Article: It’s Now Time to Explore Trading Alshon Jeffery

[Teddy KGB]

I'm not sure how this is in any way comparable to the Bears' situation. You make it sound like the Bears can simply "decide" to emulate the Patriots success by copying their philosophy. The Patriots can plug in whomever on offense because they have arguably the greatest QB in NFL history. They can plug in whomever on defense because they have arguably the greatest defensive coach in NFL history. They draft well, so they can (usually) replace the players they lose in free agency.

Yeah, once the Bears have the best QB of all-time, the best Head Coach of all-time, and have a foundation of several good drafts...then they can operate under the Patriots philosophy.

If the Bears continue to lose productive players and not replace them, then they will never make it to a Super Bowl (again?).

I don't think you understand. We are not saying the Bears are directly copying the Patriots. They aren't.

What we are saying is that the Bears now, like the Pats, have established a football philosophy that they want players to buy into, or they will be gone, which is just what the Pats do.

They could be very different philosophies, for all we know. But it will give not only the Bears team, but the whole organization an identity and a culture that can breed success.

Now obviously, it all depends on how successful they end up being. A culture of failure is not a culture worth keeping. But the thing is, John Fox has rebuilt 2 other teams into Superbowl contenders. There's a track record there. So if you WERE going to go this route, you at least have someone with that track record at the helm.

Hence why we're all just along for the ride and waiting to see what comes of this. But I am not opposed to the Bears cutting people who don't fit their vision or undermine their culture for the sake of talent - such things can end up being a distraction and even ruining the culture they are trying to implement on a locker room level. Impatience doesn't breed success.

 

[Teddy KGB]

You are counting on FoxPace to always be able to replace that talent. To strike gold 100% of the time in the draft when they let a KNOWN commodity go. Talent like Alshon has not exactly sprouted on trees for this organization. If he stay's he'll easily end up being the #1 receiver in Bears history.

They offered him the Franchise Tag for a reason. They know what they have with him. If they did not, they'd have let him walk then. They need to retain him and not get butt hurt over him skipping VOLUNTARY workouts. Good teams do everything in their power to retain their young talent coming off their 1st contract. Contract negotiations sometimes run long and get tense. You can't get butt hurt when that happens. Sign the guy and then hug it out and watch the star perform. I'm tired already of FoxPace letting good talent go for a bag of Skittles because they don't want to put in some extra effort coaching and managing people, all of which will not be choir boys and that should be 100% expected.

Another thing - **** this perpetual "we're rebuilding" shit. We're ready to compete today. They need to have that mindset. You don't get 5 years anymore in today's day and age of parity. Resign your good players like perennial contenders do and build through the draft best you can and try to win now. I am so tired of constantly hearing we're rebuilding. It's been like that for 50 years of my life matching the shitty QB play we've had most of those years.

My last reply to Rory applies to this too.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

Funny post. Denver and Miami have all but said he was a negative influence. Nice revisionist history.

Nobody was talking about his time with Miami and Denver and don't think either team said that so much as he was a distraction with all the off the field incidents and legal problems. He had several while with Denver and was traded in the off season a month after being arrested for disorderly conduct. Miami then traded him to the Bears 2 days after he was reported to have punched some woman in a club during a melee. The year before that while with Miami is when he was stabbed by his wife. It was also right before his final year with the Dolphins that he was diagnosed with BPD.

When he came to the Bears, he had no such off the field issues in his 3 years with them. He was the perfect teammate until the "unacceptable loss" to his former team, the Miami Dolphins. It was during the unacceptable rant that he named several players that were giving 100%, omitting the name of Jay Cutler. This caused Jay to get all butt hurt and put a strain on their once great relationship. That coupled with the injury suffered against Dallas that ended his season early, led to a down year for BM, who had had 7 straight seasons with over 1,000 yards receiving. The strained relationship w/Cutler also caused the new incoming regime to believe Marshall was no longer a good fit for the Bears.

 

[Teddy KGB]

No, its the opposite. The Pats never had to do a full rebuild because they had consistent all-time best levels at QB and Head Coach. Their "long-term" philosophy is a byproduct of the greatness of Tom Brady and Bill Belichick...to make it sound like the "long-term" philosophy is what created Brady and Belichick's greatness is patently absurd. Again, once the Bears have Tom Brady at QB, Bill Belichick at HC, and several years of solid drafting, then they can emulate the Patriots' philosophy to maximum effect.




Baseball is completely different than football. Dramatic football turnarounds happen every year. Its possible that the Seahawks will have rebuilt, crested, and fallen back all in the same time period in which the Bears have been "rebuilding". If you have a 4-year rebuilding plan in the NFL, then you will be unemployed.



That's a terrible approach. Its like the Pats are the genius student who gets straight As without even studying, and the not-as-bright Bears think that its a good idea to also not study, because it works for the Pats.

Given how much Bellichick makes his players study and how he quizzes them in the halls, and drills game situations into them as part of their culture, your last analogy is frankly, horrible in terms of accuracy.

 

[Washington]

But I am not opposed to the Bears cutting people who don't fit their vision or undermine their culture for the sake of talent - such things can end up being a distraction and even ruining the culture they are trying to implement on a locker room level. Impatience doesn't breed success.

FoxPace signed Alshon to the Franchise Tag because he's a known commodity and they know his talent. You can't get all pouty and butt hurt because Alshon doesn't take their first offer. In this case Impatience breeds failure because you'd be letting a guy leave who is a known top talent who you already showed you wanted and are willing to pay high money to all because your feelings were hurt because he didn't want to risk getting hurt at a voluntary workout. It is nothing more than that. His persona and culture didn't change between the time he signed the Tag and now. It would all be on FoxPace and it would be stupid.

As for all these accolades on Fox building Super Bowl teams. In 14 years as a head coach, he has never WON a Super Bowl and only 6 times in 14 season has he had a team over .500. Think about that. Would you be happy knowing in advance that we’d have a coach for 14 years with only 6 winning seasons and zero Super Bowl victories? As easy as one can pump praise to Fox, there is another side. I like Fox and I like Pace but I don't blindly put these men on pedestals as if they can do no wrong.

 

[Les Grossman]

That's a terrible philosophy. You should want to retain your talented players. They are proven commodities within your system. I get that one of Pace's first moves was to strip Cliff Stein of his "salary cap management" duties, but Pace's pattern of getting rid of established players is a bit troubling.

How quickly many here forget how long it took for CHI to find a good WR. It's not like WR was a position that the organization keeps pumping talent out at.

 

[CNiel36]

Nobody was talking about his time with Miami and Denver and don't think either team said that so much as he was a distraction with all the off the field incidents and legal problems. He had several while with Denver and was traded in the off season a month after being arrested for disorderly conduct. Miami then traded him to the Bears 2 days after he was reported to have punched some woman in a club during a melee. The year before that while with Miami is when he was stabbed by his wife. It was also right before his final year with the Dolphins that he was diagnosed with BPD.

When he came to the Bears, he had no such off the field issues in his 3 years with them. He was the perfect teammate until the "unacceptable loss" to his former team, the Miami Dolphins. It was during the unacceptable rant that he named several players that were giving 100%, omitting the name of Jay Cutler. This caused Jay to get all butt hurt and put a strain on their once great relationship. That coupled with the injury suffered against Dallas that ended his season early, led to a down year for BM, who had had 7 straight seasons with over 1,000 yards receiving. The strained relationship w/Cutler also caused the new incoming regime to believe Marshall was no longer a good fit for the Bears.

That and the fact that he was skipping practices to fly to New York and film Inside the NFL. The Bears got rid of Marshall because he was not a leader in the locker room, and they knew for the most part they would have a young team coming in. Marshall can work with a vet laden locker room like you find with the Jets, but he is poison with a young locker room like the one that would soon be in Chicago.

I cant believe how butt hurt you all are about losing Marshall. Get over it, it was fun having him around but Pace/Fox had to tear this thing up from the studs and start rebuilding.

 

[KittiesKorner]

See Moss, Randy.

And lloyd, brandon.

And bennett, martellus

 

[Teddy KGB]

And lloyd, brandon.

And bennett, martellus

Pats will take a chance on a guy once that culture is established. But they won't keep him if he doesn't confirm. Bennett, we'll see how long he lasts there.

 

[bamainatlanta]

Pats will take a chance on a guy once that culture is established. But they won't keep him if he doesn't confirm. Bennett, we'll see how long he lasts there.

They didn't exactly keep brandon Lloyd around long. And Martellus will be on another team next year. Epic fail of an example. Lol.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

That and the fact that he was skipping practices to fly to New York and film Inside the NFL. The Bears got rid of Marshall because he was not a leader in the locker room, and they knew for the most part they would have a young team coming in. Marshall can work with a vet laden locker room like you find with the Jets, but he is poison with a young locker room like the one that would soon be in Chicago.

I cant believe how butt hurt you all are about losing Marshall. Get over it, it was fun having him around but Pace/Fox had to tear this thing up from the studs and start rebuilding.

Like others here, you have serious reading comprehension problems. Nobody was talking about being butt hurt over Marshall leaving. Was just disagreeing that he was a bad influence for the likes of Alshon when, by all accounts, he was not only an excellent mentor for AJ but led off season workouts for many players and was viewed as a key team leader for the Bears right up to the "unacceptable loss."

 

[Warrior Spirit]

Pats will take a chance on a guy once that culture is established. But they won't keep him if he doesn't confirm. Bennett, we'll see how long he lasts there.

He'll be fine until he requires too much money or murders someone.

 

[Teddy KGB]

He'll be fine until he requires too much money or murders someone.

Then they'll trade him to Cincinnati for a 3rd rounder.

 

[Washington]

He'll be fine until he requires too much money or murders someone.

I know it will be very fun watching Gronk and Marty as a tandem. I'm sure Brady is stoked about that. Brady gets Gronk and Marty and Cutty gets the injury prone Miller, he of one good 4 game stretch in his 8 year career and Khari Lee, he of 1 catch for 7 yards in his inaugural season. I don't see any Ds having to game plan for our TEs but I'm guessing they will for NE. Cutty gets the short end of the stick here - again.

 

[Calabis]

Nobody was talking about his time with Miami and Denver and don't think either team said that so much as he was a distraction with all the off the field incidents and legal problems. He had several while with Denver and was traded in the off season a month after being arrested for disorderly conduct. Miami then traded him to the Bears 2 days after he was reported to have punched some woman in a club during a melee. The year before that while with Miami is when he was stabbed by his wife. It was also right before his final year with the Dolphins that he was diagnosed with BPD.

When he came to the Bears, he had no such off the field issues in his 3 years with them. He was the perfect teammate until the "unacceptable loss" to his former team, the Miami Dolphins. It was during the unacceptable rant that he named several players that were giving 100%, omitting the name of Jay Cutler. This caused Jay to get all butt hurt and put a strain on their once great relationship. That coupled with the injury suffered against Dallas that ended his season early, led to a down year for BM, who had had 7 straight seasons with over 1,000 yards receiving. The strained relationship w/Cutler also caused the new incoming regime to believe Marshall was no longer a good fit for the Bears.

They will ignore this and just say other teams got rid of him blah blah blah...Briggs talked about teammates fighting each other in practice and their was no coach who prevented it. So instead if blaming everyone, let's just blame Marshall...a guy who played his heart out and called people out for not doing the same.

Forte.....gone
Marshall....gone
Bennett....gone
Slausen...gone
Cutler...here

Out of those guys, who performed and we're always playing amongst the best at their position? Who didn't? Who is still here? Who's position still hasn't been addressed? Yet look at the league and teams with proven starters still address the QB position.....Pace and Fox love to say "this is the kind of guy who represents us and the Bears." Yet they cut Slausen who was a perfect example of what they always tout. Age? Signs a guy older than Slausen and he is still here? 2.7 MIL is what they save by getting rid of him? Their vet moves are pathetic at this point.

Basically **** veteran leadership

 

[Teddy KGB]

They will ignore this and just say other teams got rid of him blah blah blah...Briggs talked about teammates fighting each other in practice and their was no coach who prevented it. So instead if blaming everyone, let's just blame Marshall...a guy who played his heart out and called people out for not doing the same.

Forte.....gone
Marshall....gone
Bennett....gone
Slausen...gone
Cutler...here

Out of those guys, who performed and we're always playing amongst the best at their position? Who didn't? Who is still here? Who's position still hasn't been addressed? Yet look at the league and teams with proven starters still address the QB position.....Pace and Fox love to say "this is the kind of guy who represents us and the Bears." Yet they cut Slausen who was a perfect example of what they always tout. Age? Signs a guy older than Slausen and he is still here? 2.7 MIL is what they save by getting rid of him? Their vet moves are pathetic at this point.

Basically **** veteran leadership

 

[Calabis]

Yeah I know, I should keep comparing us too the Patriots....and act like they are some model....also I'll ignore Brady while I'm at it.

 

[Jester]

They will ignore this and just say other teams got rid of him blah blah blah...Briggs talked about teammates fighting each other in practice and their was no coach who prevented it. So instead if blaming everyone, let's just blame Marshall...a guy who played his heart out and called people out for not doing the same.

Forte.....gone
Marshall....gone
Bennett....gone
Slausen...gone
Cutler...here

Out of those guys, who performed and we're always playing amongst the best at their position? Who didn't? Who is still here? Who's position still hasn't been addressed? Yet look at the league and teams with proven starters still address the QB position.....Pace and Fox love to say "this is the kind of guy who represents us and the Bears." Yet they cut Slausen who was a perfect example of what they always tout. Age? Signs a guy older than Slausen and he is still here? 2.7 MIL is what they save by getting rid of him? Their vet moves are pathetic at this point.

Basically **** veteran leadership

I don't think I would call Bennett or Marshall leaders, though they certainly lead by example on the field. I honestly hate seeing any of these players gone, glad Cutler is still here though.

 

[Washington]

They will ignore this and just say other teams got rid of him blah blah blah...Briggs talked about teammates fighting each other in practice and their was no coach who prevented it. So instead if blaming everyone, let's just blame Marshall...a guy who played his heart out and called people out for not doing the same.

Forte.....gone
Marshall....gone
Bennett....gone
Slausen...gone
Cutler...here

Out of those guys, who performed and we're always playing amongst the best at their position? Who didn't? Who is still here? Who's position still hasn't been addressed? Yet look at the league and teams with proven starters still address the QB position.....Pace and Fox love to say "this is the kind of guy who represents us and the Bears." Yet they cut Slausen who was a perfect example of what they always tout. Age? Signs a guy older than Slausen and he is still here? 2.7 MIL is what they save by getting rid of him? Their vet moves are pathetic at this point.

Basically **** veteran leadership

Well said! Remember when Dent and Covert brawled and it was a doozy? There were tons of brawls in practice back then and it happens still on teams. FoxPace wants choir boys and would have never been able to handle the '85 Bears. They'd have been dismantled in record time. And, there is nothing wrong with a player telling it like it is in the locker room and holding others accountable. That used to be and should be viewed as leadership and it should remain in the locker room. That 2nd year under Trestman was a cluster **** and I can't believe players didn't kill each other.

If Fox is this super coach, why not give him a crack at Marshall and have him continue to coach Bennett? FoxPace could have told Marshall No on the Monday show. It would be that simple really. Think of the remarkable job Phil Jackson did with Rodman. Amazing what good coaching can accomplish. Kam Chancellor held out last year yet he wasn't released and was welcomed back with open arms by management, coaches, and players. Remarkable huh? I wonder if Fox makes all players hold hands and end each practice with a verse of Kumbaya?

 

[Jester]

Well said! Remember when Dent and Covert brawled and it was a doozy? There were tons of brawls in practice back then and it happens still on teams. FoxPace wants choir boys and would have never been able to handle the '85 Bears. They'd have been dismantled in record time. And, there is nothing wrong with a player telling it like it is in the locker room and holding others accountable. That used to be and should be viewed as leadership and it should remain in the locker room. That 2nd year under Trestman was a cluster **** and I can't believe players didn't kill each other.

If Fox is this super coach, why not give him a crack at Marshall and have him continue to coach Bennett? FoxPace could have told Marshall No on the Monday show. It would be that simple really. Think of the remarkable job Phil Jackson did with Rodman. Amazing what good coaching can accomplish. Kam Chancellor held out last year yet he wasn't released and was welcomed back with open arms by management, coaches, and players. Remarkable huh? I wonder if Fox makes all players hold hands and end each practice with a verse of Kumbaya?

Just so you are aware, John Fox is very well respected coach around the league, by both players and coaches. Him letting Marshall and Bennett walk sucks because I like watching BOTH of them. Marshall and Bennett give it all on the field and they are GOOD. However, Fox letting them walk certainly doesn't make him a bad coach.