Bears rookie Justin Fields is 'pure juice,' NFL analyst says

[gallagher]

I'm hyped.

Let Fields take the job from Dalton. He'll be better off as a pro that way (in my opinion). Whether that takes one game, five games, no games or a whole season, make him take it.

 

[mattb78]

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

I'm hyped.

Let Fields take the job from Dalton. He'll be better off as a pro that way (in my opinion). Whether that takes one game, five games, no games or a whole season, make him take it.

This is the only thing that should determine when Fields plays. When he is 100% ready to go and looks better than Dalton. None of the o-line must gel together crap.

 

[botfly10]

While other people are just throwing away 2021 without even thinking that the defense might be shit in 2022 and beyond.

What happens if Fields comes in mid season, but Dalton had put the team so far back in the rankings that the Bears do not make the playoff by a game or so, and the following year the defense has been gutted and Fields loses shootouts because the defense can't stop anyone?

So 10 to 20 years later, Packer fans are laughing at the Bears for wasting Fields' franchise career with crappy defenses.

The Bears in 2021 need to be shooting for the playoffs, be it with Dalton or Fields. Once in the playoffs, even as a wild card team, anything can happen (the Super Bowl has already been won by a wild card team).

uh, yeah. even if Fields is a stud, the bears will still have to field a complete team. cool. still not panicking about him starting week 1. or 6.

If it turns out the bears wasted Fields career 20 years from now, it sure as fuck isn't gon be cause he didn't start until week 5.

come on now

 

[gallagher]

This is the only thing that should determine when Fields plays. When he is 100% ready to go and looks better than Dalton. None of the o-line must gel together crap.

I have a small addendum to what it means for him to be 100% ready, because it's not just looking better than Dalton.

I want to see Fields going through reads quickly enough. The NFL is faster than college ball and this is a make-or-break trait. Shove him in while he's still adjusting, and one worries that he'll build bad habits.

I want to see him adjust to his WR's speed. ARob and Mooney can both be hit deep, but Mooney has to be led so he can take the top off in ways that ARob can't match.

I want to see him diagnose plays behind the line with minimal shifting. How many times did we have a bad play or a wasted time out because we relied on pre-snap motion for Mitch to see the coverage?? Yeah it's a good tool but over relying on it is a bad habit we gotta get over.

 

[JoJoBoxer]

So you’re saying we should Mortgage the future to go all in this year?

Wow! You do not know how to read.

I never said mortgage the future or even insinuated for the Bears to mortgage the future. I said that the Bears need to be shooting for the playoffs, be it with Dalton or Fields. If Dalton is playing winning football, that is still "shooting for the playoffs". If he basically sucks, he needs to be replaced. The thought process should not be: Dalton sucks but we need to protect Fields' frail psyche (that is Trubisky talk) so we might as well use the year to sit Fields and allow him to learn (how to lose).

I said that the Bears need to NOT throw away the 2021 season because the Bears are probably going to be bad. Every year unexpected teams do well in the NFL. Maybe the Bears don't come from such a low point as not making the playoffs (though they would not have made the playoffs if there weren't playoff spots added), but they can be one of those teams that surprise and get to the playoffs.

Once in the playoffs, anything can happen.

 

[JoJoBoxer]

uh, yeah. even if Fields is a stud, the bears will still have to field a complete team. cool. still not panicking about him starting week 1. or 6.

If it turns out the bears wasted Fields career 20 years from now, it sure as fuck isn't gon be cause he didn't start until week 5.

come on now

Is the defense getter better or worse? Is the cost of the defense getting better or worse?

The defense is going to have to get rid of their more experienced, older, more expensive players.

Remember how the defense was much worse the year Hicks was injured twice? Remember how the defense was much more vulnerable when Goldman opted out?

Now imagine how the defense will be when both are gone. It is not easy to replace the play of both Hicks and Goldman. Now imagine that happens in 2022.

The defense is going to be giving up a whole lot more points in 2022 than they will in 2021.

If Fields scores a whole lot more points in 2022, he might be losing some nail-biters (and winning some too).

Now imagine Fields scoring a whole lot more points from the point he comes in during 2021. With the players that will be lost in 2022 still playing in 2021, the Bears have a chance of winning some lopsided games.

The problem is that the games lost before he started cannot be changed because he scores a whole lot more after those games.

So when he becomes the starter CAN be very important to the success of the Bears in 2021. Remember that I am not talking about some 16-0 season, but rather enough to be a wildcard team.

Once the post-season starts, why can't the Bears do something if Fields IS the hottest QB in the NFL at that point?

This may be the end of the good Bear defenses. Soon, most of those players will be gone and a good number are still producing. It is not easy to replace star players, offensive or defensive, with a drafting system that is 50% success at best.

 

[JoJoBoxer]

I want to see him diagnose plays behind the line with minimal shifting. How many times did we have a bad play or a wasted time out because we relied on pre-snap motion for Mitch to see the coverage?? Yeah it's a good tool but over relying on it is a bad habit we gotta get over.

When you say that you want to see him do this, that or the other, it means that you want the coaches to see this, that or the other.

OK.

Now imagine when they will be able to see all this stuff and when he will be able to learn all this stuff when it is the middle of the season, he is the 2nd string QB and he is getting very little snaps.

How is he going to learn?

When and how are the coaches going to be able to see it?

So you want to limit a tool that all QBs use? Even the GOAT?

What you should want for him to do is process Nagy's call faster, make the call faster and have more time to process what the defense is in.

It is sad that, because Trubisky was a mental midget, you want to punish Fields for it.

Also, is it possible that Nagy also takes to long to decide on a play, giving the QB even less time to act?

Shouldn't the idea be that Nagy needs to give the play to the QB faster and the QB needs to do all he has to do faster so that the QB has even more time to read the defense.

Just a thought. Fields already is known for getting to the line fast and getting the ball out BEFORE the defense was even set. Look it up. There are several plays that Ohio State did that very thing and had easy completions, runs and scores.

You would think that an "offensive genius" would be able to create a set of plays for certain situations where he could make one-word call, say pineapple, where the whole offense would already know everything about the play and would not need time to call, besides pineapple, and the offense could set and force the defense to scramble?

There are a ton of things that the offensive staff could do to make life easier for the offense.

 

[gallagher]

When you say that you want to see him do this, that or the other, it means that you want the coaches to see this, that or the other.

OK.

Now imagine when they will be able to see all this stuff and when he will be able to learn all this stuff when it is the middle of the season, he is the 2nd string QB and he is getting very little snaps.

How is he going to learn?

When and how are the coaches going to be able to see it?

So you want to limit a tool that all QBs use? Even the GOAT?

What you should want for him to do is process Nagy's call faster, make the call faster and have more time to process what the defense is in.

It is sad that, because Trubisky was a mental midget, you want to punish Fields for it.

Also, is it possible that Nagy also takes to long to decide on a play, giving the QB even less time to act?

Shouldn't the idea be that Nagy needs to give the play to the QB faster and the QB needs to do all he has to do faster so that the QB has even more time to read the defense.

Just a thought. Fields already is known for getting to the line fast and getting the ball out BEFORE the defense was even set. Look it up. There are several plays that Ohio State did that very thing and had easy completions, runs and scores.

You would think that an "offensive genius" would be able to create a set of plays for certain situations where he could make one-word call, say pineapple, where the whole offense would already know everything about the play and would not need time to call, besides pineapple, and the offense could set and force the defense to scramble?

There are a ton of things that the offensive staff could do to make life easier for the offense.

I am not saying that he isnt already a lot of these things. I am just laying out a metric by which to measure him that I as a fan want to see. Getting the ball out quickly diagnosing plays quickly, are all things that our QB room was bad at last year. The veteran Dalton is already coming in as the starter, and Fields as the backup, and a rookie with no NFL tape, has to show that he is good at these things compared to Dalton. That is how he Fields earns the job.

He earns it in practice and with a few snaps given to show his situational ability. Why is that a bad thing? Maybe he proves it within the first few games, I am not doubting his ability.

 

[CHIBEAR]

What's Nagy supposed to say? He's keeping the world off their backs (Nagy, assist. coaches, Fields, Dalton, etc.).

If he announces open competition, they'll over-scrutinize every damn throw, step, etc. Isn't it better to let Fields learn at his own pace? Also worlds better as is for Dalton, who's already a lame duck as it is. Nagy may be "lying to us", but WTH cares? We all want the best result w/ Fields - even if many are impatient.

+ Don't we want the new OL Ts to figure shit out before throwing Fields to the wolves? I'm cool with Dalton taking that on and getting the run game going and figuring out WR3 battle.
+ Camp reps mean shit compared to real games. There's only 4 live hitting practices allowed!!! FOUR! Worthless.

We all know Fields will come in at some point.

Its the NFL eyes are on first picks no matter . Its amazing to me how someone could want to protect someone from doing something they have been preparing their whole lives for because they believe they cant handle the pressure even when there is no ZERO evidence to support that assumption. ]


What does throwing him to the Wolves even mean ? Hes not some tennis pro who is making a career change nor is he some guy we never heard of who had a 3 good months and got drafted high he's a top qb prospect who has been in the limelight for years .

Starting Dalton is simply a continuation of crap we already know doesn't work

 

[JoJoBoxer]

I am not saying that he isnt already a lot of these things. I am just laying out a metric by which to measure him that I as a fan want to see. Getting the ball out quickly diagnosing plays quickly, are all things that our QB room was bad at last year. The veteran Dalton is already coming in as the starter, and Fields as the backup, and a rookie with no NFL tape, has to show that he is good at these things compared to Dalton. That is how he Fields earns the job.

He earns it in practice and with a few snaps given to show his situational ability. Why is that a bad thing? Maybe he proves it within the first few games, I am not doubting his ability.

Yes, but showing it in practice is hard for the 2nd stringer. The team has no time for the 2nd stringer to show anything during the season. With all these limitations that have affected NFL practices, the team doesn't even have enough snaps to practice the week's game plan during the week with the starter.

 

[JoJoBoxer]

Its the NFL eyes are on first picks no matter . Its amazing to me how someone could want to protect someone from doing something they have been preparing their whole lives for because they believe they cant handle the pressure even when there is no ZERO evidence to support that assumption. ]


What does throwing him to the Wolves even mean ? Hes not some tennis pro who is making a career change nor is he some guy we never heard of who had a 3 good months and got drafted high he's a top qb prospect who has been in the limelight for years .

Starting Dalton is simply a continuation of crap we already know doesn't work

The coaching staff can't get the Trubisky experiment stench out of their mouths and it affects all of their decisions.

 

[ThatGuyRyan]

You guys aren’t very Buddhist on here

 

[TexasBearfan]

if i'm not mistaken humans are like 80% water so he is not in fact "pure juice", he hasn't been pure juice since he was on the jizz swim team...he of course won that race

 

[Starion]

You guys aren’t very Buddhist on here

or

Stoic vs nihilist? Hard to tell sometimes, but always seems there's more of the later around here.
Decades of hype & letdowns will do that.

 

[bears51/40]

I'm hyped.

Let Fields take the job from Dalton. He'll be better off as a pro that way (in my opinion). Whether that takes one game, five games, no games or a whole season, make him take it.

Understandable, but what happens if Dalton just blows and has no juice left? Dalton is under a ton of pressure here , he is learning the system just as Fields is. Dalton was a day one rookie starter who never had anyone looking over his shoulder in Cincy, not the case in Chicago. As a NFL vet he is not the same guy he was even 5 five years ago, his game has declined. No matter what Nagy says, it is up to Dalton to preform and he has never been under this kind of pressure to do so.

It may not be that Fields wins the job early............but Dalton loses it.

 

[gallagher]

Understandable, but what happens if Dalton just blows and has no juice left? Dalton is under a ton of pressure here , he is learning the system just as Fields is. Dalton was a day one rookie starter who never had anyone looking over his shoulder in Cincy, not the case in Chicago. As a NFL vet he is not the same guy he was even 5 five years ago, his game has declined. No matter what Nagy says, it is up to Dalton to preform and he has never been under this kind of pressure to do so.

It may not be that Fields wins the job early............but Dalton loses it.

That's possible. But I don't think I want to bet on that being the case. Even the best plans often go away, or whatever the quote is...

Yes, but showing it in practice is hard for the 2nd stringer. The team has no time for the 2nd stringer to show anything during the season. With all these limitations that have affected NFL practices, the team doesn't even have enough snaps to practice the week's game plan during the week with the starter.

I get you here. Honestly I'd like to plan on giving Fields drives before he becomes the starter. He has to learn and live fire will do that. But to counter your point, or at least give an honest critical look... How the hell is he going to show he's ready in a game if he can't do it in practice? I of course expect him to have struggles as a young gun, and most guys look better in practice than in the game. He'll get his looks in practice, I'm not worried about there not being enough snaps to go around.

I have no doubts that Fields will make it undeniable when it is time to hand him the reigns. He has star power.

 

[msadows]

Baldy is a fantastic meatball listen. He can get you as hyped for a player as anyone while showing you tape filmed from a 2000's era flip phone.

 

[JoJoBoxer]

That's possible. But I don't think I want to bet on that being the case. Even the best plans often go away, or whatever the quote is...


I get you here. Honestly I'd like to plan on giving Fields drives before he becomes the starter. He has to learn and live fire will do that. But to counter your point, or at least give an honest critical look... How the hell is he going to show he's ready in a game if he can't do it in practice? I of course expect him to have struggles as a young gun, and most guys look better in practice than in the game. He'll get his looks in practice, I'm not worried about there not being enough snaps to go around.

I have no doubts that Fields will make it undeniable when it is time to hand him the reigns. He has star power.

Do you understand that his snaps in practice are going to be limited, severely limited?

The collective bargaining agreement has cut out much of what was considered practice. Nowadays, there are very few contact days allowed, and, if you don't follow the rules, the head coach and the team pays substantial fines.

So the head coach does not want to throw away tens to hundreds of thousands of dollar, he has to give his QB1 some amount of live snaps. Do you seriously think that he is going to split the few live snaps allowed between two QBs in training camp? Fields might get some live snaps when the team is in shells.

Once the season starts, it is going to get worse. QB1 is going to take all of the limited snaps.

If it were the old time training camp with unlimited snaps, two or three training camp sessions per day, I could see even Foles getting a good share of snaps. In that situation, Fields could show great talent, some talent or a lot of work that would be required.

Now, it is get Dalton ready, if he is not good during the season, have Fields take his snaps the next week or wait until the bye week to give him some snaps. Try to figure out what you have with Fields once he is given a fair amount of snaps.

I guess that Nagy makes some plays specifically for Fields like Santa's Little Bazooka that Fields can run during the season.

I hope that Dalton can do well enough to keep the Bears in games, and Fields can show that he memorized the playbook so he can have a quick turnaround as the new starter if he is needed.

 

[mattb78]

For Dalton to run the offense for a significant amount of games, it will mean that Matt Nagy has to put together a competent NFL offense that evolves and changes. This would also mean coaching a bunch of new OL which has never been his strength. In short, there is little chance that Dalton looks very good at all.

We will see Fields soon enough.