ACLU Challenges Florida’s Mandatory Drug Tests For Housing

[JOVE23]

I just want to find a way do end the destructive ghetto culture. If that's racist, so be it.

 

[dlrob315]

I just want to find a way do end the destructive ghetto culture. If that's racist, so be it.

It is not racist, just a lack of better wording!



Me, as a black man support your statement!

 

[Larmer83]

Again, so how does that differentiate from a military member being tested?



I see it just like your opinion on private vs. public schooling. I do not see a difference. If a U.S. citizen wants to receive federal and state funded benefits provided by the tax payers then they should be required to agree to certain limitations. You call it a right that they not be "searched" for drugs whereas I see at as a stipulation of asking for those benefits. You don't want to be screened then you need not apply. That is your right to say no and by doing so you deny yourself said benefit.

It's differentiated by safety issues. Reasonable people can see the need for controlled substance testing for certain military members. I'm guessing that an office secretary at the DOD is not subject to testing.



Drivers of certain classifications of Commercial Motor Vehicles are subject to pre-employment drug testing and random drug and alcohol testing. It's a safety issue. Personnel not on the road might not be required to be tested.



If you have no problem testing individuals feeding at the public trough, what about corporations that have government contracts? Should the executives be subjected to testing? How about the account executive that closed the deal on the contract? As far as I see, rights commonly afforded to individuals are now being granted on an increasing basis to corporations. Well, in your world that door should swing both ways.



Slippery slope.

 

[mikita's helmet]

Slippery slope.

Exactly!



Once you decide that the Constitution doesn't protect certain folks. Watch out, you'll be next.

 

[R K]

Exactly!



Once you decide that the Constitution doesn't protect certain folks. Watch out, you'll be next.

Larmer hits the nail on the head as usual. You trample the Constitution where do you stop. You can't have it both ways and you can't be a Hypocrit about it.



Where public safety is involved I completely understand, while still not 100% agreeing with it. Schools, public aid, ect ect... **** off. Person = Urine and or hair...



Further more if you are going down that road you better damn well classify Alcohol as a narcotic. Because there are far to many alcoholics recieving public aid. See what I did there?

 

[IceHogsFan]

Larmer hits the nail on the head as usual. You trample the Constitution where do you stop. You can't have it both ways and you can't be a Hypocrit about it.



Where public safety is involved I completely understand, while still not 100% agreeing with it. Schools, public aid, ect ect... **** off. Person = Urine and or hair...



Further more if you are going down that road you better damn well classify Alcohol as a narcotic. Because there are far to many alcoholics recieving public aid. See what I did there?

Alcohol is not illegal.



The narcotics they are testing for are.

 

[mikita's helmet]

Alcohol is not illegal.

Regarding alcohol, I think sobriety road checks are unconstitutional, too. They use the excuse that they stop every 3rd or 5th car, but they still don't have probable cause to stop the 3rd driver or 5th driver.

 

[mikita's helmet]

Alcohol is not illegal.

Nor is being poor.



Here we have Luis Lebron, a Navy veteran who swore to uphold and defend the Constitution while defending our country. He's raising his son by himself, taking care of his elderly disabled mother, and is now asking for some assistance while he finishes up his education.



The state of Florida is not only asking this guy to violate the Constitution, the same Constitution he took an oath to defend while in the Navy, they also have the unmitigated gall to charge him $35 to do it. Apparently, the US Constitution doesn't mean jack shit to these Florida politicians.



This Navy veteran - refusing to violate the Constitution - is a patriot, the Florida politicians - happy to violate the Constitution they also swore to uphold - are scoundrels.





"I felt like, I served my country for four years; doesn’t that mean anything anymore?"

[Lebron] meets all the criteria for assistance but has refused to waive his Fourth Amendment rights against unreasonable search and seizure and submit to the newly required drug test.



“I served my country, I’m in school finishing my education and trying to take care of my son,” Lebron said. “It’s insulting and degrading that people think I’m using drugs just because I need a little help to take care of my family while I finish up my education.”



http://knightnews.co...are-drug-tests/



http://www.pogowasright.org/?p=24400

 

[R K]

Alcohol is not illegal.



The narcotics they are testing for are.

No kidding.



Thanks for proving my point. So it's OK for an Alcoholic to get the loans/assistance but not a Pot Head.



Not to mention not all those requesting for assistance are on Drugs. Infact I would even suggest with the economy the way it is the percentage is much lower than ever before.



So you are ok with making those Law Abiding Citizens to have their rights violated because you are a tax payer?



Complete bullshit. If you needed a assistance for any reason, as a tax payer, I would never advocate your Constitutional Rights being violated in order to recieve it. You could be on drugs. Oh no. Or you could be a complete DRUNK and it's just fine and dandy. See what I did there again?



Same thing I did for the desired response you gave me above.

 

[R K]

Nor is being poor.



Here we have Luis Lebron, a Navy veteran who swore to uphold and defend the Constitution while defending our country. He's raising his son by himself, taking care of his elderly disabled mother, and is now asking for some assistance while he finishes up his education.



The state of Florida is not only asking this guy to violate the Constitution, the same Constitution he took an oath to defend while in the Navy, they also have the unmitigated gall to charge him $35 to do it. Apparently, the US Constitution doesn't mean jack shit to these Florida politicians.



This Navy veteran - refusing to violate the Constitution - is a patriot, the Florida politicians - happy to violate the Constitution they also swore to uphold - are scoundrels.





"I felt like, I served my country for four years; doesn’t that mean anything anymore?"

[Lebron] meets all the criteria for assistance but has refused to waive his Fourth Amendment rights against unreasonable search and seizure and submit to the newly required drug test.



“I served my country, I’m in school finishing my education and trying to take care of my son,” Lebron said. “It’s insulting and degrading that people think I’m using drugs just because I need a little help to take care of my family while I finish up my education.”



http://knightnews.co...are-drug-tests/



http://www.pogowasright.org/?p=24400

How any educated person can not see a problem with this is beyond me. It saddens me and I understand why this country is in the State it is.

 

[R K]

Oh, and the Lake Zurich High School; They too suggested parents pay to Violate their Students Constitutional Rights as well. Like that's going to happen. Teach and stop playing parent. My student doesn't do drugs. How do I know, because I'm a good parent.

 

[mikita's helmet]

So, since you seem educated in this area, are you against the concept of giving drug tests to those looking

for state subisidies?

I'm against ANY government official/agent giving ANY individual ANY drug test without probable cause. Otherwise, it's an unreasonable search.

 

[mikita's helmet]

This the part I love all the people that talk about their love for smaller government support this expansion of government power.

The tea party currently seems to be a hybrid of limited government when it comes to regulation of business & finance and the environment, but one of oversight and regulation of your social and private life (if it isn't what they deem acceptable or "moral" behavior). Freedom of choice, *** marriage, pornography, a man and woman cohabitating together outside of marriage, teaching evolution in public school science classes - please teach smart design in christian/catholic schools, preferably in theology class, thank you - and opposition to mandated christian prayer in public schools.



Who does that remind one of? republicans, maybe?











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http://www.rationalp...ornography.html

 

[mikita's helmet]

As we have discussed previously on here, my daughter's private high school does random drug screenings for all its students, not just athletes. When you send your child there you sign a document stating such. I enjoy that and will tell you that it is one of the many things I appreciate about private schooling. Second week of freshman year she was chosen to have a screening done.

You may appreciate it now. Down the road your daughter may look back on this and think: "Did my dad even trust me growing up? Did he also search my room, read my diary, monitor my email to make sure I wasn't doing anything else he didn't approve of? If I can't trust him, who can I trust?"

 

[mikita's helmet]

I just want to find a way do end the destructive ghetto culture. If that's racist, so be it.

Violating the Constitution won't do that.

 

[R K]

You may appreciate it now. Down the road your daughter may look back on this and think: "Did my dad even trust me growing up? Did he also search my room, read my diary, monitor my email to make sure I wasn't doing anything else he didn't approve of? If I can't trust him, who can I trust?"

Going one step further IMO that is the parent questioning their parenting. I know 100% my child is not doing drugs, has not done drugs, and will not do drugs. If he were doing such I'd know. I don't need the school to "randomly" violate his rights to know that. If he was doing drugs and I did not know/notice I would consider myself a FAILURE as a parent.



It's just that simple. Hell my old man knew I was smoking pot in highschool. Apparently I turned out pretty well without the huge parental screw and or the Highschool stealing my piss.

 

[mikita's helmet]

I think if you go to any sporting event in a venue that has been built with any taxpayer money, whatsoever, on exiting the venue you should be required to submit to a UA, or if your modest, or in a hurry, be allowed to take a breathalizer test, in order to prove that your blood alcohol content is below .08. The cost for such testing will be $30 and will be added to price of your ticket. If you blow below .08, your $30 will be refunded to you after you fill out paperwork and produce proof of identity. A valid state drivers license and proof of auto insurance will suffice. If you can prove you didn't drive, a passport or state identification card is permissible. However, after you're tested, if your blood alcohol content is higher than .08, your car keys will be confiscated for 24 hours. If you blow .08 on more than one occasion and have season tickets, you forfeit them for one year. I know a lot of you will be up in arms -literally - over this, but I'm sure law enforcement will catch some folks who shouldn't be driving. It'll make the roads safer and it'll only be a slight inconvenience for you, compared to the lives that'll be saved. A small price to pay. Besides, driving with a BAC .08 or higher is illegal. Breaking the speed limit and not using your turn signal, ditto. Illegal!!!!!!!!!!

 

[R K]

oh no, Alcohol is not classified as a narcotic thus drinking and driving is permissable.



And as much as the UC and most venues PUSH their 8 dollar 16oz or more beverages just how many people do you think are leaving those venues, over the legal limit, and still driving behind the wheel on the way home?



I'd actually guess the percentage is quite high.

 

[mikita's helmet]

Hell my old man knew I was smoking pot in highschool. Apparently I turned out pretty well without the huge parental screw and or the Highschool stealing my piss.

Yeah, half the folks act here act like they don't have a past (and some still get high - Like I give a shit if they did/didn't or do/don't).



Regardless, many folks here, and elsewhere, would shit a brick if, based on research demonstrating that some of the population uses illegal drugs, which wouldn't be hard to produce, the police started going to every fifth residence in every city, suburb and ghetto project and searched for drugs, because, ya know, they're illegal (unlike alcohol) and some folks are using them, though it might not be you, though your place might get searched, anyway.



Additionally, because these are tough economic times, and we're spending a lot of TAXPAYER money trying to stop drug smuggling into this country, lots of TAXPAYER money on police narcotics squads, lots of TAXPAYER money on our court system prosecuting these criminals, not to mention the cost to house suspects in jails awaiting trial and then to send those convicted of crimes to prison later, this isn't much to ask for. In fact, it's your patriotic duty to allow these "reasonable" searches since they're randomly done to stop an activity that's illegal, just like sobriety check roadblocks. Moreover, law enforcement officers are killed in the line of duty everyday, fighting those involved in the drug business, and leaving families (kids, spouses, etc.) without a father or mother when they die. Less drugs on the streets means less law enforcement deaths associated with attempting to control illegal drugs.



Meanwhile, back in the real world, many will do what they need to do - despite knowing the financial cost to taxpayers to fight illegal drugs, especially in these dire economic times, and the loss of law enforcement life in doing so - so they can continue to get high on pot, coke, etc., in the privacy of their own homes at night and then go to work, like the good productive citizens they know they are, in the morning.

 

[R K]

Very sobering and fairly accurate post Mikita. It's actually easy to throw the stone, but catching it, so it doesn't break what ever it was thrown at, is the hard part.



This world is in fact full of Hypocrisy. From the Catholic Church and religion right down to the neighbor next door. At what point does it end? Somewhere common sense must prevail. If it doesn't we are ultimately in a boat load of shit. If as a society we aren't already.