brad miller

[pinkizdead]

what the hell happened? why did he start playing again?????!!?!?!?!?!?!?!

 

[pinkizdead]

i mean he could have given us this level of play a couple months ago. just saying.

 

[Shakes]

Everything is coming up Bulls, Kirk/Salmons/Miller have all risen from the grave.

 

[clonetrooper264]

I don't think Rose plays nearly as well if Miller/Salmons/Hinrich don't play as well as they have. The spacing that these guys give when they play well opens up a lot for Rose to do his thing.

 

[houheffna]

I don't think Rose plays nearly as well if Miller/Salmons/Hinrich don't play as well as they have. The spacing that these guys give when they play well opens up a lot for Rose to do his thing.

While I think those guys have a level of credit due to them for Rose's success, only one guy was getting double teamed routinely yesterday against New Orleans over the course of the game...something that hasn't happen since the Bulls last all-star was on the floor...this is about Derrick Rose and I don't think his success is as dependent on the success of those shooters as you do...

 

[Shakes]

I'm sticking to the story I was telling when Rose was playing badly ... stars make their own space. That said, the people who were blaming Rose being bad on the lack of Ben Gordon have been remarkably quiet about giving any credit to his supporting cast now he's playing well.

 

[houheffna]

I'm sticking to the story I was telling when Rose was playing badly ... stars make their own space. That said, the people who were blaming Rose being bad on the lack of Ben Gordon have been remarkably quiet about giving any credit to his supporting cast now he's playing well.

Actually now, they refer to how bad those guys played "earlier in the year"....and blame them for Rose not blowing up sooner...My thing is I don't see anybody saying right now that the Bulls miss Ben Gordon, which is what I stated would be the case...he would be missed early but the Derrick Rose we see today would not have progressed this far if Gordon was around.

 

[TheStig]

Your right, all it took to not really miss BG is everyone else hitting their stride all at once. Even so, I prefer Rose to learn how to guard pgs. I don't want him type cast as a bad defender and kirk isn't going to be around his whole career.

 

[houheffna]

Your right, all it took to not really miss BG is everyone else hitting their stride all at once. Even so, I prefer Rose to learn how to guard pgs. I don't want him type cast as a bad defender and kirk isn't going to be around his whole career.

Absolutely...he cannot get by because he is scoring well. I tell you what (in my best Norm Van Lier) if he keeps going to the playoffs, he will either get better or be exposed. That is why I like the playoffs, the microscope is on...though Rose was a rookie, his defense against Boston at times was downright embarrassing. But he has room to grow defensively and I believe he will.

I wish the Bulls would pay Gary Payton a couple 100k to come in and work with Rose...but then again, Hinrich aint bad to learn from...

 

[pinkizdead]

defense wins championships and what not, but if rose can improve his court vision, and maybe extend his range so that a team would ahve to respect him from the 3pt line, i'll be satisfied with sub par defense.

 

[houheffna]

Then you have to have a good defensive guy next to him...Parker/Bowen, Nash/Raja Bell etc. But I am hard pressed to find a real good defensive pg anyway...

 

[clonetrooper264]

It's either Rose improves on D or we have to go with what Houston said. This is why the Hinrich-Gordon backcourt worked: Gordon was lights out on offense and Kirk guarded the best perimeter player so Gordon wouldn't die on defense. I'd say it worked pretty well. For the time being, this is what the Rose-Hinrich backcourt is doing, but as Stig said, Hinrich will not be here forever. Rose has the potential to be a pretty darn good defender with his skills. I'm all for him just becoming a better defender because as a player, that makes him a true superstar (because he's not going to average like 35 ppg like Carmelo I don't think).

 

[TheStig]

Wasn't Rose good at defense in college? What happened, he has the quickness, length and strength to guard anyone.

 

[clonetrooper264]

TheStig wrote:

Wasn't Rose good at defense in college? What happened, he has the quickness, length and strength to guard anyone.

I'm not sure how good of a defender he was in college, but I'd guess that because the NBA is full of freak athletes like him, he doesn't have that big of an advantage in those categories anymore, making him a worse defender than he was in college.

 

[pinkizdead]

also it's a lot to ask, to have him be the focus of the offensive, and a defensive stopper.

 

[Shakes]

I agree, even good defenders like Kobe are given the easy defensive assignment a lot of the time just to allow them to rest. A defensive SG next to Rose makes a lot of sense even if he does become a great defender.

 

[clonetrooper264]

Shakes wrote:

I agree, even good defenders like Kobe are given the easy defensive assignment a lot of the time just to allow them to rest. A defensive SG next to Rose makes a lot of sense even if he does become a great defender.

While that does make a lot of sense, it would still be good for Rose to become a good defender because that way, he's not a liability or a one way player. For players as a whole, 2 way players are a lot more marketable as superstars and the like than one way players for obvious reasons.

 

[TheStig]

clonetrooper264 wrote:

TheStig wrote:

Wasn't Rose good at defense in college? What happened, he has the quickness, length and strength to guard anyone.

I'm not sure how good of a defender he was in college, but I'd guess that because the NBA is full of freak athletes like him, he doesn't have that big of an advantage in those categories anymore, making him a worse defender than he was in college.

Sure he does, he still has huge athletic advantages over every pg in the league. Otherwise he wouldn't be dominating, Rose isn't exactly stockton out there. The level of athleticism has certainly increased in the nba but he is still leaps and bounds a head of almost ever other pg.

 

[TheStig]

Shakes wrote:

I agree, even good defenders like Kobe are given the easy defensive assignment a lot of the time just to allow them to rest. A defensive SG next to Rose makes a lot of sense even if he does become a great defender.

What are you talking about? Kobe almost exclusively guards SGS and if he does switch to guard a weaker defender, he is deferring to a dpoy. Furthermore, its a lot easier to switch between wing positions than it is between sg and pg. Kirk is really a pg who can guard sgs, its quite a bit different for real sgs. Most don't have the quickness to guard elite pgs. Rose needs to man up and get over the young player defensive issues and focus on it. Its not a physical issue, its all mental with him. There is no reason he can't become a average on that end.

 

[houheffna]

Sure he does, he still has huge athletic advantages over every pg in the league. Otherwise he wouldn't be dominating, Rose isn't exactly stockton out there. The level of athleticism has certainly increased in the nba but he is still leaps and bounds a head of almost ever other pg.

almost...not Evans and "dars a boy a' comin' from the hills of Kentucky named Wall..." lol...