Boozer reveals ligaments torn

[Lex L.]

Noah always steps up his game in the playoffs. Since Boozer isn't as energitic as Noah is, his numbers will go down anyways. On top of that, as mentioned earlier, he's been playing injured pretty much all season. The playoffs haven't been good to Boozer, but despite his foot injuries, he's averaging 9 and 9 a game, not the numbers his salary is worth, but not as bad as fans make it out to be either. He was and never will be known as a defensive player, but that's fine when you have Deng and Noah shutting players down on that end of the court.



True, but as mentioned earlier, you and I would still give him crap for not playing during the playoffs. I give him credit for not taking himself out of the series.

Thiobodeau's downfall may be playing these guys too hard during the regular season, as mentioned by many on here.



Another Chicago athlete who got a ton of crap was Soriano who was playing on a bum knee 2 or 3 years ago. Now that he's healthy, rehabbed and got his surgeries, I don't see or hear any criticism of him anymore.

Meh. A lot of his rebounds are fluff. He pads his stats by competing with his own guys for rebounds when the other team has been boxed out and is already running down court. I thought he was going to break Bogans arm one time going for a rebound that no one on the opposing team was near.

 

[houheffna]

Noah always steps up his game in the playoffs. Since Boozer isn't as energitic as Noah is, his numbers will go down anyways. On top of that, as mentioned earlier, he's been playing injured pretty much all season. The playoffs haven't been good to Boozer, but despite his foot injuries, he's averaging 9 and 9 a game, not the numbers his salary is worth, but not as bad as fans make it out to be either. He was and never will be known as a defensive player, but that's fine when you have Deng and Noah shutting players down on that end of the court.



True, but as mentioned earlier, you and I would still give him crap for not playing during the playoffs. I give him credit for not taking himself out of the series.

Thiobodeau's downfall may be playing these guys too hard during the regular season, as mentioned by many on here.



Another Chicago athlete who got a ton of crap was Soriano who was playing on a bum knee 2 or 3 years ago. Now that he's healthy, rehabbed and got his surgeries, I don't see or hear any criticism of him anymore.

Totally agree...why people have to be amateur psychologists is beyond me. Why is he struggling? Is he afraid? Of who? Hansbrough? Josh Smith? Karl Malone those guys are not. What it comes down to is here is a guy who balled against Yao and Andrew Bynum and held his own in the past. He is injured now and I don't think he fully healed after what happened in Charlotte. It is what it is....

 

[WindyCity7]

Totally agree...why people have to be amateur psychologists is beyond me. Why is he struggling? Is he afraid? Of who? Hansbrough? Josh Smith? Karl Malone those guys are not. What it comes down to is here is a guy who balled against Yao and Andrew Bynum and held his own in the past. He is injured now and I don't think he fully healed after what happened in Charlotte. It is what it is....

:clap: i agree with the whole post but i can also see some plays he totally checks out if something doesnt go his way & he wont get back that has nothing to do with an injury

 

[houheffna]

:clap: i agree with the whole post but i can also see some plays he totally checks out if something doesnt go his way & he wont get back that has nothing to do with an injury

Definitely...he pouts and bitches when he doesn't get his way...like in New Jersey, when he was put on the bench by Thibs for letting Jay Humphries manhandle him. But his output is most unusual.

 

[WindyCity7]

Humpries took boozer to the woodshed :smh:

 

[nwfisch]

Sorry but the Boozer apologists are going to have to come up with a reason for why he sucked before the turf toe.

19 points and 9 rebounds A GAME during the regular season "sucks?"

While we're at it, lets criticize Luol Deng, his rebounds went down by this season from 7.4 rebounds a game to 5.8 a game. His scoring dropped from 17.6 a game last year to 17.4. Luol Deng sucks.

 

[nwfisch]

Meh. A lot of his rebounds are fluff. He pads his stats by competing with his own guys for rebounds when the other team has been boxed out and is already running down court. I thought he was going to break Bogans arm one time going for a rebound that no one on the opposing team was near.

One time makes up for 100% of his rebounds.

Who cares if his rebounds are fluff? 9 rebounds a game is 9 rebounds a game, no matter who you do it against, and on top of that, Boozer did that in only 30 minutes a game during the playoffs.

 

[Diddy1122]

Sorry but the Boozer apologists are going to have to come up with a reason for why he sucked before the turf toe.

You were given examples earlier in this thread. Boozer has not played great since his horrific fall against the Bobcats, but he's not been plain awful as many of you on here believe. In the 13 games since that fall til the postseason, he recorded 6 double doubles, grabbed 22 boards in 1 game, recorded 4+ assists 6 times, averaged 10.5 boards per game, all this on a bum ankle & strained knee. Was he 20-10 or 18-10 or whatever? No, but let's not act like the guy was Oliver Miller out there.

Simple fact is the guy is playing injured. Anyone who's ever suffered a foot or leg injury who plays a sport knows how difficult it is not to just go out there & attempt to play, but be efficient & play at a high level. Boozer is doing the best he can with what he can right now. I would be crucifying him just like the rest of you if I didn't think he was gutting it out & doing his best to help the team win. And honestly, he's not killing us out there so I don't mind him being out on the floor. Just him being out there, helps open things up for Rose, even if Boozer is not scoring alot.

 

[nwfisch]

Boozer has not played great since his horrific fall against the Bobcats, but he's not been plain awful as many of you on here believe. No, but let's not act like the guy was Oliver Miller out there.

Simple fact is the guy is playing injured.

This.

There is a difference between playing hurt and playing injured. Rose is more playing hurt than injured and vice versa for Boozer.

 

[Diddy1122]

This.

There is a difference between playing hurt and playing injured. Rose is more playing hurt than injured and vice versa for Boozer.

Agreed. Everyone at this point of the season is a little hurt, with nicks & bruises. But playing with torn ligaments in your toe is an entirely different level of hurt.

 

[Lex L.]

19 points and 9 rebounds A GAME during the regular season "sucks?"

While we're at it, lets criticize Luol Deng, his rebounds went down by this season from 7.4 rebounds a game to 5.8 a game. His scoring dropped from 17.6 a game last year to 17.4. Luol Deng sucks.

Im talking about the playoffs. Boozer has been garbage even befor the turf toe injury, which was in game 5.

 

[Lex L.]

One time makes up for 100% of his rebounds.

Who cares if his rebounds are fluff? 9 rebounds a game is 9 rebounds a game, no matter who you do it against, and on top of that, Boozer did that in only 30 minutes a game during the playoffs.

Not really. Take Noah for example. He gets a ton of rebounds at the offensive end, often going against multiple guys defending the basket. Not only that, but Noah is a master at tipping a ball up for grabs out to one of his teammates. If Noah tried to grab those, he'd have even more rebounds and he'd be playing like Boozer.

 

[Uman85]

Like I said in the game thread for game 3, sit him for the rest of the series and try to get him as close to 100% as you can before the next round.

 

[Lex L.]

You were given examples earlier in this thread. Boozer has not played great since his horrific fall against the Bobcats, but he's not been plain awful as many of you on here believe. In the 13 games since that fall til the postseason, he recorded 6 double doubles, grabbed 22 boards in 1 game, recorded 4+ assists 6 times, averaged 10.5 boards per game, all this on a bum ankle & strained knee. Was he 20-10 or 18-10 or whatever? No, but let's not act like the guy was Oliver Miller out there.

Simple fact is the guy is playing injured. Anyone who's ever suffered a foot or leg injury who plays a sport knows how difficult it is not to just go out there & attempt to play, but be efficient & play at a high level. Boozer is doing the best he can with what he can right now. I would be crucifying him just like the rest of you if I didn't think he was gutting it out & doing his best to help the team win. And honestly, he's not killing us out there so I don't mind him being out on the floor. Just him being out there, helps open things up for Rose, even if Boozer is not scoring alot.

For this "since the Bobcats injury" excuse to hold any weight, someone needs to look at what he was doing between that injury and the beginning of the playoffs and then after the playoffs started. So, lets say he was a 14 and 9 guy after the injury but before the playoffs and he's a 9 and 9 guy during the playoffs, someone needs to explain a 33% drop off.

 

[nwfisch]

Not really. Take Noah for example. He gets a ton of rebounds at the offensive end, often going against multiple guys defending the basket. Not only that, but Noah is a master at tipping a ball up for grabs out to one of his teammates. If Noah tried to grab those, he'd have even more rebounds and he'd be playing like Boozer.

The bolded part doesn't even make any sense.

Noah always steps up his game in the playoffs. Since Boozer isn't as energitic as Noah is, his numbers will go down anyways. On top of that, as mentioned earlier, he's been playing injured pretty much all season. The playoffs haven't been good to Boozer, but despite his foot injuries, he's averaging 9 and 9 a game, not the numbers his salary is worth, but not as bad as fans make it out to be either.

There is my argument, where's yours? Other than the fact you don't like the way Boozer is playing; which I think we all agree upon here.

 

[Lex L.]

The bolded part doesn't even make any sense.



There is my argument, where's yours? Other than the fact you don't like the way Boozer is playing; which I think we all agree upon here.

It makes sense but you simply didnt understand it. Boozer tries to pad his stats. He does it by competing with his own players for rebounds. Not only does Noah defer to Boozer on a lot of 50/50 rebounds but Noah will try to tip a ball thats up for grabs out to a perimeter player rather than risk losing the rebound to a post player he'd be going up against. If Noah were like Boozer and obsessed with padding stats, not only would he be competing against Boozer for rebounds, he'd lose rebounds against post players from the other teams because he's trying to get numbers instead of tipping it out.

 

[nwfisch]

For this "since the Bobcats injury" excuse to hold any weight, someone needs to look at what he was doing between that injury and the beginning of the playoffs and then after the playoffs started. So, lets say he was a 14 and 9 guy after the injury but before the playoffs and he's a 9 and 9 guy during the playoffs, someone needs to explain a 33% drop off.

Carlos Boozer Game By Game Stats and Performance - Chicago Bulls - ESPN


There's Boozers stats for the season, notice he did have big games against the TWolves, Pistons, Cavaliers, Kings, and Raptors after the Bobcats injury.

Playoff basketball teams are much tougher than those opponents, and him being hurt from that injury, along with the sprain he suffered against Miami, injury to begin the year, he's been injured all year.

 

[nwfisch]

It makes sense but you simply didnt understand it. Boozer tries to pad his stats. He does it by competing with his own players for rebounds. Not only does Noah defer to Boozer on a lot of 50/50 rebounds but Noah will try to tip a ball thats up for grabs out to a perimeter player rather than risk losing the rebound to a post player he'd be going up against. If Noah were like Boozer and obsessed with padding stats, not only would he be competing against Boozer for rebounds, he'd lose rebounds against post players from the other teams because he's trying to get numbers instead of tipping it out.

If Noah were playing like Boozer, the Bulls wouldn't have signed Boozer in the first place, Boozer is a career 20/10 player, something Noah is not.

I can't see how you can compare Noah to Boozer when they are on the same team and play different positions. It's not fair either because as I mentioned earlier, they are different types of players at different positions.

It's like comparing apples with oranges. Boozer and Noah are both frontcourt starters on the Bulls and that's all they have in common.

 

[Lex L.]

If Noah were playing like Boozer, the Bulls wouldn't have signed Boozer in the first place, Boozer is a career 20/10 player, something Noah is not.

I can't see how you can compare Noah to Boozer when they are on the same team and play different positions. It's not fair either because as I mentioned earlier, they are different types of players at different positions.

It's like comparing apples with oranges. Boozer and Noah are both frontcourt starters on the Bulls and that's all they have in common.

If you don't understand it, you don't understand it. But go off in some other direction because you didnt understand it.

 

[nwfisch]

Im talking about the playoffs. Boozer has been garbage even befor the turf toe injury, which was in game 5.

2 double doubles and 1 12 pt game and 1 11 rebound game is garbage. OK. It's just mindless bashing to say he's been playing like garbage in the whole playoffs.