Bears move up to pick 5

[Alterego]

I just explained it. 60 is just an arbitrary number. There are 63 picks in the first round this year so no idea why you would cut off at 60 rather than just say they have 2 picks in the first 2 rounds.

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Also not even sure you are correct. This has the Ravens at 60 but that includes the Dolphins 1st round pick that they forfeited so it appears they draft 59 at the moment not 61. Are we going to change it now to say they only have 1 pick in the top 50?

Holy expansion teams Batman

 

[remydat]

Sure, if you want.

The point is that there’s a big gulf between their first pick (beginning of the first round) and their second pick (end of the second round), so don’t look for the Bears to trade back much, except maybe with that first pick and some late-round volume.

Not sure that is really true though. Poles did a lot of trades given limited draft capital last year. If he trades the first pick and gets a 2nd round and thus has two 2nd rounders then he can trade one of them again if a deal to his liking comes up. It may also be the case that after they finish their draft evaluation process they determine there isn't a huge gap between the guys available with their Ravens pick and the guys available in the 3rd round which would make a trade down more likely. Other teams with less holes may be willing to move up because they are targeting a specific player or position. We might be willing to trade down to accumulate more quantity because we have needs all over the place. So think it is way too early to pretend we can predict what Poles is going to do. Too many variables this early in the process.

 

[remydat]

Can't argue with that at all.

The issue with Will is his fit in our defensive scheme. I am all for drafting BPA and if it's not a perfect fit, figuring out how to modify a scheme to fit an elite talent but Will is primarily an outside Rush 3-4 backer. That is a very tough fit to move into a 4-3 (boderline 4-2-5 is what we really run). Our backers are asked to play a lot in coverage - can Will Anderson do that at a high level (asking because I don't watch a ton of Bama games).

At only 235-240 pounds, he is too small to line up as a DE consistently in our front 4. Now, if Flus is thinking of modifying his defense to almost more of a 5-1-5 where Will is lining up more on the line either rushing the passer or checking the TE/RB in the flat, then it could work.

I just don't know if Will would really work in the type of defense that we run. Now, any of the top Interior DL would be perfect fits (kid from Georgia and Clemson).

If we were to finish Top 3, I would love a trade with Seattle, starting with #8 and #20, because at #8, we would have our pick of the top O-linemen and at 20 could draft WR/CB/Oline again

Flus' D is one gap so the DL's main goal is to rush the passer and stop the run on the way to the QB so they tend to use smaller DEs than a 2 gap 4-3. So more than likely Anderson players DE in our scheme. Ideally probably would want him to be around 250 or so. By way of comparison, Mack was 251 coming out and Anderson is listed at 243.

 

[Dstone5553]

So many teams with 3 losses. Why was I rooting to beat Lovie so much? That was a bad game to win in hindsight.

I've never in my life looked at a season this way but I started about a month ago, wanted to kill Pinero for missing that chip shot in the final seconds.

Hard to imagine this team winning more than 2 games the rest of the way and pretty easy to imagine them only winning one.

 

[DB012031]

Flus' D is one gap so the DL's main goal is to rush the passer and stop the run on the way to the QB so they tend to use smaller DEs than a 2 gap 4-3. So more than likely Anderson players DE in our scheme. Ideally probably would want him to be around 250 or so. By way of comparison, Mack was 251 coming out and Anderson is listed at 243.

Solid points, thanks man -

 

[Toast88]

Not sure that is really true though. Poles did a lot of trades given limited draft capital last year. If he trades the first pick and gets a 2nd round and thus has two 2nd rounders then he can trade one of them again if a deal to his liking comes up. It may also be the case that after they finish their draft evaluation process they determine there isn't a huge gap between the guys available with their Ravens pick and the guys available in the 3rd round which would make a trade down more likely. Other teams with less holes may be willing to move up because they are targeting a specific player or position. We might be willing to trade down to accumulate more quantity because we have needs all over the place. So think it is way too early to pretend we can predict what Poles is going to do. Too many variables this early in the process.

Ok, cool. Thanks

 

[r1terrell23]

I hate this draft thought. While yes trade down makes sense, the Bears can't just unilaterally make a trade down lol. Everyone just assumes this is an option. They have to find someone willing to move up to #3, which will be a haul. If the Bears end up at 3 and the top two QBs go 1-2, it's going to depend on who is in slots 4-8 and if they need to QB enough to leap another team. As of right now, after the Bears is Raiders, Seattle, Detroit, Houston, Pitt.

Houston will take a QB #1. Pitt just took a QB. So, the Bears would need to hope that Seattle or Detroit end up in a position that they feel like they need to move to #3 to leap whoever is at #4. Maybe the Packers/Indy/Atlanta make a move up if they are in the middle of the draft. Still a lot of football left, so we will see how it ends up.

I really envision a scenario that the Bears don't receive many offers and just end up taking Will Anderson.

Rule #1- Never trade down with division rival to help them draft a QB.

 

[remydat]

Ok, cool. Thanks

Your welcome.

 

[mattb78]

Anderson just seems like that protoypical edge player that is going to give you a minimum 8-10 sacks per season. Of all the selections it feels like he automatically makes the team better than anyone else you could add because of his athletic floor.

Bears probably come up one or two picks short of drafting him. Seems like we have just landed out of the range of bluechippers when we draft high.

 

[hyatt151]

But the difference in value between pick #2-#4 can be immense.

That's your reason to tank. Especially considering that our SOS screws us on tie break situations.

bears sit at #3 right now, if Yong and Stroud go 1 and 2, we'd be better off going with Anderson or best OL

 

[Enasic]

Can't argue with that at all.

The issue with Will is his fit in our defensive scheme. I am all for drafting BPA and if it's not a perfect fit, figuring out how to modify a scheme to fit an elite talent but Will is primarily an outside Rush 3-4 backer. That is a very tough fit to move into a 4-3 (boderline 4-2-5 is what we really run). Our backers are asked to play a lot in coverage - can Will Anderson do that at a high level (asking because I don't watch a ton of Bama games).

At only 235-240 pounds, he is too small to line up as a DE consistently in our front 4. Now, if Flus is thinking of modifying his defense to almost more of a 5-1-5 where Will is lining up more on the line either rushing the passer or checking the TE/RB in the flat, then it could work.

I just don't know if Will would really work in the type of defense that we run. Now, any of the top Interior DL would be perfect fits (kid from Georgia and Clemson).

If we were to finish Top 3, I would love a trade with Seattle, starting with #8 and #20, because at #8, we would have our pick of the top O-linemen and at 20 could draft WR/CB/Oline again

This all makes sense but I’d rather have a 2024 1st than the #20 this year

 

[remydat]

This all makes sense but I’d rather have a 2024 1st than the #20 this year

Hmm not sure that makes sense as Seattle is likely to improve so next year's pick may be worse.

 

[wazzupi]

Can't argue with that at all.

The issue with Will is his fit in our defensive scheme. I am all for drafting BPA and if it's not a perfect fit, figuring out how to modify a scheme to fit an elite talent but Will is primarily an outside Rush 3-4 backer. That is a very tough fit to move into a 4-3 (boderline 4-2-5 is what we really run). Our backers are asked to play a lot in coverage - can Will Anderson do that at a high level (asking because I don't watch a ton of Bama games).

At only 235-240 pounds, he is too small to line up as a DE consistently in our front 4. Now, if Flus is thinking of modifying his defense to almost more of a 5-1-5 where Will is lining up more on the line either rushing the passer or checking the TE/RB in the flat, then it could work.

I just don't know if Will would really work in the type of defense that we run. Now, any of the top Interior DL would be perfect fits (kid from Georgia and Clemson).

If we were to finish Top 3, I would love a trade with Seattle, starting with #8 and #20, because at #8, we would have our pick of the top O-linemen and at 20 could draft WR/CB/Oline again

You've never watched will Anderson.

 

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You've never watched will Anderson.

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[wazzupi]

You've never seen a woman naked.

Only your mom if she is a women. That's up to you to decide.

 

[ZOMBIE@CTESPN]

Only your mom if she is a women. That's up to you to decide.

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[Enasic]

Hmm not sure that makes sense as Seattle is likely to improve so next year's pick may be worse.

Was speaking more generally, but I’m not convinced Seattle would be improved anyways. Maybe #8, 2nd, 2024 1st, 2024 3rd

 

[remydat]

Only your mom if she is a women. That's up to you to decide.

Are you suggesting you had relations with someone and you weren't sure if they were a male or female? You should confirm next time.

 

[remydat]

Was speaking more generally, but I’m not convinced Seattle would be improved anyways. Maybe #8, 2nd, 2024 1st, 2024 3rd

That division is in flux as Rams appear to have gotten old, Cards are a shit show and Niners continue to be injury prone and may be starting Lance next year coming off of injury. Seattle is young and they have draft capital and 50m in cap space.

Having said that I would take a 2nd this year and a 1st next but hoping we can get a Lance like return where it is 3 first rounders.

 

[Enasic]

That division is in flux as Rams appear to have gotten old, Cards are a shit show and Niners continue to be injury prone and may be starting Lance next year coming off of injury. Seattle is young and they have draft capital and 50m in cap space.

Having said that I would take a 2nd this year and a 1st next but hoping we can get a Lance like return where it is 3 first rounders.

Same. That’s the type of haul I’m hoping for. That type of deal is in the realm of possibility depending where the chips fall. If they can’t get a kings ransom, I’d still like a trade down if possible either way. Other than perhaps Will Anderson, there’s really no one in the top 5 that makes me think “must draft.”