Article: It’s Now Time to Explore Trading Alshon Jeffery

[Teddy KGB]

What is the point of discussing this so many different times? WILL... YOU... EVER... LET... IT... GO...?

Never. They will hold onto this idiotic "McCaskeys are cheap" narrative until the day they die - perpetual morons.

 

[The Hawk]

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black??

Yet, after Fox had time to evaluate the Roster, which he took time to do, he concluded that Marshall was not part of what he wanted moving forward with the Bears. The only reason people are still talking about it is White's injury. We can all agree that it wasn't Marshall's production, so it's clear it had to be something else.

Um...... How can you say that people are only talking about Marshall because White's injury? I'd say a shitload of people would have liked to have had Marshall's PRODUCTION as a member of the Bears and not the Jets. Others are talking because they think that the Bears should have drafted a different guy at 7 in that draft who could have been an immediate starter that they did not need if Marshall was retained.

 

[Ares]

So on top of his locker room outbreaks, his not talking to his QB for a year, his wanting to do TV shows every week, it also saved the Bears a good amount of money for their rebuild? I see, cool. However, I'm not sure you get the whole debate thing. :lol: Fool.

Talk about talking about something people are already talking about....

 

[ZenBear34]

Um...... How can you say that people are only talking about Marshall because White's injury? I'd say a shitload of people would have liked to have had Marshall's PRODUCTION as a member of the Bears and not the Jets. Others are talking because they think that the Bears should have drafted a different guy at 7 in that draft who could have been an immediate starter that they did not need if Marshall was retained.

It's easy to talk about the on field production when you don't have to deal with them personally on a day to day basis. Ever work with a sociopath? Someone who is unpredictable and volatile? Doesn't matter how good they are at their jobs. Interpersonal relationships are vital to any work place, and having to deal with a crazy person wears down everyone around them.

This is why three teams have moved on from one the elite receivers of his time despite his consistently awesome on field performance. That's not normal. Teams don't look for reasons to get rid of elite players.

 

[PeterMbangala]

Here's what you aren't getting. You are comparing the same place in the process while obviously stating they are in 2 separate spots.

In time, once this system and culture is fully established, maybe we end up drafting our future Brady and future Gronk, and can be in the same spot. But yes, we aren't there yet. What seems to be lost on you is that by holding onto guys who resist the culture and don't buy in just because they are immensely talented, it can not only hold back the process, but prevent it from ever really coalescing, in which case you end up with a divided locker room, with which it is incredibly hard to win a Superbowl with.

Ultimately, what will determine whether the process they are in works is Pace's draft picks. No question on that at all.

But in the meantime, yes, we have a bit of a purge going, and those who don't fit for whatever reason will be let go. That doesn't mean everyone will be gone (although given how talent deficient the Bears have been before Pace, that's not out of the realm of possibility in the long run), but it does mean some good players who don't fit will be shown the door, and it will be incumbent on Pace to replace them in the draft.

And those rookies will be coming into a culture from day 1 that is rubber stamped by the GM and coaches, thus helping them adapt and adopt that culture as well.

Personally, I think its insane to treat this as a bad thing... provided the Bears can get the talent they need in the draft.

I agree completely. I'm gutted that Slauson has gone in particular (could care less about Marty tbh) but the time to judge how this front office deals with vets is probably a few years down the line when players they've signed/who have fully bought in get closer to 30. Maybe then we start to look after these players.

Honestly, one of the many dispiriting things about watching the Bears the last thirty years has been watching how the few quality players we've had have been treated in latter part of their careers: left hanging on contracts, cut for peanuts and inferior players. I think this is partly why we get more butthurt when players like Forte and Slauson leave. It's a feeling of being stuck in a destructive cycle, and a sense that players look at how we treat players in their thirties and think "no thanks! ".

As a side note, I hope Fox and Pace don't always place character right at the top if the list. Sometimes you need the talented nutcase - at least any successful team I've been involved in has had a couple at least. A homogenous culture can only take you so far.

 

[Teddy KGB]

I agree completely. I'm gutted that Slauson has gone in particular (could care less about Marty tbh) but the time to judge how this front office deals with vets is probably a few years down the line when players they've signed/who have fully bought in get closer to 30. Maybe then we start to look after these players.

Honestly, one of the many dispiriting things about watching the Bears the last thirty years has been watching how the few quality players we've had have been treated in latter part of their careers: left hanging on contracts, cut for peanuts and inferior players. I think this is partly why we get more butthurt when players like Forte and Slauson leave. It's a feeling of being stuck in a destructive cycle, and a sense that players look at how we treat players in their thirties and think "no thanks! ".

As a side note, I hope Fox and Pace don't always place character right at the top if the list. Sometimes you need the talented nutcase - at least any successful team I've been involved in has had a couple at least. A homogenous culture can only take you so far.

Just a heads up, that is how almost all NFL teams treat their aging stars. very very rarely do people get to go out like a Ray Lewis or a Peyton Manning. Most of the time it's ugly and there's personal feelings hurt, and it isn't until some years past and Outreach is made that things mend and people are welcomed back into the fold. That seems to be the NFL Norm across all the teams. It is a Cutthroat business.

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[westcoast bear fanatic]

Only way I trade Alshon is if it's for a similar talented player who is seeking a similar size payday. But even then you have to think good and hard since the offense could be real thin without him. Trading him now for a future draft pick would not be wise.

 

[didshereallysaythat]

Only way I trade Alshon is if it's for a similar talented player who is seeking a similar size payday. But even then you have to think good and hard since the offense could be real thin without him. Trading him now for a future draft pick would not be wise.

Agreed. Now if the Browns offered their 2017 1st for Jeffery straight up, that would be hard to pass up. That could be the number 1 pick in the draft.

 

[The Hawk]

It's easy to talk about the on field production when you don't have to deal with them personally on a day to day basis. Ever work with a sociopath? Someone who is unpredictable and volatile? Doesn't matter how good they are at their jobs. Interpersonal relationships are vital to any work place, and having to deal with a crazy person wears down everyone around them.

This is why three teams have moved on from one the elite receivers of his time despite his consistently awesome on field performance. That's not normal. Teams don't look for reasons to get rid of elite players.

Marshall is a "sociopath"? Says who? What I see is a guy who had a mental disability or illness that was diagnosed and treated and he turned his entire life around. He sure as shit isn't crazy. Ever watch his show on Monday nights? He is a happy person, intelligent, and contributed to that show.

No sir, I think that this came down directly from the McCaskey family because Marshall challenged the other members of his team and coaching staff to man up and compete. His early years, he admittedly had mental issues which were diagnosed and treated and I think that it is short-sighted and immature to treat such people as lepers to be despised. I also believe that the guy started a couple of foundations to help similar people with mental conditions also.

You see, I do believe that mental disease is something that should not be despised but treated and it is no different from any other sort of disease. I have a lot of respect for Marshal and unless he does something stupid like in not taking his medication and gets into real trouble, then he someone who can be admired not mocked or despised.

 

[bamainatlanta]

Brandon Marshall...the difference maker that never makes a difference in the standings....lol

 

[xer0h0ur]

Brandon Marshall...the difference maker that never makes a difference in the standings....lol

You might as well be talking about Randy Moss on the Vikings, Calvin Johnson Jr. on the Lions, Larry Fitzgerald on the Cardinals, T.O. on the Cowboys etc. etc. etc. Its a team sport bub. One man a team does not make.

 

[bamainatlanta]

You might as well be talking about Randy Moss on the Vikings, Calvin Johnson Jr. on the Lions, Larry Fitzgerald on the Cardinals, T.O. on the Cowboys etc. etc. etc. Its a team sport bub. One man a team does not make.

all the more reason to move on from him....except those other guys made the playoffs.

 

[Calabis]

You might as well be talking about Randy Moss on the Vikings, Calvin Johnson Jr. on the Lions, Larry Fitzgerald on the Cardinals, T.O. on the Cowboys etc. etc. etc. Its a team sport bub. One man a team does not make.

All those receivers were ridiculous and very good. No they don't win by themselves, but they all make the defense roll to their side and make it a ton easier on their QBs.....Jay Cutler is the best Marshall has played with, yet he still produces....imagine what he could do with a QB capable of being in the top 10

 

[bamainatlanta]

All those receivers were ridiculous and very good. No they don't win by themselves, but they all make the defense roll to their side and make it a ton easier on their QBs.....Jay Cutler is the best Marshall has played with, yet he still produces....imagine what he could do with a QB capable of being in the top 10

Eh, he would still miss the playoffs.

 

[PeterMbangala]

Just a heads up, that is how almost all NFL teams treat their aging stars. very very rarely do people get to go out like a Ray Lewis or a Peyton Manning. Most of the time it's ugly and there's personal feelings hurt, and it isn't until some years past and Outreach is made that things mend and people are welcomed back into the fold. That seems to be the NFL Norm across all the teams. It is a Cutthroat business.

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You're probably right. It's just so different to sports in the UK where one club players are more common and they get testimonials (games for them where they take all the gate money). Not saying it's better or wiesr but the contrast is stark!

 

[Calabis]

Eh, he would still miss the playoffs.

I am mind boggled.....it's amazing how rebuild and get rid of talent that produces is a OK thing

 

[Mongo_76]

Ever work with a sociopath?

Wow...

Calling him a sociopath now..

This just keeps getting better with you apologists.

 

[Mongo_76]

all the more reason to move on from him....except those other guys made the playoffs.

Did you know Marshall is the only player in NFL history to be on 2 teams and help them to win 10 games (in the 16 game era) and not make the playoffs?

For the 1000th time, his shredding of DB's on the field is not why teams haven't made the playoffs. For anyone to even insinuate otherwise highlights how little the game you know.

So, please keep saying it....

 

[Bear Pride]

The TV show is his day off...what's next...players can't go to the bar?...Oh wait they can. Dude went on his day off and never said anything negative or what went on in locker room during that time. Whoopee Doo......let's get rid of probably our best offensive weapon because he did something that didn't hurt us on his off day. Oh and made Jay angry.....never mind that Jeffery still trained with him and I believe is doing it this year.

Was it his fault or Cutler's fault for no longer talking? Cutler has had guys like Urlacher talk about him as well....but let me guess he was a shit teammate and couldn't lead either. I love how we paint him as a innocent party. Hey blame everyone around him, it's easier that way.

Yet it's Marshall that keeps getting traded by his teams after good production. Good grief guys, there's a reason teams keep letting him go. Fox is know for being a stand up football guy, and didn't think Marshall was part of what he wanted to build. LOL@ fans that can't let this shit go!

 

[Calabis]

Yet it's Marshall that keeps getting traded by his teams after good production. Good grief guys, there's a reason teams keep letting him go. Fox is know for being a stand up football guy, and didn't think Marshall was part of what he wanted to build. LOL@ fans that can't let this shit go!

Lol here we go...the old teams traded excuse.....again he got in trouble off the field with those teams...some criminal some not...his crime here...Jay Cutler call out and a TV show....u nailed it