Blackhawks, Niklas Hjalmarsson Report: Slow Return On Risky Investment

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Buff is simply a rover and power play machine. He still is terrible in his own end and once his numbers cool down people will stop riding him. I will say he has really improved his conditioning and skating this off season and he has surprised me.

Hammer is not the biggest issue right now... Dave Bolland is. Bolland was suppose to be able to take over 2nd line center duties this season. Not only has he not done that but he is not even playing the shut-down role very well this season.

Also Joe Soupy is very overpaid but he has been out best player thus far into the season, and by a lot.

Also did someone seriously say that Hammer could turn into the next Lidstrom? Seriously that made me cry from laughing, Lidstrom is a top 10ish player in NHL history.

Hammer-Lidstrom comparison is ridic but you really think Lidstrom is in the top 10 of all-time? I'm not saying he isn't.. I'm going to look over some numbers now but that seems really high....
 

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Problem with Bolly is the guy is too streaky.

He's hot right now but he needs to be more consistent.
 

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Best player or best Dman?

Also hopefully Bollands huge game will get him going...

Brian Campbell has been our best PLAYER this season. Based off numbers and consistency. I know Sharp's statistics are very sexy this season but I give Campbell the slight edge watching this season.
 

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I'm trying to work out why it is that Bolland was supposed to take over the 2nd line centre spot automatically - is it based upon the fact that he was Havlat's centre 2 years ago? Because if so, I'd contend that just putting up numbers while serving as Havlat's C isn't enough of a reason to automatically slot 36 in to any position.

H happened to be on a line that worked that season, but that counts for nothing, after personnel changes (as well as injuries). In fact even 2 years back his numbers weren't breath-taking anyways. Good, sure, but not really an automatic spot.
 

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Brian Campbell has been our best PLAYER this season. Based off numbers and consistency. I know Sharp's statistics are very sexy this season but I give Campbell the slight edge watching this season.

Hmm... I cant agree simply because without sharps scoring idk where the hawks would be right now but ya Soupy's been the best blue liner..
 

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Hammer-Lidstrom comparison is ridic but you really think Lidstrom is in the top 10 of all-time? I'm not saying he isn't.. I'm going to look over some numbers now but that seems really high....

The guy is 40 and if the season ended today he would have his 7th Norris Trophy. I did say top "10ish," so it is debatable. But there is no way he is out of the top 15 off all time.
 

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Maybe I just expect more from a guy making 7.1 mil.

Soupy's defensive game has really improved but his offensive numbers are not living up to that ridiculous contract.
 

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I'm trying to work out why it is that Bolland was supposed to take over the 2nd line centre spot automatically - is it based upon the fact that he was Havlat's centre 2 years ago? Because if so, I'd contend that just putting up numbers while serving as Havlat's C isn't enough of a reason to automatically slot 36 in to any position.

H happened to be on a line that worked that season, but that counts for nothing, after personnel changes (as well as injuries). In fact even 2 years back his numbers weren't breath-taking anyways. Good, sure, but not really an automatic spot.

Because Dave Bolland came into the league as an offensive minded player who could not play defense if his life depended on it. He showed his scoring prowess last season when he was healthy, and was a shut down player in the playoffs. With his cap hit there were expectations that he would assume 2nd line center duties. There was a case to be made for Dave Bolland for the Conn Smythe and great two way centermen are hard to find. He either is hurt or his game has regressed far too much.
 

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Maybe I just expect more from a guy making 7.1 mil.

Soupy's defensive game has really improved but his offensive numbers are not living up to that ridiculous contract.

I am not saying you're wrong. No way Soupy is worth his cap hit. I am just pointing out that he is un-tradable with his contract and limited trade clause so we might as well just enjoy his great play this season.


I would trade Campbell in a heartbeat if it was possible.
 

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The guy is 40 and if the season ended today he would have his 7th Norris Trophy. I did say top "10ish," so it is debatable. But there is no way he is out of the top 15 off all time.

I suppose you're pretty much on. He's in my top 2 or 3 for dmen so theres no way he's lower than 15 but there are so many great forwards that skew this for me.
 

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Maybe I just expect more from a guy making 7.1 mil.

Soupy's defensive game has really improved but his offensive numbers are not living up to that ridiculous contract.

I am not saying you're wrong. No way Soupy is worth his cap hit. I am just pointing out that he is un-tradable with his contract and limited trade clause so we might as well just enjoy his great play this season.


I would trade Campbell in a heartbeat if it was possible.

To me its not fair to expect insane numbers from Campbell. He simply cashed in when he had the chance. Can't blame him for the contract.
 

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I suppose you're pretty much on. He's in my top 2 or 3 for dmen so theres no way he's lower than 15 but there are so many great forwards that skew this for me.

It is really hard to compare players from different generations. For me it the top 3 are very clear...

1. Bobby Orr
2. Mario Lemieux
3. Wayne Gretzky

Then after that there are 15 players I think are in the mix for the next 7 spots in the "Top 10."
 

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It is really hard to compare players from different generations. For me it the top 3 are very clear...

1. Bobby Orr
2. Mario Lemieux
3. Wayne Gretzky

Then after that there are 15 players I think are in the mix for the next 7 spots in the "Top 10."

No doubt eras are impossible to compare. As far as how much better players were than anyone else in their generation I like your top 3. Lafleur and Brett Hull fit in that category too IMO. There are so many tho... Those just come to mind without thinking too hard.

But ya... At first your Lidstrom comment struck me as odd but I agree with top 15. Not ready to say top 10 yet.
 

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He's making more than Mike Green who is a joke defensively but pwns Soupy offensively.
 

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He's making more than Mike Green who is a joke defensively but pwns Soupy offensively.

It's irrelevant. We know Soupy's contract is a bad one, Tallon over-paid a guy in a very light free agent market year to add to his young promising team.

Does it really hurt right now? Yes, absolutely.

Would I change the past? **** NO! Without Brian Campbell who knows if we win a Stanley Cup... the ultimate goal is the Cup and winning it made every decision leading up to it a good one (no matter how those decisions look now).

By the way I would pay Brian Campbell 7 million a season before I would pay Mike Green 5.5 million. Like you said Mike Green is a joke in his own end... and his production... well look at him this season. His production has always been because of the Capitals power play, how fucking hard can it be to get a point per game skating with Ovi, Backstrom, and Semin on the power play every game?

There is a reason Team Canada passed on Mike Green when he was leading the NHL in scoring last season.
 
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Because Dave Bolland came into the league as an offensive minded player who could not play defense if his life depended on it. He showed his scoring prowess last season when he was healthy, and was a shut down player in the playoffs. With his cap hit there were expectations that he would assume 2nd line center duties. There was a case to be made for Dave Bolland for the Conn Smythe and great two way centermen are hard to find. He either is hurt or his game has regressed far too much.


No one actually assigns depth based upon contract amounts ... if so, then Campbell is our number 1 d... and Huet, is our number 1 goaltender... etc etc ...

All I am saying is he was paid based upon perceived potential, and I'm not entirely sure where that perception came from ... the standard method for payment on the team in the past was based upon projected progress; however I think the guy (Bolland) has a dodgy back. Based upon that, I would think Bolland is untradeable except to a sucker team.

Huet proved there aren't that many sucker GM's out there ...

All I am saying is that imo Bolland has never proven that he deserves that status. He is, at best, a third line center. I would rather have Sharp at center.
 

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No one actually assigns depth based upon contract amounts ... if so, then Campbell is our number 1 d... and Huet, is our number 1 goaltender... etc etc ...

All I am saying is he was paid based upon perceived potential, and I'm not entirely sure where that perception came from ... the standard method for payment on the team in the past was based upon projected progress; however I think the guy (Bolland) has a dodgy back. Based upon that, I would think Bolland is untradeable except to a sucker team.

Huet proved there aren't that many sucker GM's out there ...

All I am saying is that imo Bolland has never proven that he deserves that status. He is, at best, a third line center. I would rather have Sharp at center.

1. Dave Bolland is not untradable, I would promise you there are quite a few GMs that saw his performance last season and would take a chance on him even with his back issues and despite his overall play this season. How can you say he is only a 3rd line center at best? He was arguably our best player the entire post season last year. He shut every line he faced down and also put up a good amount of points while remaining defensively reliable, that is hard to do.

Bolland still is only 24 years old and he did put up 60 goals and a 130 points (in only 59 games) in his last season in London.

2. Did you seriously compare Christobal Huet with Dave Bolland as far as trade value? Come on get serious...

3. Patrick Sharp is a natural winger and it shows a lot of the time. He has trouble playing the middle of the ice and even though he is a capable center he is a far better winger. In fact if you watched the games you would see most of the time Sharp is actually playing the wing he just takes the draws because of his face off ability.

I have bashed Bolland this entire season, he is the biggest reason for our drop off from last year (outside of the salary cap). Still you're going to put him in the category with Cristobal Huet after a bad 40 games where he might be injured the entire time? Get fucking real... 24 year old two-way centermen are very rare in this league. I am not saying we should not look into trading him, but he defiantly has value. I still would rather hang on to him because once he gets healthy and his game back on track he is a steal at his cap hit.


Also how about pointing out Dave Bolland having 18 points in his last 20 games... he also is back to being "The Rat" over that stretch as well frustrating the other teams top lines. Yes Dave Bolland is worthless we might as well try and dump him for a couple of used pucks... lmao. I love some people on this forum.
 
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He's making more than Mike Green who is a joke defensively but pwns Soupy offensively.

I wouldnt want to base my defense around Mike Green. Good offensive player but you can have him Washington.
 

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Remember... the only reason Sharp didn't have these numbers last year was simply because he was depended on to take face-offs and play the center position. It is not a surprise to me that Sharp is having the year he is...

Second, Nick Leddy was the one who was compared to Lidstrom... not Hjalmarsson.
 

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Remember... the only reason Sharp didn't have these numbers last year was simply because he was depended on to take face-offs and play the center position. It is not a surprise to me that Sharp is having the year he is...

Second, Nick Leddy was the one who was compared to Lidstrom... not Hjalmarsson.

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