Bears entertaining trade offers for TE Martellus Bennett

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Do you wish that they had?

That doesn't answer my question. Perhaps when you are done making awful comparisons between the 85 Bears and the 15 Bears you can answer it.

 

[Aquineas]

That doesn't answer my question. Perhaps when you are done making awful comparisons between the 85 Bears and the 15 Bears you can answer it.

1. I never compared the 85 Bears team with the 2015 Bears team, you did.
2. Why not go on the record and answer the question?

 

[sevvy]

He didn't get enough. It was a dumb move and weakened an already weak team. Thus far, Pace's moves have been C-. IF he drafts a receiver with the first pick, that grade drops to D-.

Lol D-

I think you're in the minority on this one.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

1. I never compared the 85 Bears team with the 2015 Bears team, you did.
2. Why not go on the record and answer the question?

I don't give a shit one way or the other if Bennett is on the team next year. Your bringing up the 85 team and their personalities has not basis in this discussion.

 

[rextc]

Trade him to Arizona for some picks next year. They need a tight end

 

[Aquineas]

I don't give a shit one way or the other if Bennett is on the team next year. Your bringing up the 85 team and their personalities has not basis in this discussion.

Which do you have a problem with:

1. The 85 Bears team was full of characters who broke rules all the time and didn't give a crap about playing "nice" in the locker room or anywhere else
2. That Bennett is for whatever reason not liked by some posters here and people want to see the top pass TE pass catcher in the league traded for a third round pick?

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Which do you have a problem with:

1. The 85 Bears team was full of characters who broke rules all the time and didn't give a crap about playing "nice" in the locker room or anywhere else
2. That Bennett is for whatever reason not liked by some posters here and people want to see the top pass TE pass catcher in the league traded?

I have a problem equating two teams 30 years apart, where a good percentage of this current team wasn't old enough to experience.

 

[Aquineas]

I have a problem equating two teams 30 years apart, where a good percentage of this current team wasn't old enough to experience.

So you have a problem with your own strawman; sounds like that's something you can work through on your own. For clarity, my point then and now is, someone having strong opinions and expressing them does not mean they should be traded away for a third round pick. If that were the case, then 1985 would have never happened.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

So you have a problem with your own strawman; sounds like that's something you can work through on your own. For clarity, my point then and now is, someone having strong opinions and expressing them does not mean they should be traded away for a third round pick. If that were the case, then 1985 would have never happened.

Ahh, because we can certainly make the case that the NFL in 2015 is the same as it was in 1985. Did it ever occur that perhaps it's not Bennett (or Marshall for that matter) having the strong opinion that is the problem, but rather how the younger players on the team may take to it?

And for clarity, you are the one that brought the 85 Bears into this discussion.

 

[Aquineas]

Ahh, because we can certainly make the case that the NFL in 2015 is the same as it was in 1985.

Another strawman. Along with false-cause, and black-or-white for good measure.

In any case if I'm understanding you correctly, you feel as though Bennett's opinions potentially negatively affect the younger players in the locker room, would that more-or-less summarize it?

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

I refer you to the first sentence in post #244

 

[PeterMbangala]

Jesus, you can't really compare character issues, playing ability or anything between two teams thirty years apart, in radically different stages of development and playing ability. Even if you could, I suspect what is acceptable in a locker room now is slightly different to what it was back then. Society changes and social media and media in general has inflated small issues beyond all recognition or value. Even if the Bears had a Marshall-type player back then, and they certainly had a few "characters", they probably didn't have someone with outside media commitments who was offering out people on Twitter and taking over pressers to talk about their mental health.

Aside from that obvious comment, I don't think Pace is completely averse to having players with a bit of a mouth on them but like any GM, he'll be constantly running a risk-benefit analysis on them and seeing if the noise is worth it on the field and in the salary cap. Anyone that's played in a successful sports team knows that you don't need to be get on that great with everyone or have a homogenous locker room of robots. But you do need one thing: respect. As long as Bennett has the respect of his team mates and his work ethic is good, I wouldn't trade him. If Pace feels either or both are slipping and he continues to miss out the voluntary work outs, then he's asking for trouble sadly.

 

[Bearly]

Bennett being available is to sober him up. If he wants to get paid $7m somewhere let him try and get it plus the value of someone worth that in return. No less than a mid 2. If he can't make that happen, he knows his true worth.

 

[PeterMbangala]

Bennett being available is to sober him up. If he wants to get paid $7m somewhere let him try and get it plus the value of someone worth that in return. No less than a mid 2. If he can't make that happen, he knows his true worth.

Yep, agree with this. I want to keep him but I can't imagine Pace and Fox are going to be held to ransom over it, particularly as they are trying to build a new team ethos after Trestman.

 

[Aquineas]

Another strawman. Along with false-cause, and black-or-white for good measure.

In any case if I'm understanding you correctly, you feel as though Bennett's opinions potentially negatively affect the younger players in the locker room, would that more-or-less summarize it?

I used the 1985 Bears team to make the point that they had personalities and they managed to win with those personalities. I believe that assertion stands true today just as it stood true then. It's possible to have a team of strong personalities as long as there is strong leadership to guide the ship. Please note that is not directly comparing the teams.

I also stand by the claim that I believe, based on what I know right now, that it would be a mistake to trade Martellus Bennett for a 3rd round pick because he has a strong personality. If anything, his comment last year about "not having an ounce of ***** in him", reflects an attitude that the Bears need more of.

 

[Newblood]

Ahh, because we can certainly make the case that the NFL in 2015 is the same as it was in 1985. Did it ever occur that perhaps it's not Bennett (or Marshall for that matter) having the strong opinion that is the problem, but rather how the younger players on the team may take to it?

And for clarity, you are the one that brought the 85 Bears into this discussion.

Jesus, you can't really compare character issues, playing ability or anything between two teams thirty years apart, in radically different stages of development and playing ability. Even if you could, I suspect what is acceptable in a locker room now is slightly different to what it was back then. Society changes and social media and media in general has inflated small issues beyond all recognition or value. Even if the Bears had a Marshall-type player back then, and they certainly had a few "characters", they probably didn't have someone with outside media commitments who was offering out people on Twitter and taking over pressers to talk about their mental health.

Aside from that obvious comment, I don't think Pace is completely averse to having players with a bit of a mouth on them but like any GM, he'll be constantly running a risk-benefit analysis on them and seeing if the noise is worth it on the field and in the salary cap. Anyone that's played in a successful sports team knows that you don't need to be get on that great with everyone or have a homogenous locker room of robots. But you do need one thing: respect. As long as Bennett has the respect of his team mates and his work ethic is good, I wouldn't trade him. If Pace feels either or both are slipping and he continues to miss out the voluntary work outs, then he's asking for trouble sadly.

I think you guys are reading into it to much. I believe all he was saying is, you can't have (nor do you need) a locker room full of saints to have a winning organization.
Pretty sure he wasn't comparing the '85 and current team together, but purely using them as a point of fact.

I don't really want to get involved in this debate. Just saying how I interpreted it. Which, if I interpreted correctly, I agree with (I know that doesn't mean much). :shrug:

 

[JesusHalasChrist]

It's depressing that people have to cite a team from thirty fucking years ago as an example of a good bears team.

 

[PAPABEAR77]

it's depressing that people have to cite a team from thirty fucking years ago as an example of a good bears team.

it could be worse if we were browns fans

 

[FireFox]

It's depressing that people have to cite a team from thirty fucking years ago as an example of a good bears team.

Exactly.

 

[FireFox]

it could be worse if we were browns fans

No. It can't be worse. We are the most storied franchise with one fucking super bowl win. One. Every Bears reference ever references one team. A team from thirty years ago. It is so fucking annoying.