Bears are 1st in the NFL with 32 sacks as a team

[remydat]

The difference in PFR and PFF is that PFF is more liberal in what constitutes as a Hurry. And nothing wrong with blitzing more if your scheme supports it and can handle it with the blitzes getting there more often than not. To argue that sacks are more important than consistent pressure is incredibly ignorant. More pressure means more mistakes.

You are creating straw men. I never claimed sacks are more important than consistent pressure. I stated a fact that the Dolphins have more pressures because they blitz almost twice as much. I stated a fact they can blitz more because they have a good secondary.

You are somehow expecting Desai to either generate pressure with a 4 man rush and without Mack or to blitz and leave Vildor exposed.

Vildor has a 136.5 passer rating against with the Bears blitzing the 5th lowest. An increase in blitzes would result in Vildor being torched even more.

 

[remydat]

pass rush win rate is a meaningless thing. Doesn't mean anything if you aren't applying pressure to the QB.

Um no. Pass Rush win rate shows that the problem is not the pash rusher. If you are consistently beating your guy in under 2.5 seconds but not getting pressures then it means the secondary is given up passes too quickly.

Last year Quin would beat his guy in 2.5 seconds but the QB would just dump it off because again Pagano had the secondary play off coverage.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

More misleading spin. Id bet anything he got pressure at a good percentage, I’d bet anything you’re using total pressures which is obviously going to skew the stat. But that’s what you want so whatever.

Bears weren't even in top 20 in pressure % last year so don't know why you keep making these losing bets. You were proven wrong, real wrong. Don't be a ***** about it.

 

[pablovi]

Anyone can coach great players, but no one can coach horrible players. There's A difference between a player who does their job, one who does things above and beyond their job, and ones who are incapable of doing their job.

The Bears have a talent problem. I have said this consistently about both sides of the ball. Most fans seem to think coaches have some magic ability to change a person into something else. Everybody's doing the same thing. There's no secret scheme or play call that's going to magically turn a terrible player into a star.

Coaches have very little impact on the game. Talent is all that matters, specifically talent at premier positions.

70% of this players were here with Fangio, and even Pagano, and both made them play better.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

Um no. Pass Rush win rate shows that the problem is not the pash rusher. If you are consistently beating your guy in under 2.5 seconds but not getting pressures then it means the secondary is given up passes too quickly.

Last year Quin would beat his guy in 2.5 seconds but the QB would just dump it off because again Pagano had the secondary play off coverage.

Um, no. Pass rush win rate is meaningless cause it is measured over 2.5 seconds of the play. Blockers may not be required to hold blocks that long and if that player isn't in the area the play is going to, nobody cares about him anyway. Pressure is a bottom line thing. Pass rush win rate is a fanboy type thing.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

70% of this players were here with Fangio, and even Pagano, and both made them play better.

Defense is at it's worst, right now. It's a fact these clowns want to skirt around.

 

[pablovi]

Pass yards are a problem. You are delusional to say otherwise. The Bears have given up massive plays in the pass game dude due to shitty secondary play. That also includes Jackson. Teams pass more than they run and big plays in the pass game are easier to come by.

The issue with this D is the explosive pkays they five up in the passing game even if overall their passing stats look decent. Go look at any Bears loss and the key component in that loss was lapses in the secondary.

It doesnt matter what was said. What matters is the reality. Fangio nor Pagano had a CB with a 137 passing rating against.

Mack is going to miss more games this year than he has in his previous seasons combined for the Bears. Hicks looks old and Goldman is still trying to get his shit together after a year off. DT used to be a decent LB and now we are relying on a guy that just came to camp to watch the Olympics.

Pretending like this is the same team as if players don't decline in 1 year is laughable. It is like watching Lovie's D towards rhe end and pretending like Briggs was the same guy.

They’re 10th in pass yards. That’s not a problem. 8th in passing first downs.

No, that issue you mentioned was only in the last 3 game loses. And it was because of a terrible scheme, again, in the last loss, the opposing team had to score a TD, with less than a minute on the clock, and he calls for stacking the line and pressure, instead of max protection. That on itself is stupid, doing it with, like you said, a sub par secondary, it’s demented.

 

[remydat]

Um, no. Pass rush win rate is meaningless cause it is measured over 2.5 seconds of the play. Blockers may not be required to hold blocks that long and if that player isn't in the area the play is going to, nobody cares about him anyway. Pressure is a bottom line thing. Pass rush win rate is a fanboy type thing.

Lol at just making up assumptions to suit your narrative. Pass Rush win rate is quite correlated with guys getting pressures hence why anomalies like Quinn are noticeable. Guys like Watt and Donald typically lead in the stat.

Further it was proven correct here. I said before the season Quinn would rebound given his pass rush win rate and he now has 11 sacks.

 

[remydat]

They’re 10th in pass yards. That’s not a problem. 8th in passing first downs.

No, that issue you mentioned was only in the last 3 game loses. And it was because of a terrible scheme, again, in the last loss, the opposing team had to score a TD, with less than a minute on the clock, and he calls for stacking the line and pressure, instead of max protection. That on itself is stupid, doing it with, like you said, a sub par secondary, it’s demented.

Did the Ravens beat us passing or running on the last drive? What about the Steelers the week before? Or the Bucs or the Rams. We have given up big plays in the pass game last year.

You are simply wrong. On the last drive against the Ravens, Vildor had safety help on 2 of the big plays and was the deep.guy in cover 3 on the other play. You are making shit up.

 

[remydat]

This is the PI play. It is clear safety help.

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These next 2 are the sideline play. This is clear cover 3 and Vildor has from the hash to the sideline. He has a S deep middle. His main job is to protect the sideline. This is what Quinn means by do your 1/11. The WR is cutting inside, it is not his man. Instead he follows the dude and in the 2nd image Duvernay releases outside and because Vildor has not maintained the Cover 3, it is a completion. This is basic. You dont go chasing the dude inside if you are one of the outside deep DBs in a Cover 3.

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And this is the blown coverage. Vildor follows the guy on the cross. There again is safety help deep and look at Quinn bearing down. If Vildor had just guarded his man, Huntley likely doesnt risk the throw and possibly takes the sack. Instead Watkins is so open that Hutley can easily make this play before the S can get over the top.

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You cant win with this CB play. Dude fucks up when he has S help and dude fucks up when he is the fucking deep guy and only has a third of the field to cover.

@pablovi How can you lie and say they Desai was pressuring? The 3 big pass plays.

1. Vildor commits PI despite having deep help.

2. Vildor is playing Cover 3 and has the deep sidelines and bites on inside route.

3. Vildor has S help but forgets to actually guard Watkins.

You are making shit up claiming they played presure. Cover 3 literally means 3 deep zones. Vildor had S help on the other 2 plays and fucked it up. It is clear you dont know what you are talking about here.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

Lol at just making up assumptions to suit your narrative. Pass Rush win rate is quite correlated with guys getting pressures hence why anomalies like Quinn are noticeable. Guys like Watt and Donald typically lead in the stat.

Further it was proven correct here. I said before the season Quinn would rebound given his pass rush win rate and he now has 11 sacks.

Guys like Donald and Watt typically lead in pressures. Both were in top 3 last season. Pass rush win rate is a BS thing for people who have no other valid argument. Did he get pressure, yes or no. Answer for Quinn and Bears is clearly No.

 

[remydat]

Guys like Donald and Watt typically lead in pressures. Both were in top 3 last season. Pass rush win rate is a BS thing for people who have no other valid argument. Did he get pressure, yes or no. Answer for Quinn and Bears is clearly No.

I can't teach statistics and correlation to you on CCS. Pass Rush win rate suggested the issue with Quinn last year was bad luck and poor coverage. That has been proven correct this year. If you dont understand statistical analysis then just say so.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

Did the Ravens beat us passing or running on the last drive? What about the Steelers the week before? Or the Bucs or the Rams. We have given up big plays in the pass game last year.

You are simply wrong. On the last drive against the Ravens, Vildor had safety help on 2 of the big plays and was the deep.guy in cover 3 on the other play. You are making shit up.

You mean did they depend on their backup UFA first time starting QB or no? Hahaha. Your argument is ridiculous.

 

[remydat]

You mean did they depend on their backup UFA first time starting QB or no? Hahaha. Your argument is ridiculous.

I already showed that Vildor was responsible for all of the **** ups on the last drive.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

I can't teach statistics and correlation to you on CCS. Pass Rush win rate suggested the issue with Quinn last year was bad luck and poor coverage. That has been proven correct this year. If you dont understand statistical analysis then just say so.

You can get off your blocker within 2.5 seconds and still get nowhere near the QB in time which means you're still a non-factor. It's really that simple. Does he get consistent pressure or not? NOT

 

[remydat]

You can get off your blocker within 2.5 seconds and still get nowhere near the QB in time which means you're still a non-factor. It's really that simple. Does he get consistent pressure or not? NOT

And you can get off your block within 2.5 seconds and not get pressure because the secondary gave up completion.

You have offered no means to distinguish between those 2 scenarios.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

I already showed that Vildor was responsible for all of the **** ups on the last drive.

So, you'd like to give the pass rush credit for earlier in the game but give them a complete golden pass when they laid down on the final drive? More remy ridiculousness.

 

[remydat]

So, you'd like to give the pass rush credit for earlier in the game but give them a complete golden pass when they laid down on the final drive? More remy ridiculousness.

Um the pass rush pressured Huntley on those plays. The problem Vildor made it easy for the pass to be completed. Quinn clearly flushes Huntley and likely would have sacked him if not for the fact Vildor left Watkins unguarded.

So again you guys just say dumb shit without bothering to watch the game. You are crying about pressure then when the D provides it blaming the DL for Vildor gaving up the easy play.

 

[Aesopian]

Their D has looked like absolute crap at times, ok at other times vs lesser opponents. When the game is on the line, you know damn well you can't trust them.

Only so much that can be done with bad talent.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

And you can get off your block within 2.5 seconds and not get pressure because the secondary gave up completion.

You have offered no means to distinguish between those 2 scenarios.

Get to the QB, hurry him, make him throw before it's there....yeah, I laid it out for you. Bears do NOT cause consistent pressure which affords opposing QBs better opportunities.

No secret. Very straight forward. QBs struggle against teams who give them more consistent pressure.