Bulls 2022 Offseason Discussion Thread (FREE AGENCY)

[Axl Rose]

Your hopes and dreams, squashed.

RIP Bulls

 

[SilenceS]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1521151173750931457

 

[clonetrooper264]

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Well Jazz need to get rid of one or both of them either way so

 

[knoxville7]

Well Jazz need to get rid of one or both of them either way so

Gobert as a bull would be great. Gobert for Vuc as a starting point?

Then again, BD may have Gobert hang out at the 3 point line all game ?

 

[Enasic]

I was all in on Gobert but not so much anymore. He’s making 35+ mil a year and has absolutely zero offensive game. Spacing would be terrible. I think bulls are stuck with Vuc and will just have to sign a better backup. Maybe Drummond or Montrezl Harrell?

 

[clonetrooper264]

Gobert as a bull would be great. Gobert for Vuc as a starting point?

Then again, BD may have Gobert hang out at the 3 point line all game ?

It has to be Vuc + someone since Gobert's contract is bigger. I know you'd love to say Vuc and Coby (technically that does work) but I doubt it's that simple

 

[Axl Rose]

Rudy helps but doesn't get us a championship and that contract will cripple the team for years.

Right now we're still sitting pretty 2 years from now with still-in-their-primes LaVine and Zo (assuming Zach re-signs) with Williams possibly being someone we could flip in a S&T if need be.

 

[knoxville7]

It has to be Vuc + someone since Gobert's contract is bigger. I know you'd love to say Vuc and Coby (technically that does work) but I doubt it's that simple

That’s why I said for a starting point

 

[knoxville7]

I was all in on Gobert but not so much anymore. He’s making 35+ mil a year and has absolutely zero offensive game. Spacing would be terrible. I think bulls are stuck with Vuc and will just have to sign a better backup. Maybe Drummond or Montrezl Harrell?

His offensive game is catching lobs and dunking on people. Something we don’t really have currently.

Spacing wise, sure keep Vuc to keep things spaced so he can keep shooting 3’s that he can’t make? lol

The defense would actually get improved, too. And that seemed more of an issue IMO

 

[Enasic]

Rudy helps but doesn't get us a championship and that contract will cripple the team for years.

Right now we're still sitting pretty 2 years from now with still-in-their-primes LaVine and Zo (assuming Zach re-signs) with Williams possibly being someone we could flip in a S&T if need be.

Yeah that Gobert contract is brutal for a completely one dimensional player.

You’re also assuming Zo will be healthy and in his prime in 2 years. There’s a lot of cause for concern with that knee. Last I heard he was going to visit a specialist and he may need another surgery. Still experiencing pain in the knee

 

[Enasic]

His offensive game is catching lobs and dunking on people. Something we don’t really have currently.

Spacing wise, sure keep Vuc to keep things spaced so he can keep shooting 3’s that he can’t make? lol

The defense would actually get improved, too. And that seemed more of an issue IMO

Catching lobs is great, but he has no other offensive game at all and will be getting paid over 40 mil in a couple years. Teams could completely ignore him offensively. Vuc needs to stop jacking up so many 3s, but you still have to guard him especially in the mid range and the post which also helps spacing. I blame a lot of Vucs struggles on BD as he obviously had the green light to keep shooting and there wasn’t nearly enough post play or playing to his strength. Like who on earth wanted Vuc to take 5+ 3s a game this year? Why was he allowed to do this?

 

[knoxville7]

Catching lobs is great, but he has no other offensive game at all and will be getting paid over 40 mil in a couple years. Teams could completely ignore him offensively. Vuc needs to stop jacking up so many 3s, but you still have to guard him especially in the mid range and the post which also helps spacing. I blame a lot of Vucs struggles on BD as he obviously had the green light to keep shooting and there wasn’t nearly enough post play or playing to his strength. Like who on earth wanted Vuc to take 5+ 3s a game this year? Why was he allowed to do this?

I disagree on the Gobert offensive game. They can’t completely ignore him offensively due to the fact he hangs around the basket and is over 7 feet tall…you have to guard him or you’re giving up an easy dunk

Also, weren’t the jazz the top rated offensive efficiency team this season? Gobert didn’t hurt that much obviously

And agreed on Vuc, but unless you think BD is going somewhere soon, there’s no point in continuing the BD and Vuc relationship. One needs to go, and I don’t see it being BD. Gobert would at least force BD to give up the whole center out at the 3 point line thing lol

 

[Enasic]

I disagree on the Gobert offensive game. They can’t completely ignore him offensively due to the fact he hangs around the basket and is over 7 feet tall…you have to guard him or you’re giving up an easy dunk

Also, weren’t the jazz the top rated offensive efficiency team this season? Gobert didn’t hurt that much obviously

And agreed on Vuc, but unless you think BD is going somewhere soon, there’s no point in continuing the BD and Vuc relationship. One needs to go, and I don’t see it being BD. Gobert would at least force BD to give up the whole center out at the 3 point line thing lol

I probably want Vuc gone as much as anyone and was a huge advocate for Gobert so maybe I could be talked into it. You’re right in the fact that BD would be forced to give up having your only big camp out at the 3 point line, which would be huge.

Concerns for me would be Goberts contract. Assuming LaVine gets the max, the bulls would have two guys maxed out and neither one of them would be the best player on a championship team. You’d really be making it difficult to obtain the star player needed to win a championship. Lastly, offense and spacing. If Lonzo misses time or isn’t the same, bulls would only have 1 reliable 3 pt shooter in the starting lineup in LaVine. Williams is a bit streaky and low volume guy.

To me, you add Gobert and the bulls still aren’t winning a championship and would be much less flexible cap wise over the next few years. Why get hamstrung? I’d look to go after Andre Drummond who would be MUCH cheaper and is a similar player to Gobert. Granted, Gobert is better overall, but Drummond is big, great rebounder, and can block shots….he does a lot of what Gobert does but not as good defensively. However, he does compliment Vuc well off the bench and gives the bulls another big body at a fraction of the price

 

[clonetrooper264]

Finding a decent two way center is a very trying thing these days. If we are willing to forget about offensive ability at the center position then we can certainly look into options like Drummond, Nerlens Noel, Mitchell Robinson, or similar.

 

[Enasic]

Finding a decent two way center is a very trying thing these days. If we are willing to forget about offensive ability at the center position then we can certainly look into options like Drummond, Nerlens Noel, Mitchell Robinson, or similar.

I like montrezl harrwll as well even though he’s only 6’9. Plays with a lot of energy and toughness

 

[clonetrooper264]

I like montrezl harrwll as well even though he’s only 6’9. Plays with a lot of energy and toughness

Yeah I didn't mention him because he's the other end of the spectrum (offense vs defense), but in terms of energy guy, he fits the bill.

 

[knoxville7]

I probably want Vuc gone as much as anyone and was a huge advocate for Gobert so maybe I could be talked into it. You’re right in the fact that BD would be forced to give up having your only big camp out at the 3 point line, which would be huge.

Concerns for me would be Goberts contract. Assuming LaVine gets the max, the bulls would have two guys maxed out and neither one of them would be the best player on a championship team. You’d really be making it difficult to obtain the star player needed to win a championship. Lastly, offense and spacing. If Lonzo misses time or isn’t the same, bulls would only have 1 reliable 3 pt shooter in the starting lineup in LaVine. Williams is a bit streaky and low volume guy.

To me, you add Gobert and the bulls still aren’t winning a championship and would be much less flexible cap wise over the next few years. Why get hamstrung? I’d look to go after Andre Drummond who would be MUCH cheaper and is a similar player to Gobert. Granted, Gobert is better overall, but Drummond is big, great rebounder, and can block shots….he does a lot of what Gobert does but not as good defensively. However, he does compliment Vuc well off the bench and gives the bulls another big body at a fraction of the price

The 3 point shooting minus lonzo still leaves you with Zach as the only reliable 3 point shooter even with Vuc. So not really a difference there

contract wise, sure you’re tapped out. That said, if a star player becomes available that you think is the #1 guy on a championship caliber team…that’s what sign and trades are for. Bulls could trade everything not named ZL or Gobert in that scenario to acquire whomstever that #1 guy is.

im not going to get to into the whole, are they championship contenders after such a move or not, because that’s 100% speculation with not all the info to make that determination. What I will ask and answer is…would the bulls be better off with Gobert instead of Vuc as the starting center? Absolutely

i do think we would agree that PWill is still the X factor for the bulls. What he becomes or doesn’t become will determine a lot of the bulls trajectory

 

[Nelly]

Catching lobs is great, but he has no other offensive game at all and will be getting paid over 40 mil in a couple years. Teams could completely ignore him offensively. Vuc needs to stop jacking up so many 3s, but you still have to guard him especially in the mid range and the post which also helps spacing. I blame a lot of Vucs struggles on BD as he obviously had the green light to keep shooting and there wasn’t nearly enough post play or playing to his strength. Like who on earth wanted Vuc to take 5+ 3s a game this year? Why was he allowed to do this?

Is it safe to say that Vuc has entered Kevin Love territory as a guy who can stuff the stat sheet on a bad team but becomes thoroughly average on a good one?

 

[Axl Rose]

Gobert is undoubtedly a poor fit offensively.

Jazz were 2nd in 3 point attempts whereas the Bulls were 30th. We have an offense centered around mid-range shots.

 

[Enasic]

Is it safe to say that Vuc has entered Kevin Love territory as a guy who can stuff the stat sheet on a bad team but becomes thoroughly average on a good one?

I’d say so. He’s always been a poor and low effort defender so no change there, but yeah he’s pretty average. That said, BD did him no favors with how he was used. For whatever reason, he just didn’t want to commit to playing in the post and inside out even though Vuc shot an ABYSMAL 31% from distance. Very good post player, struggled mightily from 3 and BD just never adjusted.