[A] Hockey People Need Not Apply

[R K]

It was about 2011 thats why. This year the management moves have made a difference so far. man you dismiss everything. Pez you are the smartest guy you know. Sorry I get involved.

 

[Ton]

I think Dales plan was always to get Campbell so that part I totally dismiss. Huet on the other hand, hook, line and sinker. I could be wrong but think Dales plan all along was to have Niemi come back up Khabi. Instead Huet threw a huge wrench into the plans. The talk about Campbell was LONG before Bill passed away. That I know for fact.

The truth in that statement is only magnified by the fact that Tallon acquired Campbell while leaving Huet buried in Chicago despite his need for a goaltender.



Here's one thing to consider: while Campbell was pursued by Dale, he may have not been willing to sweeten his contract enough to poach him from ATL without McDonough's encouragement, so there may be truth in the fact that McD was a driving source in signing Campbell... without him Dale may have passed on that price. Which brings up another point, Dale was blamed for cap woes when in reality the marketing guy was the one who wanted the splash. Meanwhile, Huet was not in Tallon's cards at all.

 

[Pez68]

It was about 2011 thats why. This year the management moves have made a difference so far. man you dismiss everything. Pez you are the smartest guy you know. Sorry I get involved.

I dismiss it because it means absolutely nothing in the context of this argument. If fans want changes in management, culture, and a dedication to winning, then stop spending money on a team with greedy, inept management. It's a pretty simple concept that should be common sense, but is somehow lost on most fans in this city.



So, you renewing those season tickets for 2012-2013, or putting your money where your mouth is?

 

[R K]

I dismiss it because it means absolutely nothing in the context of this argument. If fans want changes in management, culture, and a dedication to winning, then stop spending money on a team with greedy, inept management. It's a pretty simple concept that should be common sense, but is somehow lost on most fans in this city.



So, you renewing those season tickets for 2012-2013, or putting your money where your mouth is?

I sold the entire year. you make a guess on that one. Am I going to all 44 games like I have the past 14 years, No. Infact I missed about 14 games this past year for the first time in over a decade.



as for where my mouth is, couldn't tell you anything anyway, you've been there, done that. yea.....

 

[R K]

The truth in that statement is only magnified by the fact that Tallon acquired Campbell while leaving Huet buried in Chicago despite his need for a goaltender.



Here's one thing to consider: while Campbell was pursued by Dale, he may have not been willing to sweeten his contract enough to poach him from ATL without McDonough's encouragement, so there may be truth in the fact that McD was a driving source in signing Campbell... without him Dale may have passed on that price. Which brings up another point, Dale was blamed for cap woes when in reality the marketing guy was the one who wanted the splash. Meanwhile, Huet was not in Tallon's cards at all.

In my opinion Campbell was comign Mcdonough or no Mcdonough and there was Cap Space left. Huet took care of the rest. I don't believe that was the plan but like Soriano someone wanted to spend it all to prove to the fans they would.



Kind of ironic as this past season they did NOT spend it all, unless you factor in the monies they were paying for two players to play elsewhere. Which is not what we were told, or led to believe as STH's. We were led to beleive they would spend to the Cap to improve the team, which is WHY those players were playing elsewhere. Guess not.

 

[dlrob315]

In my opinion Campbell was comign Mcdonough or no Mcdonough and there was Cap Space left. Huet took care of the rest. I don't believe that was the plan but like Soriano someone wanted to spend it all to prove to the fans they would.



Kind of ironic as this past season they did NOT spend it all, unless you factor in the monies they were paying for two players to play elsewhere. Which is not what we were told, or led to believe as STH's. We were led to beleive they would spend to the Cap to improve the team, which is WHY those players were playing elsewhere. Guess not.

$81m on salaries would have been pretty steep.

 

[Larmer83]

The truth in that statement is only magnified by the fact that Tallon acquired Campbell while leaving Huet buried in Chicago despite his need for a goaltender.



Here's one thing to consider: while Campbell was pursued by Dale, he may have not been willing to sweeten his contract enough to poach him from ATL without McDonough's encouragement, so there may be truth in the fact that McD was a driving source in signing Campbell... without him Dale may have passed on that price. Which brings up another point, Dale was blamed for cap woes when in reality the marketing guy was the one who wanted the splash. Meanwhile, Huet was not in Tallon's cards at all.

That's certainly possible that the marketing guy was the driving force.



Ton, is it possible for you to re-post the Keith article in which he talked about Tallon interviewing him pre-draft?

 

[R K]

$81m on salaries would have been pretty steep.

we are talking Salary Cap, not committed Monies. They were about 7 mil shy of the cap if I have the numbers correct. Contract or committed monies are different than Salary Cap and you know that. When you tell your STH base, who pay your Salary, you are going to spend to the Cap to win, they kind of expect you will. When you don't and clearly show you aren't then they question that. Least most I know do. Specially those of us taking the brunt of the ticket cost.

 

[dlrob315]

we are talking Salary Cap, not committed Monies. They were about 7 mil shy of the cap if I have the numbers correct. Contract or committed monies are different than Salary Cap and you know that. When you tell your STH base, who pay your Salary, you are going to spend to the Cap to win, they kind of expect you will. When you don't and clearly show you aren't then they question that. Least most I know do. Specially those of us taking the brunt of the ticket cost.

I know but if they had spent up to the cap that would have put the team to $81m in committed monies. I'm only guessing that Rocky needed an assurance of at least 7 to 8 home playoff games to make that added commitment and of course no GM can guarantee success.



Fool you once but certainly not twice..right?

 

[R K]

yea agree with that last statement. We've pretty much decided to watch from TV next year. Will hurt because I like seeing our friends, but that said, even from them, it's just not the same anymore. I suppose I have access to my tickets if I want and I'll go to a few games with friends, but a majority we will not be at. I'd rather spend money in Florida on Season Tickets now.

 

[JOVE23]

The Cubs averaged over 37,000 a game last season..... Fifth in the majors... That's a hard time selling tickets? The Bears have had a season ticket waiting list for how many years, now?

There were about 800,000 no shows last year

 

[Shoots_he_scores]

I haven't posted around here in a while due to some time constraints but this article is for sure good enough for me to blow that off. Awesome story Ton, really, if you could forward this to more read sites without fear of getting this place shut down you could really open some eyes.



I've got a good McDick story for you that I've told GeneFoley and PSR but don't think I've shared with anyone else. this one straight from Jim Cornelison.



So my mother has been a paralegal at a law office that does real estate for the last 15 years. Over that time her office has done quite a bit of work with Cornelison who is a real estate agent, and used to be a very active one before the national anthem stuff blew up. Over that time they've gotten to know each other pretty well and he's become a friend of the family, even offered to sing at my grandmothers funeral about 5 years ago.



Fast forward to October 30th 2009. Hawks were playing the Montreal Canadiens, I was in town for my cousins wedding the next night so my family got tickets to the game. We called Cornelison and met him for dinner before the game at Tufano's down by the UC (great restaurant btw).



We got to talking and suggested since Montreal was in time he should do the mixed french/english canadian national anthem. He then told me the story of how he learned the lyrics for the Winter Classic because he was originally supposed to sing both anthems but they found another person to sing it. The Winter Classic comes and goes and the hawks next home game was against Calgary on the following Sunday. So Cornelison decided that since he put the effort in to learn the French lyrics, he'd at least get one use and sang the English/French version.



Jim finishes singing and makes his way back to his seat where he enjoys the game. However, McD did not appreciate the Canadian anthem being sung in French, so as a result calls Cornelison into his office and proceeds to ban him from ever singing that version again.



Typical McDick move sticking his grinch nose where it shouldn't be.

 

[Variable]

Wonder if there is a video of that. Would love to hear the mixed French/English Canadien anthem yelled.

 

[CLWolf81]

Wow.... No kidding.... If Montreal were in town, their fans would appreciate that as a sign of respect. It seems that McDouche has no respect for hockey's roots either, it seems. I hope Rocky gets rid of him, but I doubt it will happen.



Frankly, I am not French by any means, but I'd rather it be sung with both French and English versions in it. Makes it far more universal in my eyes, and far more respectful.



Thanks for sharing that story, Shoots_He_Scores

 

[MassHavoc]

I don't think anyone here is surprised by that story unfortunately.

 

[klemmer]

I don't think anyone here is surprised by that story unfortunately.

Nope.

 

[klemmer]

Wow.... No kidding.... If Montreal were in town, their fans would appreciate that as a sign of respect. It seems that McDouche has no respect for hockey's roots either, it seems.

He had no idea what a puck was until a few years ago. Surprised he doesn't make the fans throw them back.

 

[IceHogsFan]

He had no idea what a puck was until a few years ago. Surprised he doesn't make the fans throw them back.

LOL



Awesomeness!

 

[MassHavoc]

LOL



Awesomeness!

You say that, till someone does it.... which I'd only be ok with if they aim it at the ref. But then we'd see the nice trend of nets enclosing the entire rink.

 

[Ton]

SHS, that story is just the epitome of all that is McD. Sticking his nose where it shouldn't be. Tell me, what harm does singing the Canadian anthem in French do? None. He is the reason this organization is no longer a hockey family.