[A] Dead Locked: CHI 2, VAN 3

[sth]

Its going to be very interesting to see what the return the fucks will get with schnieder if they do deal him. We can say bad shit about that org but they have handled schnieder very well. He's a good young goalie and what ever team habs him will be very happy down the road. But i don't think the return is going to be as high as many nuck fans think. Its not going to be a Perry type player that was rumored.



We will see though. Again if i were Edmonton i would over pay for him if the canucks had the balls to deal with a division rival. Tampa new jersey and even the caps should inquire.

I would try to get rid of Lou somehow. I know his contract is ridiculous. But maybe they could dump Lou on some desperate team. I hate to give the Canucks advice but Schneider is much better than Lou. He should get the chance to have the net come playoff time. I hope they do trade Schneider.

 

[PatrickShart]

Actually...that picture shows Bolland as being the one covering the slot and Kane the point guy with the puck being on his side of the net. Bolland's arrow goes to nobody, since Salo - his point man - is in the near corner.

 

[the canadian dream]

Like you said he's just to expensive for the cap world. It's not so much the $$ with Lou as it is the length of his contract. Easier and more reasonable to look at dealing Schnieder even if he is the better goalie (which I agree). If they even decide to and don't just keep him for the playoffs as a great back up and alternative to Lou if he has a melt down again.



But I think they trade him by the deadline and get something in return (which will have to include another back up goalie cause the Canucks don't have another down the pipe at the moment. So I could see Tampa dealing for him and including Roloson somewhere in there. He's actually the perfect fit for Edmonton but Vancouver won't deal him there unless the return was really good. Oilers are a young goalie away from a really productive future.



I think last night wasn't only a play Schnieder because he's a good goalie and we would rather have hot head Lou on the bench game but also a showcase game. And boy did he showcase himself. It would be interesting to know what scouts were in the audience last night because I can assure you there were some.

 

[sth]

Like you said he's just to expensive for the cap world. It's not so much the $$ with Lou as it is the length of his contract. Easier and more reasonable to look at dealing Schnieder even if he is the better goalie (which I agree). If they even decide to and don't just keep him for the playoffs as a great back up and alternative to Lou if he has a melt down again. But I think they trade him by the deadline and get something in return (which will have to include another back up goalie cause the Canucks don't have another down the pipe at the moment. So I could see Tampa dealing for him and including Roloson somewhere in there. He's actually the perfect fit for Edmonton but Vancouver won't deal him there unless the return was really good. Oilers are a young goalie away from a really productive future. I think last night wasn't only a play Schnieder because he's a good goalie and we would rather have hot head Lou on the bench game but also a showcase game. And boy did he showcase himself. It would be interesting to know what scouts were in the audience last night because I can assure you there were some.

I hope they do trade Schneider. Because it would double down the pressure on Lou. Especially if they don't get a strong backup. Then he would really have no net.

 

[R K]

Actually...that picture shows Bolland as being the one covering the slot and Kane the point guy with the puck being on his side of the net. Bolland's arrow goes to nobody, since Salo - his point man - is in the near corner.

I was just amazed he had all that time to break down the play but no time to find a picture with #88 wearing the "A".



Nice recap though the arrows were throwing me off.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

Actually...that picture shows Bolland as being the one covering the slot and Kane the point guy with the puck being on his side of the net. Bolland's arrow goes to nobody, since Salo - his point man - is in the near corner.

Seabs takes the guy in the corner as he comes down low. Bolland, if you watch the replay, is in position to take away the passing lane from the point man. Kane is on Daniel. Keith is on Henrik.



Daniel is Kane's guy until Bolland picks him up. Kane didn't stick with him and for some unknown reason, left him alone in front of the net. Can't say he thought Keith was going to take him because Keith is obviously dealing with Henrik. Bolland was playing the other D and then started shifting to the slot but it was too late. He's not supposed to watch Daniel as Daniel was on Kane's side.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

I was just amazed he had all that time to break down the play but no time to find a picture with #88 wearing the "A".



Nice recap though the arrows were throwing me off.

Why do you drag the #88 picture on and on? That was over two weeks ago.



I don't understand the reason to keep bringing it up.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

Actually...that picture shows Bolland as being the one covering the slot and Kane the point guy with the puck being on his side of the net. Bolland's arrow goes to nobody, since Salo - his point man - is in the near corner.

Also, the other D was right about Bolland out of the picture.

 

[PatrickShart]

So Salo...who creeped in...was to be covered by what forward? I would think him sneaking in/going low...would have been Bolland's point, which would allow Dave to cover the slot as the off forward, while Kane's to stay between his Dman and the net while collapsing low. But maybe Salo was Kane's point guy to cover and he should have collapsed more then.



Just seeing Salo in the low left corner left me to assume, being on Bolland side...he then should have been able to collapse on Sedin. I guess Kane should have switched then

 

[PatrickShart]

In reality, I don't think the coverage was bad at all. It was a nice pass that I think if anyone, Crawford has to get his stick on and not let through the crease

 

[Shantz My Pants]

So Salo...who creeped in...was to be covered by what forward? I would think him sneaking in/going low...would have been Bolland's point, which would allow Dave to cover the slot as the off forward, while Kane's to stay between his Dman and the net while collapsing low. But maybe Salo was Kane's point guy to cover and he should have collapsed more then.



Just seeing Salo in the low left corner left me to assume, being on Bolland side...he then should have been able to collapse on Sedin. I guess Kane should have switched then

Its man on man.



Keith is on Henrik.

Seabs is watching far post/Salo and Henrik is moving in that direction. Bolland is low and cutting off potential passing lane of the point if Salo is to get the puck. Kane is to cover Daniel.



Regardless, Daniel should never have been left alone infront of the net with Keith's back to him. Good pass or not he was left wide open.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

Last post on this.



Henrik throws on the breaks, if the team is supposed to shift over playing this type of "box" defense, technically Kane is supposed to go to the middle and Bolland covers a point (which the other dman was there). Henrik throws on the breaks and with Kane not on Daniel and gives him a great feed wide open.

 

[R K]

I think it was a great play by two of the best point producers in the league. After 60 minutes of them being completely shut out.



It happens.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

I think it was a great play by two of the best point producers in the league. After 60 minutes of them being completely shut out.



It happens.

I will agree with that as well. I was just showing the breakdown on defense as it could have been defended a tad better.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

Its bad enough they played that way in OT... sadly that's how they played the whole game.



IN REGULATION:



You CANNOT play 4-low in the NHL... YOU CANNOT.



Wingers need to be near the top of the circles guarding the points while the center is mid or low depending on the opposing teams forwards' positioning.



NHL Defensemen are WAY TOO SKILLED AND POWERFUL to be left open no matter who they are... even John Scott shouldn't be given a WIDE OPEN shot when the other team's goalie is getting crowded by his own teammates.



I was so frustrated watching the game last night with how the Hawks were playing defense... it was so amateur. And there is only one man to blame... Q.



AND YES... I realize "that man" also won a Cup with the Hawks... I am just merely pointing out an observation. Not even going to argue semantics.

 

[Maiden]

Last post on this.



Henrik throws on the breaks, if the team is supposed to shift over playing this type of "box" defense, technically Kane is supposed to go to the middle and Bolland covers a point (which the other dman was there). Henrik throws on the breaks and with Kane not on Daniel and gives him a great feed wide open.

If Keith deflects that pass it is 2 on 1 the other way. You tend to gamble a tad more in OT with nothing to lose.

They made the play and they win; if we make a play and go back the other way maybe we win.

 

[the canadian dream]

It was 4 on 4 hockey and no one in the NHL utilizes the open ice like that than the Sedins. Say what you want about these guys as far as diving and whining goes at the end of the day they are skilled beyond belief. No one cycles like them and no one utilizes open ice like them. They do this to every team and every player.



Same box defense and defensive style that won the cup and led the Hawks to having one of the best defensive stats in the NHL that year. Same defensive system that Q used to take the Hawks to the conference final the year before that. It's not the coach. That's becoming a really annoying scape goat when the team loses a game or goes on bad streeks etc etc.



Q's fine and this team is good. Bowamn needs to make proper tweeks. We will see what sort of tweek Morrison is once he actually plays more than one game. We will see if he has anything else up his sleeves. If not this is still a cup contending team with the defensive system they play. The offense is still there and there always seems to be a gret energy with this team in the playoffs which counters some holes and gaffs.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

It was 4 on 4 hockey and no one in the NHL utilizes the open ice like that than the Sedins. Say what you want about these guys as far as diving and whining goes at the end of the day they are skilled beyond belief. No one cycles like them and no one utilizes open ice like them. They do this to every team and every player.



Same box defense and defensive style that won the cup and led the Hawks to having one of the best defensive stats in the NHL that year. Same defensive system that Q used to take the Hawks to the conference final the year before that. It's not the coach. That's becoming a really annoying scape goat when the team loses a game or goes on bad streeks etc etc.



Q's fine and this team is good. Bowamn needs to make proper tweeks. We will see what sort of tweek Morrison is once he actually plays more than one game. We will see if he has anything else up his sleeves. If not this is still a cup contending team with the defensive system they play. The offense is still there and there always seems to be a gret energy with this team in the playoffs which counters some holes and gaffs.

Not too sure about that... "box defense" should be used in CERTAIN situations... not EVERY situation like it was used against the Canucks.



And if you're going to play a box defense against the Nucks you need to play a wider box because the Nucks are just too damn good.



**** BOX DEFENSE.

 

[the canadian dream]

or it can be executed better.



Anyways that goal was comming right after Q lost his head on the bench for the missed slash on Stalberg. The entire team went into panic freak out mode after that and never regrouped. You could feel the goal coming.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

We still have a ton of games left. This game could of been better, and it could of been worse. Hopefully we learn and move on.