Barney back, Davis gone

[dabynsky]

Wells hasnt done anything really since rookie year. This is 2nd straight year he is struggling. Yes i also think Coleman should be given rest of starts

Didn't realize a 4.26 ERA was nothing. I would have been real happy to just get that guy this year. While Wells wasn't close to as good in 2010 as he was in 2009 we really have to stop saying that Wells hasn't been a more than solid backend of the rotation starter (excluding this year with the injury).

 

[daddies3angels]

Didn't realize a 4.26 ERA was nothing. I would have been real happy to just get that guy this year. While Wells wasn't close to as good in 2010 as he was in 2009 we really have to stop saying that Wells hasn't been a more than solid backend of the rotation starter (excluding this year with the injury).

I also use the eye test with Wells and nothing sticks out to me. He doesnt have good stuff, seems to be nibbling all the time. He gives up alot of baserunners and i dont see him getting any better anytime soon.

 

[waldo7239117]

Wells has been very good or very bad...nothing really in the middle. To say the least VERY inconsistent.

 

[dabynsky]

Wells has been very good or very bad...nothing really in the middle. To say the least VERY inconsistent.

Do you guys really not remember 2010.

Look I don't have an explanation for why he is this bad this year. I and a number of people have speculated that he isn't fully healthy. It isn't unheard of a guy that had to fight for a rotation spot to hide that he isn't a 100% to try to reclaim his spot. As is right now, I don't think anyone would give us top prospects for a struggling SP (even under team control for 3 years), and so we are better off seeing if he can be the guy the past two years because that is damn solid 4th starter.

 

[waldo7239117]

I'm not looking atb the months...because it doers make sense. 1 start he's excellent, next start he sucks, next good, next sucks...so era for the same month does make sense. Sorry that Cards game from last year still drives me nuts.

 

[poodski]

I'm not looking atb the months...because it doers make sense. 1 start he's excellent, next start he sucks, next good, next sucks...so era for the same month does make sense. Sorry that Cards game from last year still drives me nuts.

I think you will find most non-ace pitchers to be this way. Hell Doug Davis is this way I mean he shut down the Yankees.

Even Garza who has been great since middle of April has a few starts in there that he has given up 5 or 6 runs.

 

[dabynsky]

I'm not looking atb the months...because it doers make sense. 1 start he's excellent, next start he sucks, next good, next sucks...so era for the same month does make sense. Sorry that Cards game from last year still drives me nuts.

Actually I was wrong about the month to month thing. He had a great April, July, and September with poor May, June, and August. I think a lot of that can be explained by him going through periods of dead arm with being overused in 09. I think a lot of the negative feelings towards Wells comes from his amazing rookie season. There was no way he was going to be able to repeat those numbers, and since then he has been a disappointment because he can't be the ace that some thought he might be because of that season.

 

[FirstTimer]

I think you will find most non-ace pitchers to be this way. Hell Doug Davis is this way I mean he shut down the Yankees.

Even Garza who has been great since middle of April has a few starts in there that he has given up 5 or 6 runs.

LOL at comparing Doug Davis having ONE good startand finishing 1-7 with a mid 6's ERA to Randy Wells being good every other start and having and ERA over two runs lower.

Are you really trying to defend Wells mediocrity/inconsistancy with Davis' shittiness?

 

[dabynsky]

LOL at comparing Doug Davis having ONE good startand finishing 1-7 with a mid 6's ERA to Randy Wells being good every other start and having and ERA over two runs lower.

Are you really trying to defend Wells mediocrity/inconsistancy with Davis' shittiness?

In the interest of statistical accuracy, Wells' ERA is only .25 runs lower than Doug Davis at this point. Also Wells has been pretty much bad since he got back from injury. Here are his starts this year:
6 IP 1 ER
injury
4 IP 5 ER
5.2 IP 4 ER
2.1 3 ER
6 IP 2 ER
6 IP 4 ER
6 IP 6 ER

I see since the injury one quality start surrounded by varying levels of bad.

 

[FirstTimer]

In the interest of statistical accuracy,.

In the interest of context Waldo was referencing last season..he even specifically mentions the Cardinals game.

Well's ERA last season was 4.26.

 

[dabynsky]

In the interest of context Waldo was referencing last season..he even specifically mentions the Cardinals game.

Well's ERA last season was 4.26.

Sorry that I didn't place your quote in the right context. Silly me to think that when you use the word mediocrity that you might actually be referring to a mediocre season.

 

[FirstTimer]

Sorry that I didn't place your quote in the right context. Silly me to think that when you use the word mediocrity that you might actually be referring to a mediocre season.

LULZ...

I was referring to a mediocore season.....LAST SEASON...for Christsakes.

waldo mentions a bunch of starts. Someone else mentions his months from last year. waldo mentions a specific start last year.

Poods dumb ass brings up Doug Davis and compares him while quoting waldo mentioning last season.

How you thought I was referring to Well's current season is beyond me.

 

[dabynsky]

LULZ...

I was referring to a mediocore season.....LAST SEASON...for Christsakes.

waldo mentions a bunch of starts. Someone else mentions his months from last year. waldo mentions a specific start last year.

Poods dumb ass brings up Doug Davis and compares him while quoting waldo mentioning last season.

How you thought I was referring to Well's current season is beyond me.

Guess we have a different defintion of the word mediocre since I don't consider a SP with ERA+ over 100 mediocre.

 

[FirstTimer]

Guess we have a different defintion of the word mediocre since I don't consider a SP with ERA+ over 100 mediocre.

His ERA+ was 101. Big deal.

He was 8-14. His ERA was 4.26. His WHIP was 1.4

Again we have to cover this? Using ONE stat to measure a player is patently absurd. Hell his ERA+ alone made him the worst regular starter the Cubs had last season on a pitching staff that rarely ranked in the Top 10 in most catagories for the NL.

 

[FirstTimer]

To follow up with that. 100 is typically seen as average. Wells ERA+ last season was 101. I'd say that falls pretty nicely into the definition of mediocre.

In summation: What the hell are you talking about?

 

[dabynsky]

His ERA+ was 101. Big deal.

He was 8-14. His ERA was 4.26. His WHIP was 1.4

Again we have to cover this? Using ONE stat to measure a player is patently absurd. Hell his ERA+ alone made him the worst regular starter the Cubs had last season on a pitching staff that rarely ranked in the Top 10 in most catagories for the NL.

Really coming out strong using W-L to prove that he was terrible. He was only one of 37 pitchers last year that threw over 180 IP. Amongst qualifiers he ranked 37 in ERA, 32 in ERA+, 38 in WHIP. If by having a mediocre season, you meant that he wasn't a top 3 SP then fine I concede. However, to act like that he was well below average because of a 4.26 ERA and 1.4 WHIP is wrong.

 

[FirstTimer]

However, to act like that he was well below average .

I'm now convinced that in order to be a new poster here you have to first fail a simple reading test.

I've never once labeled Wells as "below average", "well below average" "bad" etc. So how you are operating from that assumption I have no idea.

I labeled him mediocre. You then said that a pitcher with an "ERA+ of over 100 isn't mediocre"..Yet by the definition of the stat 100 is considered "average"...Wells ERA+ last season? 101. How was he NOT mediocre?

Factoring in all stats Wells was mediocre last season.

Hence why I referenced his "mediocrity" in my post that triggered your first response.

Did you even read what I typed?

 

[poodski]

Really coming out strong using W-L to prove that he was terrible. He was only one of 37 pitchers last year that threw over 180 IP. Amongst qualifiers he ranked 37 in ERA, 32 in ERA+, 38 in WHIP. If by having a mediocre season, you meant that he wasn't a top 3 SP then fine I concede. However, to act like that he was well below average because of a 4.26 ERA and 1.4 WHIP is wrong.

I hope you are starting to see why I asked you nicely not to quote him.

 

[dabynsky]

I'm now convinced that in order to be a new poster here you have to first fail a simple reading test.

I've never once labeled Wells as "below average", "well below average" "bad" etc. So how you are operating from that assumption I have no idea.

I labeled him mediocre. You then said that a pitcher with an "ERA+ of over 100 isn't mediocre"..Yet by the definition of the stat 100 is considered "average"...Wells ERA+ last season? 101. How was he NOT mediocre?

Factoring in all stats Wells was mediocre last season.

Hence why I referenced his "mediocrity" in my post that triggered your first response.

Did you even read what I typed?

Mediocre means of moderate or low quality, value, ability, or performance. I will give it to you if you meant that Randy Wells was ordinary last year, and you are right you post was referencing Waldo talking about last year. I saw the word mediocre and I assumed you meant the second part of the definition, of low quality, since you were being disparaging about Wells performance last year (use of the word inconsistent behind mediocrity).

 

[FirstTimer]

Mediocre means of moderate or low quality, value, ability, or performance.

I can use dictionary.com/google too.

Mediocre comes from the latin for "middle"

Some synonyms: common, fair, indifferent, medium, middling, ordinary, passable, run-of-the-mill, run-of-the-mine (or run-of-mine), second-class, second-rate, so-so

First definition: of only ordinary or moderate quality; neither good nor bad; barely adequate.

Related Words for : mediocre
poor, second-rate, average, fair, middling

HOLY SHIT!

I will give it to you if you meant that Randy Wells was ordinary last year, and you are right you post was referencing Waldo talking about last year. I saw the word mediocre and I assumed you meant the second part of the definition, of low quality, since you were being disparaging about Wells performance last year (use of the word inconsistent behind mediocrity).

Well what do you think lead to the overall mediocrity?

I hope you are starting to see why I asked you nicely not to quote him.

LOLat poodski quoting this literally right before dabynsky "agrees" with me.