A few thoughts on improvements

[jc456]

Great analogy. What if Romo is better at moving in the pocket than Cutler, so Romo avoids the dreaded-yet-superfluous "QB Hurry" situation whereas Cutler makes it appear that Mills' man is (literally) always one step away from a sack or a QB hit?

I'm just amazed at how an outcome can be dependent on other people, but only at times and in ways that you want it to be.

What happens if you cross the international time line?

 

[jc456]

A QB hurry is when a pressure is given up without a sack or hit being recorded. Again, if you have a problem with it then take it up with the teams and stat companies that use it. You are arguing with me as if I created the statistic.

Tell you want, see below for some teams that use it. Feel free to go tell them your concerns.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/tag/_/name/quarterback-hurries

So the very first line in the article states:

Quarterback hurries, pressures, hits or whatever you want to call them are not an official NFL statistic.

 

[jc456]

A QB hurry has been defined as giving up pressure without giving up a hit or a sack. That is not my definition. That is the definition teams and people like PFF use.

A separate issue is how one avoids said pressure. You seem to be suggesting that all pockets and all stepping up in the pocket is the same as if you can't see on the field when a QB steps up while still in rhythm vs when he steps up because the T did a shitty job and his rhythm is disrupted by the pressure.

Quarterback hurries, pressures, hits or whatever you want to call them are not an official NFL statistic.

 

[remydat]

So the very first line in the article states:

Quarterback hurries, pressures, hits or whatever you want to call them are not an official NFL statistic.

No one said it was an official NFL statistic so not sure why you are making a big deal about it being official or not.

But I was browsing through the “season-in-review’’ packages of all four NFC South teams last night and noticed each team had something in, or close to, this category. Again, it’s not official and these numbers are calculated by assistant coaches after watching film.

It is clear that NFL assistant coaches track it after watching film and it is clear that stat services track it as well after watching film. You can choose to put as much weight into the numbers as you like but not sure what point you are trying to make here. Like do you think I am the guy deciding what a QB hurry is or not?

 

[remydat]

WHAT?

A closer who jammed the hitter but the hitter ended up blooping a single for the winning run technically pitched better than a closer who gave up a 405 foot fly ball that the OF jumped and saved from being the game winning home run. Is that a revolutionary concept that a closer can get the save despite pitching badly while another closer can get a blown save despite pitching well?

If you understand the above then not sure why it is such a revolutionary concept that a tackle can block poorly without it resulting in a sack. It's like you guys are pretending like everything that happens in the football game as it relates to pass blocking is captured by whether the result is a sack or not.

 

[airtime143]

I would be interested to see how it is broken up to the right and left.
my guess is the OT on the right will always have higher "hurry" numbers than the left.... that is the guy moving up directly in the QBs line of vision, and a passer that is looking deep will see that and adjust.

 

[remydat]

Interesting thought. In looking at PFF, here are the guys in the top 10 with respect to QB hurries

1. Justin Pugh RT
2. Jordan Mills RT
3. Lamar Holmes 3 games at LT and 2 at RT
4. Derek Newton RT
5. Williams Beatty LT
6. Jason Peters LT
7. Paul McQuistan LT
8. Bryant McKinnie LT
9. Lane Johnson RT
10. Jake Long LT

 

[botfly10]

 

[PrideisBears]

Interesting thought. In looking at PFF, here are the guys in the top 10 with respect to QB hurries

1. Justin Pugh RT
2. Jordan Mills RT
3. Lamar Holmes 3 games at LT and 2 at RT
4. Derek Newton RT
5. Williams Beatty LT
6. Jason Peters LT
7. Paul McQuistan LT
8. Bryant McKinnie LT
9. Lane Johnson RT
10. Jake Long LT

A fifth round rookie playing next to another rookie is giving up hurries? Oh the humanity

 

[botfly10]

cracker

 

[remydat]

A fifth round rookie playing next to another rookie is giving up hurries? Oh the humanity

Oh the humanity. How dare you sir? How dare you post numbers from a website about QB hurries?

It's information dude. You can do with it what you want but all this consternation because someone decided to provide the information is a bit amusing. I didn't realize being a rookie meant we were not allowed to post this information.

 

[airtime143]

Interesting thought. In looking at PFF, here are the guys in the top 10 with respect to QB hurries

1. Justin Pugh RT
2. Jordan Mills RT
3. Lamar Holmes 3 games at LT and 2 at RT
4. Derek Newton RT
5. Williams Beatty LT
6. Jason Peters LT
7. Paul McQuistan LT
8. Bryant McKinnie LT
9. Lane Johnson RT
10. Jake Long LT

So rights in the first 4 spots. I wonder if that will continue all year.

Sorry to keep asking for leg work, but one more request if they have it- Do they grade them out by team?
Seems to me that compiling these stats on a player by player basis will be misleading- the poorest of performers get replaced and therefore do not reach the top end of the numbers.

 

[BBQb]

Interesting thought. In looking at PFF, here are the guys in the top 10 with respect to QB hurries

1. Justin Pugh RT
2. Jordan Mills RT
3. Lamar Holmes 3 games at LT and 2 at RT
4. Derek Newton RT
5. Williams Beatty LT
6. Jason Peters LT
7. Paul McQuistan LT
8. Bryant McKinnie LT
9. Lane Johnson RT
10. Jake Long LT

I would think from a strategic stand point that most teams would game plan on getting after a rookie. So this doesn't really surprise me too much. So far I think Mills has played well considering the alternatives. Not a knock on anything, just my two cents.

 

[botfly10]

2nd in hurries but hasn't given up a single sack... smells fishy

 

[remydat]

I would think from a strategic stand point that most teams would game plan on getting after a rookie. So this doesn't really surprise me too much. So far I think Mills has played well considering the alternatives. Not a knock on anything, just my two cents.

I would agree he is the best option given the players on our team and fair point about teams getting after a rookie.

 

[remydat]

So rights in the first 4 spots. I wonder if that will continue all year.

Sorry to keep asking for leg work, but one more request if they have it- Do they grade them out by team?
Seems to me that compiling these stats on a player by player basis will be misleading- the poorest of performers get replaced and therefore do not reach the top end of the numbers.

Bears are 26th in pass blocking and 16th in run blocking per PFF.

 

[botfly10]

Its kinda weird remy is tryin to restart the 3 page fight he just had with rory

 

[jc456]

No one said it was an official NFL statistic so not sure why you are making a big deal about it being official or not.

But I was browsing through the “season-in-review’’ packages of all four NFC South teams last night and noticed each team had something in, or close to, this category. Again, it’s not official and these numbers are calculated by assistant coaches after watching film.

It is clear that NFL assistant coaches track it after watching film and it is clear that stat services track it as well after watching film. You can choose to put as much weight into the numbers as you like but not sure what point you are trying to make here. Like do you think I am the guy deciding what a QB hurry is or not?

First I could care less about a QB hurry. I don't know why you are obsessing over it. Second, the fact that it isn't a statistic tells me it is not valuable. Third, you're the one arguing or whatever about Mills and he has performed well and so for the record, what the heck are you looking for?

 

[jc456]

A closer who jammed the hitter but the hitter ended up blooping a single for the winning run technically pitched better than a closer who gave up a 405 foot fly ball that the OF jumped and saved from being the game winning home run. Is that a revolutionary concept that a closer can get the save despite pitching badly while another closer can get a blown save despite pitching well?

If you understand the above then not sure why it is such a revolutionary concept that a tackle can block poorly without it resulting in a sack. It's like you guys are pretending like everything that happens in the football game as it relates to pass blocking is captured by whether the result is a sack or not.

that entire post was asinine. You are a cokoo bird with what you're posting. Who the flip cares how a team got a win if they got a win. There may be so many variables that come into play that like I stated your entire post is asinine

 

[Doubledown]

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