Bears trade for Claypool

[Pretzel Logic]

I didn’t know not slurping every move is cunting. I’m just not a fan of overpaying for this guy, at this time. Doesn’t mean I won’t hope it works out, hope he turns into Randy Moss and then nobody will care what pick it was.

It's not even slurping is it? It's just having a contrarian view to something to make yourself edgy.

Dollars to donuts you probably complained about not supporting Fields this offseason, and that'll include having better WR's than the burger flippers they have had out there for the most part, thus far. Now you're cunting about a draft pick given up for a productive WR that fits everything this current set up thinks benefits the O and Fields.

It's fucking painful reading this shit on the yearly.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

It’s 12 right now. You think that number is going to go down?

Even if it goes up it essentially will never be a 1st round pick. Because factually its a 2nd.

 

[remydat]

That's going to want tier one money before they pay Fields.

They gave away draft capital and potentially big money instead of using their draft capital to save money and trust their plan of building through the draft. My opinion is that Poles showed his inexperience here.

As I've said previously if I'm wrong I'll eat crow. However if he's a 1.5 year guy that gets let go because he wants more than he's worth after next season when they could've just drafted a guy I'll expect the same from you.

Do you really think that he is the answer to the Bears problems this year? Next year he might be very helpful if they fill some other holes, but after that he wants a bag of money which makes the move short sighted for a guy that has only proven to be short of a tier one wide receiver.

Poles also quite clearly said that getting a QB a WR he trusts was paramount and he did not limit that to via draft as most of the examples of getting a young QB a WR was via trade ie Hopkins with Murray or Diggs with Allen or Hill with Tua. So you are cherry picking part of what Poles said and not looking at everything he said.

If Fields develops in this 1.5 years and he gets let go then it is still a draft pick well spent IMO. What matters would be how Poles replaces him. Obviously the best case is he and Fields blow up and we get him signed to a long term deal but too many variables at this point. All we can do is judge based on the info we have at hand and it is clear the Packers offered a 2nd as well and it is clear that on paper he is a significant upgrade to what we have. It is also clear that Poles clearly talked about getting his young QB a WR he can trust and put no limits on that only being thru the draft.

So it is fine if you don't like the move or the player but there is nothing inconsistent with what Poles said once you actually pay attention to everything he said and not just the parts you like.

 

[puckthefackers]

I like what Poles has done at the trade deadline, got something for Quinn and Omni St Roquan who was not going to be resigned and flipped that shit for an actual starting caliber WR with size and speed.

all the bitches complaining here must love watching the shit WRs that the Bears have been trotting out dropping balls all over the field. holy fuck are there a bunch of whiny-ass bitches on here.

JF1 finally has a big bodied WR who wins 50/50 balls. Bears still have a 2nd round draft pick in 2023. Nobody knows what pick it will be or what pick they gave up but keep crying about it. Maybe, just maybe, the O gets rolling and the Bears stack some wins... maybe Lamar Jackson gets hurt and Baltimore tanks... but go on and be pessimistic fucks about it instead of being happy the Bears addressed a huge need. They no longer have the worst WR room in the NFL, I for one am cheering that.

 

[remydat]

both of his seasons before this one are pretty much identical so i dont know what you mean by hes not the player he was before. This year, obviously he has more guys in front of him and his QB either sucks (Mitch) or is an inexperienced rookie (Pickett)

the free agent WR class is weak. the draft class for WRs is weak. Id rather take my chances on the 24/25 year old who already produced at the nfl level

What is so silly about the claim his numbers are down is that the Steelers have 4 guys between 300-372 yards. Yes he is fourth in yards but he is 61 yards from being No 1. So he is basically one good game away from being their leading WR. The Steelers have just spread the ball around because they added another target in Pickens.

He also is being used differently than previous years as in prior years he spent the bulk of his time on the outside running deep routes. This year they have had him mostly in the slot as a big slot or move TE and throwing to him more underneath. The Bears will probably use him more as the deep threat he was his first 2 seasons.

If anything this year has made him more valuable because he has proven that he isn't just a deep threat as in previous years when he averaged over 14 yards a reception. He has proven he can also work the middle of the field and be a safety net for a young QB. You can basically deploy him anywhere on the field depending on your other personnel.

 

[94c4lt1]

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1587570305710571525

 

[remydat]

First off you need to read the parameters of the Ridley trade. It’s very conditional and only becomes a 2nd round pick if he signs an extension. Otherwise it’s a 5th and the following year a 4th-3rd.

If Ridley comes back to form would he not have been the best WR the Bears have? highly doubt all 3 earn $20 million dollar deals and il maintain if they did what a great problem to have.

You’re right about the Bears not taking advantage of a comp pick scenario. They didn’t even do it this year, essentially trading a 3rd round pick for one too many bum free agents this past year. Worthless 3rd in March, not needed, but in November so valuable!

Yes you want to gamble on that if while Poles felt more comfortable trading for more of a known and younger player in Claypool. Whining because he didn't take the risk you wanted to take is silly. I can see the argument for Ridley. I can see the argument for Claypool. What I can't see is the argument for both. It simply makes no sense to add both of them when we already have Mooney.

The Bears did not take advantage of the comp pick because they are clearly buyers. They needed to fill too many holes and Poles made the call to try and do so with largely younger players who if they blew up he could resign. Once they have a team largely in place then they can be sellers but as they are going to be adding tons of players of the next few years, it did not make sense to worry about comp picks. Again you are free to disagree but you guys tend to act like only your preferred method makes sense which is just silly.

Now it’s a great deal? So Monday morning if I posted let’s trade our 2nd for Chase Claypool you would have been excited? I probably would have been laughed off this board.

Would we know on Monday morning that the Pack were offering a 2nd as well?

 

[ThatGuyRyan]

So is it OK for me to necro threads where a bunch of you were saying "Just go draft a WR" as opposed to signing a known quantity i.e., Allen Robinson ? It's not that simple, is it ?

 

[r1terrell23]

I didn’t know not slurping every move is cunting. I’m just not a fan of overpaying for this guy, at this time. Doesn’t mean I won’t hope it works out, hope he turns into Randy Moss and then nobody will care what pick it was.

The trade by itself is strange to say the least. But you have to factor in helping Fields progress even further. If bringing Chase in unlocks more of Fields and helps to show that he is indeed a franchise QB, then it is more than worth it.

 

[remydat]

There is no one for one equivalent. It’s the squandering of high valued picks. This is likely a top ten 2 round pick that’s a very high draft pick for a player that’s never gotten 1000 yards. That’s a high pick for a guy to evaluate. This isn’t trading for aj brown. And we aren’t competing for anything this year and likely not next year. Btw Amari cooper was traded for a 5th round draft pick and everyone in offseason said poles was right to pass on that it’s not the right time. But saint poles honey moon period is in full affect right now lol

Amari Cooper will be 29 next year. Claypool 25. Cooper would not be a long term solution whereas Claypool potentially is. You get that a GM may view them differently because of that right?

 

[SiDe WaYs]

Bears 2nd round pick is like 5 picks from the bottom of the first round. I didn’t say they gave up a first round pick I said they essentially gave up a first round pick in value.

But it’s a 2nd round in value

 

[bamainatlanta]

Amari Cooper will be 29 next year. Claypool 25. Cooper would not be a long term solution whereas Claypool potentially is. You get that a GM may view them differently because of that right?

Cooper might be a free agent with the salary cap issues in Cleveland

 

[Dejo]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1587824144669982721

 

[Chicago4Life]

Cooper might be a free agent with the salary cap issues in Cleveland

cooper is under contract through 24, while browns will be tight on space they likely cut johnson to free up 12 mill and also extend wills

 

[pseudonym]

No, not adverse at all. My feelings are basically 1) A 2nd rounder is too high, and 2) We still needs someone on the roster that makes defenses back-the-fuck up and get those safeties out of the box.

Send a speedy WR like Velus deep. With Claypool at 6'4" and Mooney a solid IN/OUT WR2+ we have options and can open it up.

 

[pseudonym]

Obviously, but that wasn't my point.

My point was that he's hardly improved since his rookie season, and it's not like his rookie season was as good as Jefferson's or Chase's. He was decent, and has just been average ever since. Not much improvement. And we gave up what's going to be an early 2nd round pick to get him, which is too much imo. But if we were trading for someone as productive as Jefferson or Chase (hypothetically), then I wouldn't care about what we gave up.

He had a VERY good rookie year and has suffered since due to bad QB play IMO in Trubisky/Pickett. With Ben (who aired it out) he did very well. Fields and Claypool both like the deep ball.

 

[pseudonym]

Some of the takes in this thread are hilarious. As it stands, before this trade we didn't have a receiver on this team that was ANYWHERE CLOSE to Claypool in either explosiveness or physicality. Heck, there's only a handful of receivers in the last 10+ years that approach his physical gifts.

Now some folks are mad that "we gave up a pick in the 30's" for a guy that can immediately better the weakest part of this team.

Bravo, fellas.. bravo.

Agree. And right NOW we're picking 12th. So that's not even in the 30s. That's pick #44. And I think we may actually win a few more games.

 

[pseudonym]

So who do we take with our first pick now?

1. Elite WR.
2. 3T DT.
3. OL
4. LB
5. DB

Those are the main spots I see. I would be most excited about an elite 3T DT since our run DEF sucks or a WR there. We can fine OL later in the draft. I get wanting to take LB early, but I wouldn't in the 1st but that's me.

 

[pseudonym]

No it's not.

Right now it's #44 I believe. And I think we may win a few more games, especially if Claypool picks up the offense quickly.

 

[Chicago4Life]

So who do we take with our first pick now?

1. Elite WR.
2. 3T DT.
3. OL
4. LB
5. DB

Those are the main spots I see. I would be most excited about an elite 3T DT since our run DEF sucks or a WR there. We can fine OL later in the draft. I get wanting to take LB early, but I wouldn't in the 1st but that's me.

it will essentially be best player available...the point of the claypool trade was to give him more flexibility in the draft so really depends on how the board falls...my guess is a 3tech or LB is atop the wishlist