriors. Harper-Jordan-Pippen-Kukoc-Rodman vs Curry-Thompson-Green-Barnes-Bogut lineups.

What era's rules do we use? How much do the first three peat Bulls come into the convo(Keep in mind Jordan always felt that 91-92 team was the best Bulls team)

In general though, I have no idea what kind of point Enasic is trying to make.
 

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Westbrook nearly averages a triple double right now, what more do you want? I mean he could do a few things better, but it's getting nitpicky at that point to me.

SA, I can definitely see playing that mind game. I think I even said so when they played because Duncan was out...Pop wasn't gonna show his full hand.

Again regular season don't mean anything, but it's just funny how those games turned out considering the opinion.

and yet, last season for example when Durant went down, westbrook and his triple double a game couldn't get the thunder into the playoffs. he doesn't play winning basketball IMO. extremely talented no doubt, and I knew everyone would react this way to me saying he is overrated, but I stand by it
 

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Again, OKC has the best chance of any team to take down GS.

agree to disagree. to me, SA is clear head and shoulders above OKC
 

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and yet, last season for example when Durant went down, westbrook and his triple double a game couldn't get the thunder into the playoffs. he doesn't play winning basketball IMO. extremely talented no doubt, and I knew everyone would react this way to me saying he is overrated, but I stand by it

LOL Westbrook nearly single handedly drags OKC to the playoffs in the Western Conference and they miss it because of what ended up being a miraculous heave by Anthony Davis and Westbrook "doesn't play winning basketball"? So the difference between Westbrook playing "winning basketball" or not is a banked in three pointer at the buzzer by an opposing power forward?

Do you even realize how stupid you sound right now?

OKC wasn't losing games because of Westbrook last season 99.9% of the time. OKC missed the playoffs last year because Westbrook himself missed 15 games early in the season(if Westbrook is good for even 1 win in those 15 games the Thunder are in the playoffs...) and Durant and Ibaka combined to miss another 71 games between them....and they missed those games in a loaded W estern Conf. If OKC was in the East they would have been a game out of the 5 seed(they were 45-37 BTW..a winning record....weird). So again, your entire premise for Westbrook not "playing winning basketball" is Anthony Davis banking in a three pointer and he was in the wrong conference.

This is Rami circa 2011 levels of idiocy.
 

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LOL Westbrook nearly single handedly drags OKC to the playoffs in the Western Conference and they miss it because of what ended up being a miraculous heave by Anthony Davis and Westbrook "doesn't play winning basketball"? So the difference between Westbrook playing "winning basketball" or not is a banked in three pointer at the buzzer by an opposing power forward?

Do you even realize how stupid you sound right now?

OKC wasn't losing games because of Westbrook last season 99.9% of the time. OKC missed the playoffs last year because Westbrook himself missed 15 games early in the season(if Westbrook is good for even 1 win in those 15 games the Thunder are in the playoffs...) and Durant and Ibaka combined to miss another 71 games between them....and they missed those games in a loaded W estern Conf. If OKC was in the East they would have been a game out of the 5 seed(they were 45-37 BTW..a winning record....weird). So again, your entire premise for Westbrook not "playing winning basketball" is Anthony Davis banking in a three pointer and he was in the wrong conference.

This is Rami circa 2011 levels of idiocy.

no, that's YOUR premise. not mine. OKC didn't make or miss the playoffs based off of one play at the end of their last game of the season. they could have won numerous other games throughout the season, but didn't. again, I knew there would be someone who would try to crucify me over saying I don't like westbrook as a player. I don't think he will ever win a ring. I guess this all makes me an idiot though....are you a trump supporter by chance? sound like one with your willingness to attack someone simply based off of them having a different opinion than you. grow up. generally, I tend to agree with many of your posts on here, however, the ones I disagree with I don't all of a sudden start calling you names to make myself somehow feel more "correct" on the subject
 

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