Blackhawks, Niklas Hjalmarsson Report: Slow Return On Risky Investment

[tbo41fan]

1. Dave Bolland is not untradable, I would promise you there are quite a few GMs that saw his performance last season and would take a chance on him even with his back issues and despite his overall play this season. How can you say he is only a 3rd line center at best? He was arguably our best player the entire post season last year. He shut every line he faced down and also put up a good amount of points while remaining defensively reliable, that is hard to do.

Bolland still is only 24 years old and he did put up 60 goals and a 130 points (in only 59 games) in his last season in London.

2. Did you seriously compare Christobal Huet with Dave Bolland as far as trade value? Come on get serious...

3. Patrick Sharp is a natural winger and it shows a lot of the time. He has trouble playing the middle of the ice and even though he is a capable center he is a far better winger. In fact if you watched the games you would see most of the time Sharp is actually playing the wing he just takes the draws because of his face off ability.

I have bashed Bolland this entire season, he is the biggest reason for our drop off from last year (outside of the salary cap). Still you're going to put him in the category with Cristobal Huet after a bad 40 games where he might be injured the entire time? Get fucking real... 24 year old two-way centermen are very rare in this league. I am not saying we should not look into trading him, but he defiantly has value. I still would rather hang on to him because once he gets healthy and his game back on track he is a steal at his cap hit.


Also how about pointing out Dave Bolland having 18 points in his last 20 games... he also is back to being "The Rat" over that stretch as well frustrating the other teams top lines. Yes Dave Bolland is worthless we might as well try and dump him for a couple of used pucks... lmao. I love some people on this forum.

I think he was saying that you can't base guys roles off of their salary...

For example, Huet is the highest paid goalie on the team, so he should start...same with campbell.

He wasn't saying that Bolland and Huet have the same trade value...atleast I dont think so

 

[Savoir_Faire_18]

i never seen that.

Bowman stated that about him at the prospect tourney in pre-season...

 

[Captain Iago]

The guy is 40 and if the season ended today he would have his 7th Norris Trophy. I did say top "10ish," so it is debatable. But there is no way he is out of the top 15 off all time.

I'm with you. He's top 10 D-man in NHL history.

 

[Captain Iago]

Remember... the only reason Sharp didn't have these numbers last year was simply because he was depended on to take face-offs and play the center position. It is not a surprise to me that Sharp is having the year he is...

Second, Nick Leddy was the one who was compared to Lidstrom... not Hjalmarsson.

It actually was Hammer. Google Bowman calls Hjalmarsson little Nick Lidstrom. While there isn't a primary source, there is a wealth of secondary sources quoting Bowman.

 

[Savoir_Faire_18]

Good call... damn. lol. Sorry guys.

 

[Relapse]

I think he was saying that you can't base guys roles off of their salary...

For example, Huet is the highest paid goalie on the team, so he should start...same with campbell.

He wasn't saying that Bolland and Huet have the same trade value...atleast I dont think so

I never once tried to argue that. My point about Bolland's cap hit is that if he plays up to his potential he is worth much more than his cap hit.

 

[Jntg4]

I don't know why Atlanta would trade him... They have a really good shot st making the playoffs... They are a solid team.

Well obviously, but it has come to the Hawks mind.

 

[Everyday I'm Byfuglien]

You're not imagining things - it was actually Scotty Bowman who compared Hammer to Lidstrom.

Thank you. I was pretty sure Scotty said it, but it's kind of a crazy quote and I wasn't looking forward to the shit I'd get from everyone if it turned out I was the only one who remembered it :lol:

I would trade Campbell in a heartbeat if it was possible.

He's the best player on the team this year and you'd trade him in a heartbeat if it was possible.

I'm only buying one of those statements.

 

[southern_cross_116]

1. Dave Bolland is not untradable, I would promise you there are quite a few GMs that saw his performance last season and would take a chance on him even with his back issues and despite his overall play this season. How can you say he is only a 3rd line center at best? He was arguably our best player the entire post season last year. He shut every line he faced down and also put up a good amount of points while remaining defensively reliable, that is hard to do.

Bolland still is only 24 years old and he did put up 60 goals and a 130 points (in only 59 games) in his last season in London.

2. Did you seriously compare Christobal Huet with Dave Bolland as far as trade value? Come on get serious...

3. Patrick Sharp is a natural winger and it shows a lot of the time. He has trouble playing the middle of the ice and even though he is a capable center he is a far better winger. In fact if you watched the games you would see most of the time Sharp is actually playing the wing he just takes the draws because of his face off ability.

I have bashed Bolland this entire season, he is the biggest reason for our drop off from last year (outside of the salary cap). Still you're going to put him in the category with Cristobal Huet after a bad 40 games where he might be injured the entire time? Get fucking real... 24 year old two-way centermen are very rare in this league. I am not saying we should not look into trading him, but he defiantly has value. I still would rather hang on to him because once he gets healthy and his game back on track he is a steal at his cap hit.


Also how about pointing out Dave Bolland having 18 points in his last 20 games... he also is back to being "The Rat" over that stretch as well frustrating the other teams top lines. Yes Dave Bolland is worthless we might as well try and dump him for a couple of used pucks... lmao. I love some people on this forum.

Serious is a relative thing, isn't it... if you are seriously asking anyone to consider OHL stats as relevant to anything in the NHL I would probably be able to come up with more than a few examples of guys that had awesome OHL stats that didn't carry over in the NHL. Or if you want to take it to Juniors in general... then it tends to get a little more fun... if so, by that "logic" Yanic Perrault" would have been a god. Newsflash ... he had a couple of good seasons and devolved in to a faceoff specialist. Not to mention a journeyman, and wasn't a high round draft pick that you seem to think that big juinio stats seem to point to. If so, I got a load of crappy rookie cards from the 1990s of guys that never panned out. Pat Falloon anyone?

TboFan happens to have been exactly right with what I meant .... Huet compares to Bolland -as guys that were paid based upon their expected role on the team. Just because you chuck a load of money at a guy doesn't mean anything. If it did, then Huet would be the number 1 goalie on the team.

 

[southern_cross_116]

I never once tried to argue that. My point about Bolland's cap hit is that if he plays up to his potential he is worth much more than his cap hit.

No but you did actually try to shoehorn what I wrote in to some weird "Bolland = Huet" relativity thing - and that wasn't at all what I was writing.

 

[Relapse]

I would think Bolland is untradeable except to a sucker team.

Southern this comment alone makes me dismiss any credibiltiy you would have. Go give any GM in the NHL and ask them if they have interest in a 24 year old two-way center who's cap hit is below 4 million...

After that inform these GMs that this player shut down Joe Thornton, Jeff Carter, and Henrik Sedin completely last post season. Also inform them that when healthy this player averages a point every two games as a shut down player.


Yea only a sucker GM would bite on making a trade for that... might as well ship him to Switzerland with Huet.

 

[AddisonStation]

Southern this comment alone makes me dismiss any credibiltiy you would have. Go give any GM in the NHL and ask them if they have interest in a 24 year old two-way center who's cap hit is below 4 million...

After that inform these GMs that this player shut down Joe Thornton, Jeff Carter, and Henrik Sedin completely last post season. Also inform them that when healthy this player averages a point every two games as a shut down player.


Yea only a sucker GM would bite on making a trade for that... might as well ship him to Switzerland with Huet.

Ya you pretty much nailed it...but he's better than .50 pts per game isn't he?


Edit: youre right on his point production too..

 

[southern_cross_116]

Originally Posted by Relapse View Post
Southern this comment alone makes me dismiss any credibiltiy you would have. Go give any GM in the NHL and ask them if they have interest in a 24 year old two-way center who's cap hit is below 4 million...

After that inform these GMs that this player shut down Joe Thornton, Jeff Carter, and Henrik Sedin completely last post season. Also inform them that when healthy this player averages a point every two games as a shut down player.

Yea only a sucker GM would bite on making a trade for that... might as well ship him to Switzerland with Huet.

Whatever... 'when healthy' was what I was talking about -- in that GMs would have to be convinced that this back injury thing isn't really a lingering issue before forking out 3.6 million on Bolland -as there are other guys out there without that sort of issue that might be had. I would think these guys would be looking there first.

Obviously you disagree- ok. On the other hand, I also don't have a problem with Canadian national hockey teams either.... so "credibility" is relative too.