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see a few posts up. i agree 100%
see a few posts up. i agree 100%
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That may be so, but he was best suited for the Hawks based on his price...None of those guys were available/affordable, so we got someone who can atleast fight...
Another problem is that Scott doesnt get that many shifts...he had only 3 shifts 2 games ago...He can't just jump out there and go punch someone in the face, he has to first get on the ice
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Well the Penguins do have their enforcers in Eric Godard & Mike Rupp. The reason why there is no toughness in the West any more is because of 1 man, Brian Burke. When he was with the Ducks he put the toughest teams together and won with them. Now he is in Toronto and winning. Teams still have their tough guys and teams will need them, but Scott definately sshouldn't have been a first choice.
You guys have your opinion on enforcers, and I have mine. If i were playing professional hockey it would definately be the role I take, so maybe i'm a bit biased, but last year when Wiz took out Seabs there was conversations of how the Hawks needed to get that guy to protect our stars.
You guys have your opinion on enforcers, and I have mine. If i were playing professional hockey it would definately be the role I take, so maybe i'm a bit biased, but last year when Wiz took out Seabs there was conversations of how the Hawks needed to get that guy to protect our stars.
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he was really the only choice with the limited payroll
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Not really, there are still top name guys out there, he was brought here because hes 1 of the best at what he does
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To back Tbo up - I thought about this a bit, if you think about it - this guy is going to get more shifts at home, since the home team has the last change at play stoppages - much easier to match up on home ice off of a faceoff -which is where a lot of this type of "action" ends up taking place -right after the puck drops. So you will probably end up seeing more shifts on home ice than you would on a road game. You are not going to stick a guy like that out there for a faceoff unless you are taking it in the offensive zone most times (as the deal is again -the other team doesn't have to send their own version of a goon out there if they choose not to). It is an aspect you probably haven't seen for awhile -so I guess it is understandable that it is an alien concept.
I do think the team was hoping the guy might actually be able to play some hockey as well - but, well ... based upon the radical ice time cut -apparently they figured 'no dice'. Hey, it happens.
-Someone will correct me if I got this wrong, but wasn't Scott signed before all of the trading the team did started? If so - it might actually be that he was the best available for what Bowman figured he'd have left after he started moving guys around. But point taken - he looked pretty good for what it was that he could add to the team.
@ Everyday - look I am not saying you are wrong... I am saying that I think the guy is on the team until they work out if the guy will ever do what you were talking about. It is still pretty early - but if he isn't - then, the deal is I think he is gone and can be someone else's problem.
I do think the guy would get picked up if sent down and had to clear waivers -and that wouldn't be that big of a cap deal.
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Also, consider this - if the goon is going away, then -let's just say that under the cap situation the team had/has - there was no need to have signed this guy -so someone in the front office/behind the bench must not necessarily agree with that statement.
No not really, because because Quenneville can choose not to dress the guy -but instead keeps dressing the guy -and then skating the guy 3 shifts and then last game it looks to have been what- 6 shifts or so on home ice, which was far less than any other player for either team. If what you are saying is true - then guys like that get press box duty.
It doesn't seem like the coach's actions are matching what is happening. What it looks like is he worked out that Scott can't play, and now has him on the same sort of short leash -but the key thing is, - still dressing him (if you're a coach and you decide that you need shifts out of players -then if you follow me... you don't dress the guy you are likely only to skate for 5 or 6 minutes a game). I'm pretty sure Jack Skille is a better winger.
Based upon how you outlined the situation, isn't the problem with Quenneville's current choice to dress the guy then?
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I agree. He's on the team right now and we'll have to live with him until: 1- he improves his play and proves to be valuable or 2- he gets dumped.
I'm betting on option 2 and hopefully soon. NOBODY liked him on D and Q gave him a (limited) shot at forward in the last Buffalo game. I think it's safe to say that he's failed to impress at either position. There shouldn't be much more left.
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He really doesn't really have a choice to dress Scott right now with the Defense so thin and Hammer not player 2 games they only have 1 scratch. And Q did say he dressed him for Buffalo because of what was said in the media. I can't blame him for dressing him that game everyone and their mother thought it was going to get ugly.
If he scratches Scott then he's got Hendry. Scott = crap that= Hendry= crap so Q is stuck in between a rock and hard place right now with 2 shity players. And BTW thats probably the best math formula I've done in years.
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ahhhhhhhhhhhhh god! we dont neeeeed one! jesus christ!
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If he scratches Scott then he's got Hendry. Scott = crap that= Hendry= crap so Q is stuck in between a rock and hard place right now with 2 shity players. And BTW thats probably the best math formula I've done in years.
Not really, the past 2 games there were 6 other defensemen dressed without Hjalmarrson (I ought to just add that to my sig-- I am not going to look up how to spell a guy's name -not for this board -or any really -it isn't a report
).It seems more like it is more of a choice between Hendry and Cullimore at this point.
I appreciate the math (I got a history degree though -so it is all a moot point, isn't it
).All that being said- I wouldn't be surprised to see the guy dress again tonight against StL - ok possibly the next 3 games. All of which means running 3 lines again -and who is the odd man out?
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I find the entire Scott thing pretty interesting; I've yet to even hear of the guy doing anything in a Hawks uniform.
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Rupp also scored 13 goals last season.
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Thats because Rupp = BEAST
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I disagree
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I agree with TBO
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Scott needs to hurry up and drop them... I am sick of watching him fall down, I want to see him drop someone else.
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I got a feeling we might get to see him go tonight, either with Janssen or Crombeen (Scott & Crombeen fought in pre-season)
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I'd be all for seeing the big guy drop the glove tonight.. Time to see a good scrap.
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Scott deserves a little more time and he needs to just get in a fight soon and beat the shit out of a guy.
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than you and icehog are complete turds.
The game has changed....and has changed alot. this is now a finesse game and has become what the nhl has wanted for a longtime (international style) of play. the fighting in the years to come will keep dropping and dropping. Alot of teams are going in the international direction of style of play, teams are much smarter now....not carrying a body just to enforce.
I grew up watching this game with the proberts, ciccarellis, mansons, grimsons,,,,,which alot of you are not old enough to remember. those days are far over.
how did having an enforcer work out for the nucks and flyers?
they win the fight
we win the game..........period.
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