Bears Need to Keep On Keeping On

[WCL]

And last week the defense gave up Zero total Tds until the last minute or two of the game. Both the Detroit and Minnesota games should have been won and were totally there for the taking. I have two problems with this team right now, and they are how we are finishing these games and special teams. The special teams part of it is obvious, and we are spoiled from a history of having great special teams until a few years ago.

In our last two games in particular, in the last few minutes or defense falls apart, and the offense can't get a first down. If we could do either of those two things, we are
4-3 right now instead of 2-5.

You must be able to see the massive improvement in our defense.

The problem with special teams is that we've got guys who should be backups starting which means that our backups are guys who shouldn't be in the league. The guys who shouldn't be in the league are the players on special teams. It's just a symptom of the biggest problem with the team which is a lack of talent.

Pace is also erring on the side of young, developmental players when it comes to the roster. During the Angelovie era, one LB spot would go to a core special teamer, the last two WR spots would go to core special teamers, one RB spot would go to a core special teamer, etc. If they had to choose between a young, developing player or a vet who was good on special teams, they always went with the vet. It made our special teams really good, but they also developed no late round (or UDFA) talent for the last five years they were around.

 

[dabears70]

this gushing over a bad team is getting fucking ridiculous. both the D and the O are bottom of the league. but oh look, the D isnt giving up record setting 50 burgers and the O isnt turning the ball over at a league leading rate. so that must mean jays the future and the D is only a step away.


lol

We're playing with a huge lack of talent at pretty much every damn position but we're still playing hard and the coaches are getting everything they can out of the average players we have which is saying a lot for the coaching staff and the job they're doing.

 

[dabears70]

If you don't see a difference between how this team played last year and how they're playing this year, then I feel sorry for you. Chronic pessimism is no way to go through life, son.

And we're doing it with lesser talent this year then we had last year.

 

[Bearly]

At what point do you say, "Enough is enough" and just fire the guys in charge?

I think a head coach deserves 2-3 years minimum, and a GM deserves 3+ to prove whether or not they're the guys for the job. So far, I do like what I've seen from Pace and this coaching staff (for the most part). There's simply a clear lack of talent on the roster, but I trust that Pace can fix that with 2-3 drafts.

Is that how you felt last year? I was done with them at 1.5 and 2.5.

 

[WindyCity]

I agree.

While it may be painful on Sunday at 4 o'clock the truth is that they are moving in the right direction.

You cannot go from blow out loses to blow out wins, you need to improve and take steps in between. Competitive loses is a step up from blow outs.

 

[WindyCity]

The problem with special teams is that we've got guys who should be backups starting which means that our backups are guys who shouldn't be in the league. The guys who shouldn't be in the league are the players on special teams. It's just a symptom of the biggest problem with the team which is a lack of talent.

Pace is also erring on the side of young, developmental players when it comes to the roster. During the Angelovie era, one LB spot would go to a core special teamer, the last two WR spots would go to core special teamers, one RB spot would go to a core special teamer, etc. If they had to choose between a young, developing player or a vet who was good on special teams, they always went with the vet. It made our special teams really good, but they also developed no late round (or UDFA) talent for the last five years they were around.

During the Lovie era

Goldman
Sutton
Jones
Amos
Callahan

Those guys would never have been able to see the field and develop as they would not have met their red shirt time allotment.

 

[JDB_219]

During the Lovie era

Goldman
Sutton
Jones
Amos
Callahan

Those guys would never have been able to see the field and develop as they would not have met their red shirt time allotment.

That is PURE bunk. Lovie played plenty of rookies. Where do you guys get this stuff?

 

[SugabearMVP]

I think a head coach deserves 2-3 years minimum, and a GM deserves 3+ to prove whether or not they're the guys for the job. So far, I do like what I've seen from Pace and this coaching staff (for the most part). There's simply a clear lack of talent on the roster, but I trust that Pace can fix that with 2-3 drafts.

Good points.

It appears that the Bears are trying to get younger as a team overall, suggesting a rebuilding process and I'm ok with that. On the D they seem to be basing the talent around McPhee. Every other position on the D looks to be getting younger (though they still appear to like Shea... which I'm still on the fence about).

The thing that's confusing is the O. Plenty of older guys in the most important positions. I don't think they keep both Forte and Cutler for next year, I just don't see that happening judging from the changes they've made to unproven, young guys getting more playing time. Alshon is relatively young and he will probably stay for a few more years. Though something big will probably occur in free agency or the draft for both WR and CB/S positions. LB could also see some new blood but I like what I see from Anderson. Hopefully he can get some playing time when Shea returns. As for RB, its pretty clear by now that Langford appears to be the starter. I'd like to see Carey get some touches and Perry might be gone after this year due to IR, unless they keep him on special teams.

 

[KittiesKorner]

During the Lovie era

Goldman
Sutton
Jones
Amos
Callahan

Those guys would never have been able to see the field and develop as they would not have met their red shirt time allotment.

What are you talking about?

Tommie harris, chris harris, danieal manning, mark anderson, devin hester as cb, etc. all started on d as rookies

 

[WCL]

During the Lovie era

Goldman
Sutton
Jones
Amos
Callahan

Those guys would never have been able to see the field and develop as they would not have met their red shirt time allotment.

I think Goldman, Sutton and Amos would have played. Guys like Afalava got playing time under Lovie.

I doubt Jones and Callahan would have stuck, though. Those two are more in line with what I was saying. If they had to choose between a career special teamer and a developmental UDFA, they'd keep the special teamer.

There was a five or six year period in which Caleb Hanie was the only UDFA to make the team. The Bears would have four rookies, while teams like the Packers and Patriots would consistently have around ten. That's why there was no talent on the defensive side of the ball when Lovie and Angelo left.

 

[WindyCity]

I think Goldman, Sutton and Amos would have played. Guys like Afalava got playing time under Lovie.

I doubt Jones and Callahan would have stuck, though. Those two are more in line with what I was saying. If they had to choose between a career special teamer and a developmental UDFA, they'd keep the special teamer.

There was a five or six year period in which Caleb Hanie was the only UDFA to make the team. The Bears would have four rookies, while teams like the Packers and Patriots would consistently have around ten. That's why there was no talent on the defensive side of the ball when Lovie and Angelo left.

I was wrong.

It was probably more about Angelo's terrible drafting late in his tenure.

 

[Run the ball]

And last week the defense gave up Zero total Tds until the last minute or two of the game. Both the Detroit and Minnesota games should have been won and were totally there for the taking. I have two problems with this team right now, and they are how we are finishing these games and special teams. The special teams part of it is obvious, and we are spoiled from a history of having great special teams until a few years ago.

In our last two games in particular, in the last few minutes or defense falls apart, and the offense can't get a first down. If we could do either of those two things, we are
4-3 right now instead of 2-5.

You must be able to see the massive improvement in our defense.

Yes of course there is some improvement, but they are still not very good, they flat out suck at stopping the biggest part of the league, PASSING!!

 

[WindyCity]

Yes of course there is some improvement, but they are still not very good, they flat out suck at stopping the biggest part of the league, PASSING!!

But we do not suck as much as we should if you just look at the roster.

Is there a worse secondary on paper in the league? Worse pass rush?

 

[Run the ball]

But we do not suck as much as we should if you just look at the roster.

Is there a worse secondary on paper in the league? Worse pass rush?

They are not very good, if that makes me a pessimist, so be it. Try having a conversation outside of CCS about how good/bad the Bears D is, and see how that goes.

They are not very good at all.

 

[DaaBears]

I think Goldman, Sutton and Amos would have played. Guys like Afalava got playing time under Lovie.

I doubt Jones and Callahan would have stuck, though. Those two are more in line with what I was saying. If they had to choose between a career special teamer and a developmental UDFA, they'd keep the special teamer.

There was a five or six year period in which Caleb Hanie was the only UDFA to make the team. The Bears would have four rookies, while teams like the Packers and Patriots would consistently have around ten. That's why there was no talent on the defensive side of the ball when Lovie and Angelo left.

In Lovie's last season, the defense was 3rd in the NFL in points allowed, 5th in the NFL in yards, and in the top in takeaways, arguably the best defense in the entire NFL, and certainly top few.

The starters were as follows:

Israel Idonije
Henry Melton
Stephen Paea
Julius Peppers
Lance Briggs
Brian Urlacher
Nick Roach
Tim Jennings
Charles Tillman
Major Wright
Chris Conte

And Shea McClellin and DJ Moore off bench.

What I here often on here is that Urlacher was a half of himself, Peppers and Tillman were done, and Briggs was a total waste, and Wright and Conte are horrible. But yet the defense was arguably the best in the whole NFL. It actually cracks me up.

That team certainly had some players that were getting older, and some outstanding up and comers. I hear all the time that Conte and Wright suck, then how the hell was our defense so good.

We had a good balance of older and younger players, and also had a couple of special team studs as well like Constanzo and Sherrick McManis. We drafted our kick and punt returners. I am confident that if Lovie and Marinelli remained, we would have never had a bad defense. Melton and Paea would have continued to develop and Conte and Wright would still be our safeties. Back in 2012 it looked like we were set at safety with two guys 25 that were playing brilliantly.

We drafted players, we picked up free agents under Lovie, just like we do now.

Now our special teams absolutely suck though, except Gould, who many here watch to ditch. It actually is comical.

 

[Larsonite]

In Lovie's last season, the defense was 3rd in the NFL in points allowed, 5th in the NFL in yards, and in the top in takeaways, arguably the best defense in the entire NFL, and certainly top few.

The starters were as follows:

Israel Idonije
Henry Melton
Stephen Paea
Julius Peppers
Lance Briggs
Brian Urlacher
Nick Roach
Tim Jennings
Charles Tillman
Major Wright
Chris Conte

What I here often on here is that Urlacher was a half of himself, Peppers and Tillman were done, and Briggs was a total waste, and Wright and Conte are horrible. But yet the defense was arguably the best in the whole NFL. It actually cracks me up.

That team certainly had some players that were getting older, and some outstanding up and comers. I hear all the time that Conte and Wright suck, then how the hell was our defense so good.

We had a good balance of older and younger players, and also had a couple of special team studs as well like Constanzo and Sherrick McManis. We drafted our kick and punt returners. I am confident that if Lovie and Marinelli remained, we would have never had a bad defense. Melton and Paea would have continued to develop and Conte and Wright would still be our safeties. Back in 2012 it looked like we were set at safety with two guys 25 that were playing brilliantly.

We drafted players, we picked up free agents under Lovie, just like we do now.

Now our special teams absolutely suck though, except Gould, who many here watch to ditch. It actually is comical.

This just shows how bad Tucker's defensive coaching and scheme was.

I think one point many made was that we gave up to many yards under Lovie which is actually a by product of forcing teams to hit check down. The other was against good QBs when we didn't generate a pass rush. But those rankings don't lie. Lovie was a great defensive coach and had Emey not fucked with Marinelli, we would have retained him and imo would have been far better.

Sent from a spaghetti monster circling the earth

 

[WindyCity]

They are not very good, if that makes me a pessimist, so be it. Try having a conversation outside of CCS about how good/bad the Bears D is, and see how that goes.

They are not very good at all.

They are not good.

But considering their is 1 talented player and 2 interesting rookies playing they could be worse. They actually keep the games close, which is more than a lot of defense with more talent do.

The 49ers have more talent, and are more miserable.

 

[DaaBears]

Yes of course there is some improvement, but they are still not very good, they flat out suck at stopping the biggest part of the league, PASSING!!

Bears are 4th in the NFL in Passing Yards Allowed per game, 2nd in the NFC only to the Seattle Seahawks.

Now, don't jump all over me like you have been for the last month when I display a true fact. I don't think that they are that good at this, but I don't think that they are that bad either, and the improvement has been quite good on defense, except for the last 2 minutes of games.

 

[Monsieur Tirets]

And some people are to stupid to realize that this team is void of talent and that had little to do with the current front office.
And those same people can't figure out that the article's main focus is about the direction of the team, not the current product.

and some people are too stupid to realize that teams void of talent tend to be shitty teams and the direction this team is currently heading is 2-6. all the fluff in the world isnt going to change that. so, there are some good coaches on the staff, so what? it means jack shit right now. the current product sucks and that all we have to go on right now.

im fine with the team being shitty. thats were they are and itll take some time, i except it. theres no reason to spew BS and pretend things are other than they are, acting as if the Os performance is some sort of miracle turnaround and the D doesnt pretty much need 2 of everything.

 

[Newblood]

and some people are too stupid to realize that teams void of talent tend to be shitty teams and the direction this team is currently heading is 2-6. all the fluff in the world isnt going to change that. so, there are some good coaches on the staff, so what? it means jack shit right now. the current product sucks and that all we have to go on right now.

im fine with the team being shitty. thats were they are and itll take some time, i except it. theres no reason to spew BS and pretend things are other than they are, acting as if the Os performance is some sort of miracle turnaround and the D doesnt pretty much need 2 of everything.

Yeah, you are right. Good coaches doesn't mean "jack shit". May as well bring Trestman back until the team is good again, am I right? Do you not run things through your head before you say/type them? Seriously...

Once again, you fail to see the point of the conversation/thread/article. You just blurt whatever pre-recorded gibberish you have set in your head. The OP didn't state anything about an offensive, special teams, defensive, ballboy, etc "miracle turnaround" or performance. But maybe you was just looking for an excuse to go on a nonsensical rant?