Am I the only one who hates the Bucks?

[TheStig]

Every team goes through injuries. You can't use them as an excuse. We aren't going to have an asterick next to our name in the standings because we had some injuries.

If they want:
Stars: they team up
market:ny
weather and taxes: miami
most money: current team

We offer nothing special, Rose and Noah are nice but they aren't better than playing with another star. If we aren't a playoff team, we aren't even in consideration.

 

[JimmyBulls]

You can't use losing your top three players as a excuse for not making the playoffs? Really?

I don't think making the playoffs means a whole lot to potential incoming free agents. I think Bosh, Amare, or Boozer will first look at a team's ability to pay, and then at surrounding talent. Those are the factors that will lead to us getting one of the above mentioned players, not some bs 2010 token playoff run. Sure, another playoff run would've been great for Rose's development, but I don't think it would've made the Bulls pitch to 2010 free agents any stronger. Hey, come here, we got smacked in the playoffs in the first round.

I think the Heat have the strongest hand going into 2010 free agency, because of Wade. The team that's in the worst position is probably the Knicks. If they sign two max guys, they still won't have a team, and I doubt Amare and Boozer are going to want to go from playing with all star point guards to whoever the Knicks fill in that position with.

 

[pinkizdead]

i think there is merit to the belief that players understand the bulls situation, but, i think making the playoffs would help. The start of this year we sucked, we were mediocre all year long, and we didnt make the playoffs. Yeah we have rose and noah, but we're pretty crappy to mediocre at every other position. making the playoffs might lessen the blow.

 

[houheffna]

You would have to explain to me how making the playoffs and getting blown out 4 games straight by the Cavaliers would be better than not going at all. At least you can blame it on injuries, which is the case. If they go into the playoffs full strength, they might win one game. Last year, the Cavaliers thoroughly embarrassed the Pistons. The Bulls have a player on their team that is a top 10 player in the future if he continues to improve. I don't know any other teams that can say that except maybe the Nets. Noah and Rose will be enticing for anyone to play with. Noah is a player who can play at a high level in the frontcourt and not need the ball. these players know what they are doing with their futures. Lebron could be the greatest ever, whereever he goes, they are a contender. He comes to the Bulls, they are instantly contenders, point blank.

 

[TheStig]

JimmyBulls wrote:

You can't use losing your top three players as a excuse for not making the playoffs? Really?

I don't think making the playoffs means a whole lot to potential incoming free agents. I think Bosh, Amare, or Boozer will first look at a team's ability to pay, and then at surrounding talent. Those are the factors that will lead to us getting one of the above mentioned players, not some bs 2010 token playoff run. Sure, another playoff run would've been great for Rose's development, but I don't think it would've made the Bulls pitch to 2010 free agents any stronger. Hey, come here, we got smacked in the playoffs in the first round.

I think the Heat have the strongest hand going into 2010 free agency, because of Wade. The team that's in the worst position is probably the Knicks. If they sign two max guys, they still won't have a team, and I doubt Amare and Boozer are going to want to go from playing with all star point guards to whoever the Knicks fill in that position with.

Exactly but there are many teams with money. Then there are some with bird rights that can pay them even more to stay. All the incumbent teams can pay a extra year, bigger raises and $30 mill more than any open market team can. So if money is the main concern, they will stay put. If it goes to talent, you can stay where you are as all of the top 6 fas are in the post season already, so going to a non playoff team is a step down. All of those teams have missed there top 3 players for times too. I highly doubt we are signifigantly above the league average.

The Knicks are not in a bad place at all. They played the money game perfect. TMac will resign for the min and they have a lot of wing depth between Tmac, Ginallari, Chandler and Douglas. Even if they take the worst two big maxs fas in JJ and Boozer they still have a playoff team. Then they also have about 10-12 mill in cap space the following year when curry expires to sign a real C. If they put out this lineup, they can make the playoffs.

Douglas/Rod
JJ/Chandler
Tmac/Gallinari
Gallinari/Chandler
Boozer/Curry

 

[TheStig]

houheffna wrote:

You would have to explain to me how making the playoffs and getting blown out 4 games straight by the Cavaliers would be better than not going at all. At least you can blame it on injuries, which is the case. If they go into the playoffs full strength, they might win one game. Last year, the Cavaliers thoroughly embarrassed the Pistons. The Bulls have a player on their team that is a top 10 player in the future if he continues to improve. I don't know any other teams that can say that except maybe the Nets. Noah and Rose will be enticing for anyone to play with. Noah is a player who can play at a high level in the frontcourt and not need the ball. these players know what they are doing with their futures. Lebron could be the greatest ever, whereever he goes, they are a contender. He comes to the Bulls, they are instantly contenders, point blank.

Making the playoffs is essential because a guy like Bron isn't leaving a contender to join a non playoff team unless another star joins them like Wade or Bosh. All the big Fa's are in the playoffs, why would they leave more money from their team and being lured by other fas to come to a non playoff team that will pay them less than their team can? IF they want to play with another top 10 player tommorrow they will team up or go to the Thunder and play with Durant, not wait for Rose and Noah to get there if they do because there certainly isn't a gurarntee they will( though they most likely do so).

 

[pinkizdead]

houheffna wrote:

The Bulls have a player on their team that is a top 10 player in the future if he continues to improve. I don't know any other teams that can say that except maybe the Nets. .

we all know pargo is great, but i dont think he's enough to entice anyone. Do you really think lebron is leaving the cavs to come play with the scrubabulls and work for jerry? i dont see anyone bending over backwards/giving up money this off season to come play with a non-playoff team/mediocre team.

 

[pinkizdead]

TheStig wrote:

houheffna wrote:

You would have to explain to me how making the playoffs and getting blown out 4 games straight by the Cavaliers would be better than not going at all. At least you can blame it on injuries, which is the case. If they go into the playoffs full strength, they might win one game. Last year, the Cavaliers thoroughly embarrassed the Pistons. The Bulls have a player on their team that is a top 10 player in the future if he continues to improve. I don't know any other teams that can say that except maybe the Nets. Noah and Rose will be enticing for anyone to play with. Noah is a player who can play at a high level in the frontcourt and not need the ball. these players know what they are doing with their futures. Lebron could be the greatest ever, whereever he goes, they are a contender. He comes to the Bulls, they are instantly contenders, point blank.

Making the playoffs is essential because a guy like Bron isn't leaving a contender to join a non playoff team unless another star joins them like Wade or Bosh. All the big Fa's are in the playoffs, why would they leave more money from their team and being lured by other fas to come to a non playoff team that will pay them less than their team can? IF they want to play with another top 10 player tommorrow they will team up or go to the Thunder and play with Durant, not wait for Rose and Noah to get there if they do because there certainly isn't a gurarntee they will( though they most likely do so).

the thunder has the most talent, but do you really want to move to OKC. i wouldn't. 5 years of my life in OKC sounds like crap. pllus they have most of their positions filled rather nicely except PF and C.

 

[Kush77]

I never really had anything against the Bucks. So I don't hate them like the Pistons, Knicks and Cavs.

I guess Postdiction has to deal with some Bucks fans, and that can make you hate a team. I know how that is having worked with a lot of sports fans over the years.

Bucks fans are feeling good now, and they should, they're playing well. But like I said in another post, we'll have to see how things play out with Skiles. He's coaching career has had a pattern, take over a team, turn them around, then he stats to wear on players and he gets fired. It happened with PHX and the Bulls. He's a great coach but it's gonna be interesting to see how things work with him.

 

[Diddy1122]

houheffna wrote:

You would have to explain to me how making the playoffs and getting blown out 4 games straight by the Cavaliers would be better than not going at all. At least you can blame it on injuries, which is the case. If they go into the playoffs full strength, they might win one game. Last year, the Cavaliers thoroughly embarrassed the Pistons. The Bulls have a player on their team that is a top 10 player in the future if he continues to improve. I don't know any other teams that can say that except maybe the Nets. Noah and Rose will be enticing for anyone to play with. Noah is a player who can play at a high level in the frontcourt and not need the ball. these players know what they are doing with their futures. Lebron could be the greatest ever, whereever he goes, they are a contender. He comes to the Bulls, they are instantly contenders, point blank.

Thank you. Another voice of reason in all this lunacy. Making the playoffs would be nice in that it would show how we've battled hard through adversity. And if we pushed the Cavs in a series, which is highly unlikely, it would help improve our position. But to think that no FA will even consider us because we slipped out of the playoffs is laughable. Players know what is going on with other teams, especially teams in their own division (Lebron), or from their hometown (Wade), and/or in their conference (Bosh, Lebron, Wade, Johnson). We had a stretch where we were missing our top 4 players & still fought the Cavs tooth & nail. Lebron even commented about that when he was addressing reporters after the game.

Stig, you gotta stop being a negative nancy all the time. You undersell the Bulls FA position at any opportunity. Have some faith in your city & your team. No one knows what will shake down when the season is over. Not me, not Hou, not even you.

 

[Kush77]

Making or missing the playoffs will have no impact on one of the big free agents coming here.

They know the pieces that are here and what they can add.

I would prefer they make the playoffs this year. Which is a switch for me because I've always been they guy to say "give me my 1.9% chance at the lottery." But the Bulls got lucky once, I can't see that happening again.

 

[TheStig]

pinkizdead wrote:

TheStig wrote:

houheffna wrote:

You would have to explain to me how making the playoffs and getting blown out 4 games straight by the Cavaliers would be better than not going at all. At least you can blame it on injuries, which is the case. If they go into the playoffs full strength, they might win one game. Last year, the Cavaliers thoroughly embarrassed the Pistons. The Bulls have a player on their team that is a top 10 player in the future if he continues to improve. I don't know any other teams that can say that except maybe the Nets. Noah and Rose will be enticing for anyone to play with. Noah is a player who can play at a high level in the frontcourt and not need the ball. these players know what they are doing with their futures. Lebron could be the greatest ever, whereever he goes, they are a contender. He comes to the Bulls, they are instantly contenders, point blank.

Making the playoffs is essential because a guy like Bron isn't leaving a contender to join a non playoff team unless another star joins them like Wade or Bosh. All the big Fa's are in the playoffs, why would they leave more money from their team and being lured by other fas to come to a non playoff team that will pay them less than their team can? IF they want to play with another top 10 player tommorrow they will team up or go to the Thunder and play with Durant, not wait for Rose and Noah to get there if they do because there certainly isn't a gurarntee they will( though they most likely do so).

the thunder has the most talent, but do you really want to move to OKC. i wouldn't. 5 years of my life in OKC sounds like crap. pllus they have most of their positions filled rather nicely except PF and C.

Not everyone wants the distraction or hassle of big city life. Some people like peace and quiet and little to no crime. All the major Fa's have families. Or they can team up in Miami, still have money for an above the mle guy and have mb as a trading chip to fill a hole.

 

[TheStig]

Kush77 wrote:

Making or missing the playoffs will have no impact on one of the big free agents coming here.

They know the pieces that are here and what they can add.

I would prefer they make the playoffs this year. Which is a switch for me because I've always been they guy to say "give me my 1.9% chance at the lottery." But the Bulls got lucky once, I can't see that happening again.

The pieces as a whole aren't that attractive. Deng is a nice guy but disappears in the clutch, is injury plagued and kills the cap for a team that doesn't pay the lt. Rose is a great you piece but a big 4 star with another big 4 star is better. Considering that two teams can do it, one in a bigger market, the other in a better tax state and climate. Noah is a hardworker and great young piece but he doesn't generate the pull to get someone here. There are places that can generate what we can but better and a hard young working team that doesn't ahve room for two stars or make the playoffs isn't that attractive, injuries or not.

 

[Shakes]

I'm not sure I buy the big 4 guys being better to play with. IMO Rose has a pretty decent chance of being better than Bosh or Amare over the next 5 years. So I think it's really play with LeBron or Wade that's more attractive. And LeBron is only an option if he goes to NY, which seems pretty unlikely, so really it's the Heat that are the threat. Even then the TNT guys were saying while we were being blown out by the Heat that Chicago was a better situation with a brighter future.

I think making the playoffs helps a lot (if only because it'd push the Raptors out), but I don't think it's going to absolutely kill us if we don't.

 

[TheStig]

Shakes wrote:

I'm not sure I buy the big 4 guys being better to play with. IMO Rose has a pretty decent chance of being better than Bosh or Amare over the next 5 years. So I think it's really play with LeBron or Wade that's more attractive. And LeBron is only an option if he goes to NY, which seems pretty unlikely, so really it's the Heat that are the threat. Even then the TNT guys were saying while we were being blown out by the Heat that Chicago was a better situation with a brighter future.

I think making the playoffs helps a lot (if only because it'd push the Raptors out), but I don't think it's going to absolutely kill us if we don't.

Chances are chances. Top 5 players are more certain. Being a contender today is better than being a contender down the line. $5 today is better than $10 5 years from now. In 5 years all the stars will be at the tail end of their prime, rose will just be hitting his. They want to play with the best today and I don't blame them.

All of them have talked about winning. It is a real hard press to see anyone but Amare joining us and there have been several rumors that we didn't want him and we probably could have had him if we wanted to pay a bit more.

 

[Shakes]

I'm not talking about in 5 years time, I'm talking about the 5 years of their contract. Rose is a really good chance to be the best PG in the league next year, just look at the jumps Paul and Williams made in their 3rd years.

Get us Bosh and we're an outside chance at the championship as soon as next year. Only the Cavs would be a better team in the East.

 

[pinkizdead]

Kush77 wrote:

Making or missing the playoffs will have no impact on one of the big free agents coming here.

They know the pieces that are here and what they can add.

I would prefer they make the playoffs this year. Which is a switch for me because I've always been they guy to say "give me my 1.9% chance at the lottery." But the Bulls got lucky once, I can't see that happening again.

well would you want to be on the same team as yao ming or mcrgrady two years ago? the bulls have noah and rose a crappy hinrich(i wish he'd return to form) and an injury prone deng.

yeah, they understand that we suffered a crap load of injuries, but we've had injury problems for 2 seasons now, are we getting free agents with that?

 

[TheStig]

Shakes wrote:

I'm not talking about in 5 years time, I'm talking about the 5 years of their contract. Rose is a really good chance to be the best PG in the league next year, just look at the jumps Paul and Williams made in their 3rd years.

Get us Bosh and we're an outside chance at the championship as soon as next year. Only the Cavs would be a better team in the East.

Rose won't over take Paul or Williams in a year or two let alone both and just adding bosh to this group won't get us past the second round. The Magic and Cavs would easily steamroll us and if wade gets a second star they will be better too.

 

[houheffna]

It is very possible that Rose could be the best point guard in the league in the next 2 or 3 years. I can say this, Rose would be the best wing player Lebron has played with if Lebron came to Chicago. I believe he will stay in Cleveland, but I don't believe it will be because of the Bulls not making the playoffs.

 

[Kush77]

pinkizdead wrote:

Kush77 wrote:

Making or missing the playoffs will have no impact on one of the big free agents coming here.

They know the pieces that are here and what they can add.

I would prefer they make the playoffs this year. Which is a switch for me because I've always been they guy to say "give me my 1.9% chance at the lottery." But the Bulls got lucky once, I can't see that happening again.

well would you want to be on the same team as yao ming or mcrgrady two years ago? the bulls have noah and rose a crappy hinrich(i wish he'd return to form) and an injury prone deng.

yeah, they understand that we suffered a crap load of injuries, but we've had injury problems for 2 seasons now, are we getting free agents with that?

Well I don't think we're gonna get the big free agents because I think they will stay with their teams. Not if the Bulls make the playoffs or not.

I think LBJ stays, I think Wade stays. I think Bosh goes to Miami with Wade. Then what?

Stoudemire, Boozer, Lee and Johnson. So you'll have the Knicks and the Nets willing to shell out max deals.

the Knicks will have to do something since their fans have been buying this LBJ is coming crap for 2 1/2 years now. I can see Johnson and Stoudemire signing with NY. then you have Boozer and Lee. The Nets could throw a max a Boozer, will the bulls match, probably not. Then you're left with Lee and Jermaine O'Neal.

It could play out like that. Bulls management probably has certain guys in mind that they will offer max deals to. But I don't think those guys are coming here.