Do you REALLY think Bosh will share minutes with Beasley ?!?! REALLY ?!?
C'mon. It's one of these:
- Bosh plays center with Beasley at PF (not great IMO, cause Bosh is too light to play C lots of minutes)
- Bosh plays PF and Beasley is moved to SF (he has range on his shot, so I think he might adapt fairly easy)
- Bosh plays PF and Beasley comes off the bench or is traded
- Bosh is no center. Not even part time. This has been tried and it failed.
- Again, no. Beasley would not fit in as a SF. His skill-set and ballhandling fits a PF.
- More likely, but the latest scoring outspurts and a potentially good playoffs could change that easily.
Regardless of what you think, this
will present a problem.
I think it's your logic that is flawed, cause the Heat have the same GM/President that promised a parade and delivered. Paxson at this moment has nothing to help his credibility other than what he did as a player, which isn't that much.
Riles has 5 titles. He has the credentials. He can come to Bosh and say: "I promised a parade and delivered. Join us and I promise you'll get a title."
What can Paxson say ? "Join us and perhaps next time maybe we won't miss out on a good coach. Maybe." ????
So what? What the hell does that matter? Nothing is guarenteed anyway. Take today as an example. Riley could buy him a house shaped as the Larry O'Brien championship trophy, and it still wouldn't matter. Promises of a ring are truely and utterly worthless.
Besides, who's to say the Bulls won't be in the same hunt for a title as soon as Bosh is on board?
All these are a matter of opinion. So far Paxson and Vinnie did NOT prove themselves - and by that I mean building a contender, or at least a team that's constantly winning. If you need to hire a mason and 2 people come for the interview, one of them says "I built 5 houses" and the other one says "Well, I laid a few bricks so far" who you gonna hire ?!
Still completely irrelevant. For one, this is the NBA. Not a construction site. Second of all, the players hold the power. Was Doc Rivers considered an elite coach before he got Allen and KG? No, he was close to being fired actually.
The selling point you're trying to make is ridiculously low on the list, and not even worth mentioning. This is a 'what have you done for me lately' league, and a ring three years ago means squad. If Miami should pull the incredible upset and win this year, then you'll be right. Otherwise, that selling point means absolutley nothing.
You overrate the Bulls situation.
And you underrate it.
Yes, it is.
There is no cap space, the Bulls have 2 massively overpaid players. Hinrich and Deng were overpaid when they signed those contracts. And then they started playing worse. Especially in this economy, how desirable do you think the contracts of Hinrich and Deng are ?!
Hinrich is not massively overpaid. That's ridiculous to even say that. He's owed $26 million on a declining deal for another three years. Excellent value for a starting point guard in the NBA. Something he would be on another team.
And having expiring contracts doesn't necessarily mean you have flexibility if the players whose contracts expire are filling a role for your team.
That depends. Are those role players moved for a star? If so, then yes. That's flexibility at it's finest. Since Bosh is a star, and we'd be trying to move those kind of contracts to get him, you have to look at them as financial options. Since we have two semi-large and one big, I'd say that's a good place to start.
Assuming you include Tyrus in a trade for Bosh, if you let Miller expire and not resign him (so you can have flexibility) who's gonna be your 3rd big ? Aaron Gray ? Are you kidding me ? And if you keep Miller, than you will have to pay let's say 5 million per season if not more. Then it's not a 12 million expiring anymore, is it ?
That made absolutely no sense.
What you're saying is, if we keep Miller, let him expire, and then re-sign him.. He's no longer an expiring? I thought that was well known by everyone that once a player becomes a FA, he will no longer be an expiring contract.......
No, the Cavs have flexibility with the contracts of Snow and Szczerbiak. Well, they had it but chose not to trade Wally. And they will have MAJOR FLEXIBILITY in 2010 when without the contract of Lebron they only have contracts worth 20 million.
Again. You're not really making sense here. What does Wally have to do with this? Cleveland had flexibility in the off-season and will again this summer with Wally off the cap. In 2010 they will also have flexibility. But what does that have to do with us?
See, now you contradict yourself.
I'm really not.
I said Miami would have flexibility EVEN AFTER getting Bosh.
If the Bulls get Bosh, that's it. They won't have any other desirable contracts other than Rose and, maybe, Noah (but Noah alone won't bring much back). They won't have picks and for sure they won't have cap space.
How would Miami have flexibility? Wade plus Bosh would take up a huge chunk of the salary cap. Since you also have to give Toronto something for Bosh, Miami would lose a lot of decent talent. The Bulls might not have a lot of movable contracts after a Bosh deal, but so what? We'll have Chris Bosh!
The problem is that Bosh alone won't make the Bulls championship material, and since they won't have flexibility, they won't be able to improve except via late 1st round picks so they will be stuck.
In your opinion maybe. I disagree. Rose + Bosh + Noah + Salmons or Deng + a possible BG return is a team I'd say could be a contender right off the bat.
Their only chance would be to hope a star falls in their lap a la "Gasol to the Lakers", but otherwise the Bulls would find themselves where the Rockets and Nuggets were the past seasons: always making the playoffs but never being a real contender.
Considering the Atlanta Hawks just made the 4th seed with Joe Johnson and Mike Bibby as their best players, I quite simply don't agree with that sentiment. I think we'd have a contending team if we gave up our picks, expiring deals and Tyrus for Bosh. Easily.
You keep coming back to money. That's your only real valid argument (although considering Doug's point of Miami having no state income tax, even that one is not valid anymore).
Even with the tax argument, a case can be made for Chicago. The size of the market plays a huge part in this. Bosh on a succesful Chicago Bulls team can make at least $10 million on the side each season through commercials and whatnot. He won't see that kind of money in Miami. Adding up everything, and Bosh could in fact be earning more here.
And in fact we don't even need to limit the conversation at Miami. What I was trying to do was to point out that in reality there aren't many reasons to believe Bosh will end up with the Bulls and I chose the Heat as an example of a team able to offer him more.
Again, I disagree. I think you're selling us way short. Not ever underestimate the attraction of a large market, and especially a large market that has a star rookie point guard on a team that just made the playoffs. We're standing strong, wheter you want to believe it or not.
But we can go to the Cavs if you want. In 2010 they'll have enough cap space to sign a major FA (after retaining Lebron) and then still have room to offer another contract or 2. I suppose Z will stay with them and give them a big discount, Varejao will get a raise, Ben Wallace may retire, but by then JJ Hickson might be good enough to round out the front court and they'll still have Mo Williams, Delonte and Boobie in the back court. And recently Kidd said he might consider going to the Cavs this summer.
In the summer of 2009, the majority of the 2010 free agents will likely sign extensions. That could include Chris Bosh. Only, he might want to do it with another team than Toronto. Since Cleveland can't absorb salary, and doesn't have the necessary pieces to make a valid pitch to Toronto, their chances are low. If Bosh test the waters in 2010 and not 2009, then yes. You'd be right. But both Bosh and Colangelo has said there will be talks over the summer, which strongly indicates it's 2009 and not 2010 he signs.
Why wouldn't Bosh want to go to Cleveland in this case ? He doesn't have to request a trade, and he can even let any team that might want to trade for him know (through his agent) that he won't stay there. So he kills all trades, plays out his contract and then signs with the Cavs. Does it seem that far fetched ? Not to me.
Exactly what he can do with the Bulls as well. As Doug said, he'll have a short list. But let's say Cleveland offers Toronto JJ Hickson and Zydrunas Ilgauskas. Toronto would be better off hanging onto Chris a year longer in hope to change his mind. It's really not as cut and dry as you make it out to be.
Again, I am 99.99% sure that you won't see Bosh in a Bulls uniform anytime soon. If ever. You just have to remember that the Bulls missed out on Gasol, on Kobe (when he was basically begging the Bulls to trade for him) and on D'Antoni, and remember all the blunders by the front office and then ask yourself if you have confidence in them to actually build a contender. The only way the Bulls become a contender is by accident or if the ownership and/or front office change.
Kobe was never really in play. You should know that. Gasol was vetoed by JR and is an inferior player to Bosh anyway, so JR might agree to a Bosh trade. D'Antoni is 100% correct. I don't know what went wrong there.
But the mid-season trade really did wonders for my confidence in the FO. You may not be a believer, which is fine. But you're most certainly not dragging me down with you in that department. I have confidence that the Bulls will make a valid pitch for Bosh or Amare Stoudemire. We did all we could at the deadline, which means we're active and ready to move pieces around.
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