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Excellent analysis. You bring up some very good points but the drop in power is a big concern. I wonder if he returns next year.

Minor correction and a comment.

I said league average on non-pitchers for k rate was 20.6%. I had only the cubs selected. It is actually 21.6%. So, if you exclude happ the cubs are ~2% below average. The only teams that would be better in the league than the 19.2% without Happ are the braves at 18.7% and the Indians at 18.8%.

As for the comment, i think it matters where the power loss is. I had more I was going to say but I'll summarize because it's not that important. Cubs traded HRs for doubles and triples more or less but I'm not sure that's entirely fair given they were missing one of their better HR hitters in Bryant for much of the season. The thing is we know the cubs have hitters with power. Schwarber could probably hit 40 HRs in his prime. However, I'd easily sacrifice 10 or so HR's to have him go from a .230-.240 type hitter to say .270. And obviously he's still got work to do to get there but i'm just talking generally here that I'm willing to sacrifice some power for average.

And more over, what's the longstanding gripe cubs fans have about the hitters, hitting with RISP. I'd like to say those numbers are dramatically better this year. They aren't. However, if you look at the type of hitter that does well in those situations on this roster and you see sitting at the top of the wRC+ list it's Jason Heyward with .333/.433/.455 and a 142 wRC+. Baez is #2 hitting .280/.340/.524 with a 118 wRC+. Zobrist is #3 at .315/.358/.438 with a 107 wRC+. Happ is #4 at .227/.424/.379 and 105. Rizzo is #5 at .298/.389/.427 with a 101 wRC+. Everyone else is under 100 wRC+ with RISP.

My takeaway there is that your three best bb/k rate guys in Heyward, Zobrist and Rizzo are there. Happ is really weird there in that he's sorta just walking his way to a decent wRC+ so I'm not sure he really counts. Baez as I mentioned hasn't really fit into the whole bb/k mold so I don't really have answers for why he's as great as he's been. I'd also point out that Almora is hitting .281/.340/.326 with RISP which is good just he has no power which wRC+ dings him for.

So, simply put I think it matters how you look at the game. the 2017 and prior cubs were a type of team that could just absolutely pound you if they got the HR. But when those HRs didn't come they would often stall out and that leads to a lot of frustrating games that were winnable. If they continue improving on their K rate and get a little bit of that power back they will be much better in scoring situations.

That's why I'm encouraged. Plus I mean you're going to have some of the younger guys add muscle as they go into their primes and some power will naturally come that way as well. But, I've said since like 2013 that I felt the way to build a team was via high contact hitters like Rizzo/Zobrist. That's the reason I never gave up on Heyward when most people had buried him.
 

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Hey beckdag, do have voice recognition software?
Not complaining, but damn all your posts are long.
You certainly don’t have ADD like the rest of us.

Well it's a combo of a couple of things. One I'm a computer programmer so basically I can type as fast as I think it. Two, I was a psychology minor in college and had to write a lot of well thought out papers. So, I tend to go overboard with my logic/evidence when I do stuff out of habit. And three I just genuinely enjoy this shit. Probably has something to do with the same reason I like computer programming. I enjoy the fundamentals of how shit works.

Believe me I try to turn off this aspect as much as possible and summarize where I can but it often doesn't help.
 

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Gotta hand it to Strop, he might be a better closer than setup guy...who woulda thunk?

He came in this year pretty jacked up.

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Also magic number drops to 16 with the win vs both STL and MIL since STL won.
 

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Up 3-0 bottom of 8th and it was necessary to bash the hitters?

Another chibears alt?


Are you serious with that response? His writing "style" is very easy to recognize. You must have been merely scoreboard watching tonight. Otherwise you wouldn't be asking this question. All night the hitters were swinging at balls and not swinging at pitches right down the fucking middle. The 8th inning (when I made that post) was especially bad. Also, if you watched you would know that the cubs pitching won this game. The team had 3 fucking hits. 2 of them came in the same inning. The top 4 hitter went 0-15. I tend to agree with most of what you post so I believe you better than this nonsense.
 

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Oh yeah. I am not complaining. (People are calling for Chili Davis to be fired!).

I just meant they seem to have HR ir bust reputation but not so.
 

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15 vs Cards. They have one more loss than Milw.

Gah **** I always read this playoffmagic site wrong. Last time they hadn't updated the nights games. Tonight I forgot to subtract 1 for the cubs win. You're right. One of these days I'll get it right.
 

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Not entirely sure this is the right topic for this but holy cow at the cubs A- team. If I'm not mistaken I believe they won the Northwest league title tonight. They were down 2-1 in the 9th, they loaded the bases, They then got a walk and a balk to win 3-2. They were 31-45 on the season which was the worst record in the 8 team league by 4 games but the minor league system of choosing playoff teams is kinda weird. I think the way it works is the best record in the first half plays the team with the best or second best record in the second half in their version of the NL/ALCS and then they have a finals between two teams from the two divisions.
 

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Gah **** I always read this playoffmagic site wrong. Last time they hadn't updated the nights games. Tonight I forgot to subtract 1 for the cubs win. You're right. One of these days I'll get it right.

You programmers analyze. Let us accountants do the math. :)
 

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London bridge is burning


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Let's see if the Cubs win the game today. If so, they've done what I asked in the OP for this series.
 

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Best thing I heard yesterday was Captain Anthony Rizzo stating that this feels different now. Its not just another game, they need to continue to be the chased not the chasers.

Sad it took the lead getting to 1 lousy game to light the competitive juices, but at least it finally happened.
 

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London bridge is burning


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Well technically this is not wrong:


“The buildings on London Bridge were a major fire hazard and increased the load on its arches, several of which had to be rebuilt over the centuries. In 1212, perhaps the greatest of the early fires of London broke out on both ends of the bridge simultaneously, trapping many people in the middle.”

That bridge was moved to Lake Havasu AZI. I walked it last spring break.
 

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Best thing I heard yesterday was Captain Anthony Rizzo stating that this feels different now. Its not just another game, they need to continue to be the chased not the chasers.

Sad it took the lead getting to 1 lousy game to light the competitive juices, but at least it finally happened.

Like I said. To fix the problem they needed to punch them in the face. Q pretty much did that and Kyle needs to punch them again.
 

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I feel better now.

Will feel even better with a W tonight.
 

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