BREAKING: Blackhawks to hold briefing on Jenner & Block investigation

[DaHawkz24]

For our readers....

What was said and when to Aldridge?

Did nobody take him aside and ask wtf is going on? Did he have a lie he told 3 weeks before the cup?

I have posted this question as well... None of my questions have been really answered haha

there is no account of any meeting with Aldrich after the report of what he was doing even at the most minor level like providing underage players alcohol.

Also, Rick Westhead should push for more info on the NHLPA/NHL in general, Notre Dame, Miami Ohio, Brads dad (positive references?) and the high school.

All of this didnt happen soley because the Blackhawks and the goal of all the outrage is to fix the issues.

 

[KBIB]

This is the thing I don’t get, Sopel and Boynton and being labeled as hero’s when an actual hero would have went to the police.

I cannot fathom this. If a person was raped, you go to the police. There is no taking it to team presidents bullshit. If a child is raped by a teacher, are you going to the principal or the cops?

Im done talking about this. This whole situation is sketchy as are all the parties involved.

This Hawks team has committed eye rape every time they set their skates on the ice this year. Hey Rocky, do something about it

 

[DaHawkz24]

This is the thing I don’t get, Sopel and Boynton and being labeled as hero’s when an actual hero would have went to the police.

I cannot fathom this. If a person was raped, you go to the police. There is no taking it to team presidents bullshit. If a child is raped by a teacher, are you going to the principal or the cops?

Im done talking about this. This whole situation is sketchy as are all the parties involved.

This Hawks team has committed eye rape every time they set their skates on the ice this year. Hey Rocky, do something about it

Sopel and Boynten are the ones with the "he wants to jerk off/touch players genitals" So they did the right thing bringing the rumors to someone they trusted. Are those go to the police rumors?

The Blackhawks management are the ones that knew more, and didnt find out how bad it was if they didnt know the extent. James Gary probably found out the whole story eventually.

NHLPA and Notre Dame didnt do anything to investigate Aldrich either (MAYBE Notre Dame had no incidents with him). Miami Ohio acted similar to the Hawks and he still got to the high school. How?

 

[blackpep72]

Full disclosure, I've been accused of a sexual assault in college I didn't do but do understand why I was the first suspect in a messy alcohol situation.

Rape is not cool but it's also not cool to be ruined by false accusations or a misunderstanding that was not fully or properly investigated to get to the truth.

So very true.

 

[LordKOTL]

Didn't Kane's scenario also include an accuser who was found to have tampered with evidence and falsely accused others of rape in the past?

Yes. If I remember the timeline of Kane's scenario, the accuses (or a relative thereof) tried to plant an evidence bag *after* there was a report that Kane's DNA was found on the woman's neck and shoulders, and the lad's DNA was found under Kane's fingernails, but there were 3 separate DNA semen profiles found in the woman's rape kit, none of them were Kane's.

Did they think they needed their video coach that bad?

I dont understand what made the idea of a suspension to get Aldridge at least away from team during investigation period so abhorrent?

Afraid to draw attention?
They needed his video skills?

The thing that they should have done, as mentioned, was put Aldrich on Administrative leave pending an investigation. If nothing else that would have prevented a hostile work environment.

What reasoning was there that made what Q and Stan did criminal and punishable?

I dont think misreading the situation or failing to know how to handle it in 2010 from their roles was a firing offense 12 years later.

I don't think what they did was criminal. But it did violated the Blackhawks own code of conduct which is indeed a fireable offense.

Complicated because Stan should have been fired in off-season with this coming at the latest. Messy because of Stan/Q rift. But I don't blame the hockey coach for wanting to focus on his core team of 20-25 guys trying to win a cup.

That's his job. His comment of focus should have been for him and his team only and others should have handled it better.

This is unknown. If Q had the power to put Aldrich on administrative leave unilaterally, he should have. I don't know if he could have though. I think the main point of Q being forced out was the optics: Up until the report got released he reported he knew nothing of the situation. The report contradicts that. People have been forced to resign for less because it looked like he knew, and intentionally covered up.

But also, while they failed to perceive a messy drug alcohol hetero debauchery turned *** rape incident correctly, they probably didn't feel they had the evidence for ruining Aldridge and going after him publicly, nor wanted to air their debauchery culture laundry publicly.

Again, if Beach's word is true it's not rape; it's sexual assault. To laypeople it might be splitting hairs but there is a difference.

But again...how is that the head hockey coaches responsibility in that moment? To me knowing Q that wasn't his sphere and he wanted nothing to do with discussions. That should have been fine and others should have handled it.

I cant really work with humans because if I'm the mental skills coach and I know this shit about a colleague I'm probably going to throat punch him in the hallway and put a permanent fear of God into them if I snap and they survive. Then I'm the one removed from society.

See Above: Q removing Aldrich from the team in the moment may or may have not been in his sphere. If it was he should have done it. If not he's okay in that regard, but saying you know nothing about an alleged incident, then a report coming out that says not only did you know about it, but your statements could have been construed as, "The playoffs are more important than a player being sexually assaulted."? That looks bad. Not as bad as McD, Stan, McIssac, Gary, and Aldrich, but it looks bad.

Kudos for mentioning mental skills coach Gary another of the three most culpable who also escapes the wrath.

#1. McD tells his FO and staff that he'll personally handle the situation and then waits over two weeks to report it to HR.
#2. Mr 'I'm so pissed' Vincent is the guy the victim trusted to help him and did nothing other than hand it to McD at the time. Who could possibly have more responsibility to go to the law than a former law enforcement officer and why pass on going directly to HR himself after being the only team official to actually hear the allegation?
#3 Mr Gary. This guy's fucking trained to handle these situations,reprotedly met with the victim and it sounds like he either didn't believe the victim and may have actually told him it was partially his fault.
The report has SB also pointing his finger at McD and Q as the two who wanted to concentrate on the finals instead of the allegations but the report didn't say what SB wanted to concentrate on for some reason or what anyone else in the meeting had to say for some reason. The report(like Prince Daniel)also brought up the fact that SB was a 1st year GM for some reason . Maybe the 1st year GM just followed McD's orders like everyone else but he was the GM and 2nd in seniority and he knew his father held much sway with the owner.

SB and Q paid the ultimate price,so be it but what price did the most culpable pay?

I've made my disdain for Gary well known. What he did is all sorts of ethical breaches. From what I understand he's retired so I'm not sure what else could be done to him at this point, both legally or professionally. But I'd hope if he does operate in some professional capability that all of his certifications and licenses are taken away. And I would hope that McD doesn't work in sports for a long, long, long time for this, if ever again. Ditto with Stan.

On another board I explained the likely reasoning of Vincent to you.

 

[Granada]

This is the thing I don’t get, Sopel and Boynton and being labeled as hero’s when an actual hero would have went to the police.

I cannot fathom this. If a person was raped, you go to the police. There is no taking it to team presidents bullshit. If a child is raped by a teacher, are you going to the principal or the cops?

Im done talking about this. This whole situation is sketchy as are all the parties involved.

This Hawks team has committed eye rape every time they set their skates on the ice this year. Hey Rocky, do something about it

It's real easy to say the players should have gone to the police, but you can't just show up at a police station and say, "I heard so-and-so was involved in such-and-such against some other person who is not me and who I only know from a fellow-employee standpoint at best. Can you do something about it?" It only takes a sliver of common sense to know that the police need more than just a word-of-mouth rumor to actually act, especially when you are not the victim him or herself.

If you want to blame the players for not going to HR, that argument would have a little more merit, but HR already knew about it anyway. If Cheveldayoff was blame-free in this situation, as the NHL deemed, then you can't blame the players who were in an even lower rank, right?

Like I said before, I blame all the upper management; I support all the firings that have taken place; I would have even supported firing Chevy, but I understand the NHL's argument. But I think blaming the players themselves is a bridge too far because again, all they had was a locker room rumor.

 

[Granada]

Lol you are such a dweeb. Unsurprising you hate Sean Avery.

Your takes in this thread read like someone whomst got slammed into lockers in hs and would be happy if your bullies got raped. Nice moral compass you have there, dorkchop.

Honest question here: do you even know who Sean Avery is? Without looking him up? If you think it's unsurprising that he hates Avery, is it because you don't?

 

[LordKOTL]

It's real easy to say the players should have gone to the police, but you can't just show up at a police station and say, "I heard so-and-so was involved in such-and-such against some other person who is not me and who I only know from a fellow-employee standpoint at best. Can you do something about it?" It only takes a sliver of common sense to know that the police need more than just a word-of-mouth rumor to actually act, especially when you are not the victim him or herself.

If you want to blame the players for not going to HR, that argument would have a little more merit, but HR already knew about it anyway. If Cheveldayoff was blame-free in this situation, as the NHL deemed, then you can't blame the players who were in an even lower rank, right?

Like I said before, I blame all the upper management; I support all the firings that have taken place; I would have even supported firing Chevy, but I understand the NHL's argument. But I think blaming the players themselves is a bridge too far because again, all they had was a locker room rumor.

With respect to the bolded, It's advised that people DON'T do that unless they are a mandatory reporter. I think the only one on the 'hawks that would have been is Gary, and I don't know if he was or not.

The best thing a player could have done with today's knowledge (which means that back then I wouldn't have expected them to know and thus won't hold it against them, would have been to offer to accompany a victim to the authorities, HR, a trusted therapist (which Gary *should* have been but proved he wasn't) as moral support.

But if someone would have gone behind Beach's back? That likely would have caused him to completely close down, lose trust in his confidant and possibly everyone who could have done the right thing, and would have set things back.

 

[MassHavoc]

I am just going to add some opinion, while it's no excuse and still everyone involved should have been more upfront and active in taking appropriate action, you have to remember that 11 years ago was just a completely different time for things like this and the prevailing attitudes that still existed probably heavily contributed to how it was handled. It hasn't been until much more recent that some movements and other high profile things have created a more responsive LIFE and WORK environments for these sorts of things to be handled correctly. It took a lot of work by a lot of people over the last decade to make something like this actually come to light. It should have then, and is past due now, but it shows how far these issues have come. Within many of the posters here generation, it wasn't uncommon for sexual harassment and more, to be part of the culture in workplaces. And there is still a long way to go in a lot of areas, but it's not a switch that has been flipped and sometimes we read these things with a bit of recency bias as to what someone should or shouldn't have done, what someone was or wasn't educated about, again, not any excuses.

11 years ago I didn't have kids, I was only married for a short period of time, lived downtown, I was a much much different person and have learned and changed a lot since then. I think some things require context sometimes when every little thing is under a microscope, and especially when pieces are being told through the memories over a decade old. This report should have been done and come out that summer. And I'm hopeful going forward if anything like this happens, not just with the hawks, that this is a takeaway that can be learned from and will allow others to act appropriately immediately.

 

[KBIB]

It's real easy to say the players should have gone to the police, but you can't just show up at a police station and say, "I heard so-and-so was involved in such-and-such against some other person who is not me and who I only know from a fellow-employee standpoint at best. Can you do something about it?" It only takes a sliver of common sense to know that the police need more than just a word-of-mouth rumor to actually act, especially when you are not the victim him or herself.

If you want to blame the players for not going to HR, that argument would have a little more merit, but HR already knew about it anyway. If Cheveldayoff was blame-free in this situation, as the NHL deemed, then you can't blame the players who were in an even lower rank, right?

Like I said before, I blame all the upper management; I support all the firings that have taken place; I would have even supported firing Chevy, but I understand the NHL's argument. But I think blaming the players themselves is a bridge too far because again, all they had was a locker room rumor.

I agree with you 100% but…..

If “everyone knew” there was an assault that occurred, if Sopel, Vincent,and Boynton went to the police and said the exact same thing, the police would look into it. Would they do anything? Who knows, but they would investigate.

I have an issue with the pitch dork swingers going after players who said they didn’t have a clue about any of this when the honest answer just might be the players didn’t have a clue about it.

Why is Toews getting raked over coals when the gods honest truth is the guy was 21 at the time? Because he was the captain? Where does it say it’s Toews responsibility to babysit Kyle Beach, who was a complete piece of human shit with a horrible reputation for being a shit bag on the ice?

The with baggage Beach had before any of this shit happened to him, I can see players staying away from him. Why is it wrong for players to be Leary of someone and keeping their distance? Where does it say just because you are drafted by a team you suddenly have to put things aside and become best friends with somebody?

Was it a different culture back then? Of course it was, but I’m not buying the snake oil that everyone knew about this. But let’s just say they did, wouldn’t the reporters have heard about it if it was so widespread?

 

[DaHawkz24]

Was it a different culture back then? Of course it was, but I’m not buying the snake oil that everyone knew about this. But let’s just say they did, wouldn’t the reporters have heard about it if it was so widespread?

We have no idea what the relationships were like in the locker room. The only guys who would have even known Beach more than his name or brief small talk in training camp would be if they played with him growing up or in the WHL.

There are only a couple of players from the 2010 team who were in the WHL at the same time as Kyle, and it looks like Beach only played 8 games that season of 2005/06. Most likely no history there.

I was told he still follows Toews on social media, and he seems to be friendly with Shaw (who wasnt with the team in 2010) and Shawn Lalonde who came to Rockford around the same time as Kyle.

Kyle's quotes about teammates making comments in front of other team staff/employees, and media need to be clarified.

That blanket statement just makes every single guy who played on teams from 2010 on seem like scum bags.

 

[KBIB]

We have no idea what the relationships were like in the locker room. The only guys who would have even known Beach more than his name or brief small talk in training camp would be if they played with him growing up or in the WHL.

There are only a couple of players from the 2010 team who were in the WHL at the same time as Kyle, and it looks like Beach only played 8 games that season of 2005/06. Most likely no history there.

I was told he still follows Toews on social media, and he seems to be friendly with Shaw (who wasnt with the team in 2010) and Shawn Lalonde who came to Rockford around the same time as Kyle.

Kyle's quotes about teammates making comments in front of other team staff/employees, and media need to be clarified.

That blanket statement just makes every single guy who played on teams from 2010 on seem like scum bags.

That is the problem.

Does anybody really think Kyle Beach gives too shits about Toews or Kane? You know, the two main cogs who brought the Hawks back to prominence who just might be telling the truth that they didn’t know anything about what happened to him? That both of their legacies are pretty much destroyed moving forward and two first ballot hall of gamers will probably have to wait a year now because of all this? One of whom will most certainly go down as the greatest US player of all time?

Nope, he doesn’t. He’s going to get a huge settlement from the Hawks with an NDA attached to it and you will never hear another word out of Beach’s mouth over any of this.

Beach made some social media tweet about how he’s now in the fight of his life with the Hawks, after Wirtz himself said he was willing to give him a settlement. That, right there, is a social media sympathy play. I see right thru this piece of shit and I’m shocked nobody else does but then again, I knew the guy was trash long before he was drafted.

But, this is still getting to me; if the talk was that rampant, I cannot stress how did the media not know about it? Why didn’t Beach anon somebody in the media to any of it? Did anybody in the media know about it and if they did why the silence?

Who were the beat writers? If they’re stating employees knew then surely the media knew

 

[HeHateMe]

Honest question here: do you even know who Sean Avery is? Without looking him up? If you think it's unsurprising that he hates Avery, is it because you don't?

I ❤ Sean Avery. He made hockey fun.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

I ❤ Sean Avery. He made hockey fun.

He sure did, was a good player too.

 

[Granada]

I ❤ Sean Avery. He made hockey fun.

Well congratulations then -- you're the first "fan" I've ever heard who likes Sean Avery, who wasn't already a fan of any of his teams. You may as well say you love Raffi Torres while you're at it . Or Martin Skreli. I honestly hope you're as clueless about his past as you are about this sport in general.

And you want to call others out on having horrible takes in this thread? Lol.

 

[Granada]

He sure did, was a good player too.

Sure -- if you like glorified 4th liners and stalkers who get restraining orders on them.

 

[HeHateMe]

Well congratulations then -- you're the first "fan" I've ever heard who likes Sean Avery, who wasn't already a fan of any of his teams. You may as well say you love Raffi Torres while you're at it . Or Martin Skreli. I honestly hope you're as clueless about his past as you are about this sport in general.

And you want to call others out on having horrible takes in this thread? Lol.

Weird conflating going on in your post.

Not sure what pharmabro has to do with anything or why you'd suggest I'm a fan.. strange af imo.

I'm not sorry if I'm not siding with the victim-blamers in this thread just because I enjoyed watching Avery be a pest on ice.

 

[MassHavoc]

Sure -- if you like glorified 4th liners and stalkers who get restraining orders on them.

You're going to get no where here. I would go back to the topic at hand.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

Sure -- if you like glorified 4th liners and stalkers who get restraining orders on them.

Did he steal your ***** or something?

 

[HeHateMe]

Did he steal your ***** or something?

I find it weird that he went all in on my posts to throw support behind the guy who thinks Beach had it coming, imagine caping for the victim blamer just because some guy on the internet appreciated Sean Avery's hilarious instigations on the ice.