Adrian Wojnarowski Slams Bulls Organization

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if they can get Carmelo it'll make look the Asik and Deng moves look allot better

allot riding on this offseason...they NEED to get the job done
 

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if they can get Carmelo it'll make look the Asik and Deng moves look allot better

allot riding on this offseason...they NEED to get the job done
I actually have faith in GarPax to make a huge move before next season's trade deadline.
 

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Reinsdorf said he would pay the tax if he thought he had a contender. He thought he was going to have one this year. He also paid the tax last year... so the way I see it, he's lived up to his word, the team didn't work out, so why pay the tax for a team thats never going to contend for a variety of reasons, most being health.

Talk is cheap. Reinsdorf has more than earned his reputation.
 

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I actually have faith in GarPax to make a huge move before next season's trade deadline.

Do you think it will be Anthony? Maybe GarPax will surprise us but he doesn't seem like their 'type' of player.
 

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Do you think it will be Anthony? Maybe GarPax will surprise us but he doesn't seem like their 'type' of player.
I'm hoping that it's Kevin Love at or before next season's trade deadline.

I wouldn't be mad if we got Melo, though.
 

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If someone reveres this guy then that's their call. I don't put much weight on any NBA writer talking about the Bulls because they either aren't from Chicago or never worked here. Vecsey and the NYC crowd, Yahoo guys, the ESPN bunch.


Reinsdorf is a millionaire and has been a powerbroker in both baseball and basketball for 30 years. If he wanted to make more money he'd sell his teams and invest it in his businesses. He understands championships can't be manufactured on a consistent basis, you have to plug along and when the rare opportunity comes around you go all in and do whatever you can to make it happen.

Non championship players like Chet Walker, Bob Love, Tom Boerwinkle, Jerry Sloan, Artis Gilmore, Reggie Theus, even Dave Corzine, Orlando Woolridge especially Norm Van Lier, were always well liked and respected while they played and after they were gone. Many of them and more were respected by fans because they they played hard and while they didn't get the trophy or rack up the league leading stats people respected their effort and that they didn't embarrass the uniform. That's what I mean by not caring what outside media thinks, they were never hear to see how fans responded to those players.


So **** that schmuck.
 

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I like Woj...but that article is horrible. Carmelo should stay where he is because NY will love him even if he never wins...because they love Patrick Ewing? He doesn't know Bulls history. Bulls fans loved Norm Van Lier, no, Artis Gillmore isn't revered here...but he wasn't Patrick Ewing or Bernard King, neither was Van Lier. The Bulls history doesn't compare to the Knicks when it comes to depth of great players. By the way, who gave Butterbean a corporate job with the team? Reinsdorf made Love relevant by re-introducing him to Bulls fans and retiring his number in the early 90's. If Melo wants a title, he should NOT stay in NY, where they have a history of over spending and making dumb moves.

But this is where Paxson has to do his sell job. He has to show Melo that Thibs, Noah along with Rose will win him a title.
 

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Woj is considered by many as the most respected & most trustworthy sports writer out here, so here are his present views on the Bulls.......

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/carmel...he-should-never-leave-new-york-054123184.html

Maybe he needs to lose a little of that respect and trustworthiness then if he's going to write up this kind of garbage.

As a fan, to ask your franchise to throw away money on players just for the fun of it, is kind of ridiculous.
We've had two years now where this team wasn't going to win the championship, so there's no reasonable reason to ask them to keep throwing money away when preparing for a future team that CAN compete for a championship should be their primary concern.

Unless we as fans no longer believe Rose can be the dominant player he was before (a possibility), we shouldn't be asking them to put out a team that's just good enough to make a nice first round playoff stand and then fade away each year.

There's nothing wrong with small market sensibilities when you're not talking about having a team that can compete for the championship.
 

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Maybe he needs to lose a little of that respect and trustworthiness then if he's going to write up this kind of garbage.

As a fan, to ask your franchise to throw away money on players just for the fun of it, is kind of ridiculous.
We've had two years now where this team wasn't going to win the championship, so there's no reasonable reason to ask them to keep throwing money away when preparing for a future team that CAN compete for a championship should be their primary concern.
Like I mentioned on the first page to Jos Min, I agree with the assessment of not paying the tax this season.

I mentioned the accolades about Woj because most people view his articles as the gospel.

I wasn't around this board during last season, so I can't judge you guys. I took a look at my old board today & it's hilarious watching long-time posters turn on Woj because of this article after they've treated his other articles like the Bible, especially his article last season when Rose decided not to return. That board was a funny read today.
 

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Yet, what you've said is not 100% accurate.
It's accurate.

Pip made cameo appearances for the Bulls. He was not hired at an official position until after Wade's comments. You have yet to disprove that.
Cameo appearances? Disprove what? Burden of proof says I need to prove your statement that wasn't even part of my statement? I'm really not sure what you're on about with this one. Pippen had official positions with the Bulls. But I guess when we look at his career stats, and find that he returned to the Bulls, those should not count, because they are suddenly not official, because you say so(calling them cameos.) Having an official Bulls analyst position is not official to you either. So basically, any position that Scottie Pippen had with the Bulls, was not official, unless it came after Wade made some comments. Gotcha. Seriously man, listen to yourself.

So let's recap the reality. The 100% accurate situation with Scottie Pippen.

This is Official, Bulls re-sign Scottie Pippen. http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/pippen_030720.html June of 2003 to a TWO year contract.
Pippen Retires in 2004.
In 2005 The Bulls retire his Jersey.
He gets a job as a Bulls analyst.
In 2007, he puts himself on the market. http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2767861 Fails, and doesn't get a job.
In 2008, he goes overseas to take an offer, plays a handful of games.
In 2009 he retires from professional basketball.
In 2010 he gets a job as a team ambassador. <- Only event that happened after Wade's comment of 'questioning' why Jordan and Pippen weren't with the organization.

Is this what Jordan told the media?

Jordan doesn't hold press conferences to address the media over things he says and does with players.


Like I said earlier, I don't remember MJ defending the Bulls organization against Wade. Regarding Pip, you even admitted earlier that he was broke, so I would think he'd be quick to defend JR. He needed a job.
Well, he went broke in 2011. At least I can't seem to find any resources that say otherwise. Searching for this stuff online is next to impossible. Especially anything with Wade and Jordan, because Wade was sponsored by Jordan, and Wade apologized about quite a few things he said, namely one about the WTC that dominates nearly every single search query that I throw at google. And Wade leaving Jordan shoes.


Wade is playing alongside superstars, while winning multiple championships.
Yeah, and? This makes him respected for his opinion, or respected for accomplishments? Because I sure as hell can't see how his opinion is taken highly in the league. Part of that also extends to many players in the NBA with the opinion that Wade and LeBron participated in player tampering, even if it was not an NBA rule at the time.

What has the Bulls organization done since the Dynasty?
Top 10 Win-Loss record in the NBA. Only 6 Teams have won a title since, which we compete with, among the other 24 teams that also try to win(which, means 7 teams have won if you count the 3 years prior to that total and we would be part of it, but that would include the Dynasty). Hey, you asked. But I guess we don't count anything, unless it happened after the "dynasty".

I answered your question, so here is my question.
What have the New York Knicks done since the Bulls "Dynasty"?
What about the Rockets, Clippers, Blazers, Bucks, and so on and so fourth?

His mission was accomplished.

Woj just wrote this article less than 24 hours ago and it's confirming what D-Wade stated years ago.

Not really. Even after searching for the last 20 minutes on DWade comments... Wade says a LOT of stupid shit.
 

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I agree.



The city of Chicago still loves those players, but I think Woj was more-so speaking about the organization's lack of love shown for those players.

Pippen wasn't hired as an ambassador until after D-Wade made negative comments about our FO not taking care of former players. The most damning example is the fact that Michael Jordan is not involved with the Bulls.

Fair or not, this is the league-wide perception of our franchise.

I said it in 2010 and I'll say it now, Wade, who grew up a Bulls fan and OUT OF ALL PEOPLE, should know the Bulls take care of former players. So many former players worked for this organization over the years.


-- Scottie Pippen (retired with Bulls, ambassador, jersey retired, statue/bust)
-- Michael Jordan (jersey retired, statue)
-- Bob Love (jersey retired)
-- Jerry Sloan (jersey retired)
-- Randy Brown (asst general manager, JR even paid Randy for his championship rings when he tried to sell them)
-- Bill Wennington/Stacey King/Will Purdue/Kendall Gill (TV/Radio)
-- John Paxson (VP of operations)
-- Kirk Hinrich
-- 20th anniversary of 1st title in 2011
-- Johnny Red Kerr ceremony night (lifer with the Bulls)
-- Neil Funk (TV/Radio lifer)
-- Bill Cartwright (coach)
-- Pete Myers (former player, long-time asst coach)
-- Adrian Griffin (former player, long-time asst coach)
-- Lindsey Hunter (former player, asst coach)


Also, that was a ***** move article from Woj and a shot at the Bulls and their fans. Like we don't celebrate the players that play here. There's some fans that still miss Deng immensely. I disagree with some of the Bulls FO moves and I know there's a history of the Bulls being cheap and still examples to this day, but basically he's telling us we should spend like the Knicks and be in their position. THIS IS NOT A TITLE CONTENDING TEAM, so why should JR pay a luxury tax?
 

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what wade said wasn't necessarily right but the fact Wade feels that way you got to wonder if other players feel that way
 

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Of course players feel different ways about all teams. That is human nature. Nearly all NBA players were a fan of certain teams growing up, bias exists.

Name any team, any team in the NBA, and you can find negative qualities about the owner and the front office. And guess what? They are all debatable.
 

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I agree the article is trash but I will say that this current FO has lied to the fans on multiple occasions and has had no qualms in throwing ex-players under the bus to save their own face. Even though people hate hearing about it, the prime example begins with Ben Gordon, who led the team in scoring 2 seasons in a row before being offered a "take it or leave it" contract that was not sent to his agent. Fast forward to a few weeks ago with Deng, coincidentally also the Bulls leading scorer the past 2 seasons, and the exact same thing occured. During both press conferences afterwards, the Bulls brass made it seem as though there was no negotiating with these two when the truth of the matter was there was no attempt at negotiation at all. It was management's way or the highway. This, atleast to me, is what I believe sticks in FA's minds more than anything else.
 

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WE...are stuck in the 90's! When I say WE I am talking the people who are running this organization we all love as well as a good core of our Fanbase

This is not the 90's Folks, Jordan and Pippen are not coming back and I doubt we will ever luck into 2 players as great as MJ or Pippen.

I think I have Posted before that Jerry Reinsdorf doesn't care about winning another Championship, he doesn't care about catching the Lakers or Celtics in Overall Championships, now all he cares about is a Profit and maybe having a Decent Playoff Run with a Overachieving team but I don't see a Owner that is in the business of winning "MORE CHAMPIONSHIPS" and because of that Paxson, Foreman, Coach Tom, they are Limited and they are basically trying to work MIRACLES to give the fans what they want but also work around Jerry's Demands

Once word gets out on how a Organization is, players are not going to want to come here and to be honest they have yet to do anything to change that perception. They run and name Pippen an "Ambassador or what ever the hell he is suppose to be AFTER Wade's Comments?

I will always love my Bulls fans but just because I am a Bulls fan does not mean I will live in denial when others come along and say things most of us are probably thinking but don't want to say out loud because we don't want to be seen as Less of a Bulls Fans. Well I am a Life Long Bulls Fan and I see a lot of the things Adrian see.

I see Jerry just wants a Overachieving Playoff Caliber Team so that fans can keep coming to the games, how long has it been since fans been asking for another Star next to Rose? And what exactly have they done to try and get that other "STAR" with Rose? Then people want to blame Tom for the Minutes but yet you took away his Depth (or allowed them to get away) what options does he have really?

I want more Championships, not just some overachieving team making the playoffs only because the East Sucks
 

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I think I have Posted before that Jerry Reinsdorf doesn't care about winning another Championship, he doesn't care about catching the Lakers or Celtics in Overall Championships, now all he cares about is a Profit and maybe having a Decent Playoff Run with a Overachieving team but I don't see a Owner that is in the business of winning "MORE CHAMPIONSHIPS"

And you base this on what? You have some evidence of this? Something that proves this?
Because I've seen nothing to suggest this is the Truth.

Once word gets out on how a Organization is, players are not going to want to come here and to be honest they have yet to do anything to change that perception.

And what exactly have they done to try and get that other "STAR" with Rose?

What word? And by whom? And what players haven't wanted to come here? You mean the one's who'd already decided to get together down in south beach?
Do you mean the "word" from a guy who played the Bulls organization and then tried to spread a bullshit story about it just to make it look like he and his two friends had actual legitimate reasons not to join it? Wade has absolutely no credibility left. And to base any of these rumors and made up stories on the crap he tried to pull is just ridiculous.
I'm sorry that the corner store that sells "STAR" players was apparently all out by the time Jerry stopped in. Unfortunately that's not the way it works. You don't just stop off at the gas station and tell them to "fill 'er up and while you're at it, throw in a LaMarcus Aldridge and a Carmelo too".


It sure as hell sounds to me like you should look in a mirror when talking about denial and living in the past.
You want more championships, but you don't think we'll ever get top level players again ... apparently because some dipshit down in Miami said so ... but you want Jerry and management to go out and blow money left and right on any FA they can get their hands on, even though that's never really going to get them a championship. Yeah, that makes a whole hell of a lot of sense.
 

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I like Woj...but that article is horrible. Carmelo should stay where he is because NY will love him even if he never wins...because they love Patrick Ewing? He doesn't know Bulls history. Bulls fans loved Norm Van Lier, no, Artis Gillmore isn't revered here...but he wasn't Patrick Ewing or Bernard King, neither was Van Lier. The Bulls history doesn't compare to the Knicks when it comes to depth of great players. By the way, who gave Butterbean a corporate job with the team? Reinsdorf made Love relevant by re-introducing him to Bulls fans and retiring his number in the early 90's. If Melo wants a title, he should NOT stay in NY, where they have a history of over spending and making dumb moves.

But this is where Paxson has to do his sell job. He has to show Melo that Thibs, Noah along with Rose will win him a title.

Melo cannot win a championship with Noah and Rose. Look around the league, man. Neither of the two are elite. The Bulls need to accept that the talent gap is gone and they need to replenish it via the draft or FA. Once that's done, we can talk about winning Melo a championship.
 

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I agree the article is trash but I will say that this current FO has lied to the fans on multiple occasions and has had no qualms in throwing ex-players under the bus to save their own face. Even though people hate hearing about it, the prime example begins with Ben Gordon, who led the team in scoring 2 seasons in a row before being offered a "take it or leave it" contract that was not sent to his agent. Fast forward to a few weeks ago with Deng, coincidentally also the Bulls leading scorer the past 2 seasons, and the exact same thing occured. During both press conferences afterwards, the Bulls brass made it seem as though there was no negotiating with these two when the truth of the matter was there was no attempt at negotiation at all. It was management's way or the highway. This, atleast to me, is what I believe sticks in FA's minds more than anything else.

You are right, I hate hearing about it. Nobody gives a damn about how the Bulls treated Ben Gordon, which wasn't as bad as made out to be.
 

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Melo cannot win a championship with Noah and Rose. Look around the league, man. Neither of the two are elite. The Bulls need to accept that the talent gap is gone and they need to replenish it via the draft or FA. Once that's done, we can talk about winning Melo a championship.

At 100 million dollars, Rose has to be given the chance to prove that he can be a top level player again. With Melo on the team, Rose is the second option offensively. And who builds through the draft when you draft where the Bulls do? That isn't realistic unless you want to fire Thibs also.
 

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