Bulls.com Joakim Noah Injury Update

[clonetrooper264]

true enough, although right before his first shoulder injury this season he was starting to get some of those left handed drives and put backs to go again. then the injury occurred

Yeah...it was a shame. If Noah has any semblance of offensive ability it changes a lot of things while he's on the court. But most of the time what we got was just sad.

 

[knoxville7]

Yeah...it was a shame. If Noah has any semblance of offensive ability it changes a lot of things while he's on the court. But most of the time what we got was just sad.

agree to disagree then. youre sad because his shot is gone and he cant finish around the rim as much as he did a couple years ago. but if you think back about 4 or 5 years when he started making those shots, what was your reaction? if I had to guess it was one of pleasant surprise? that's because you never expected noah to hit shots, it was an added bonus. what made noah great had nothing to do with his shooting ability. the real issue is he had his near MVP year when he was hitting all sorts of outside shots and what not, so people came to expect it from him. he is a victim of his own success

 

[clonetrooper264]

agree to disagree then. youre sad because his shot is gone and he cant finish around the rim as much as he did a couple years ago. but if you think back about 4 or 5 years when he started making those shots, what was your reaction? if I had to guess it was one of pleasant surprise? that's because you never expected noah to hit shots, it was an added bonus. what made noah great had nothing to do with his shooting ability. the real issue is he had his near MVP year when he was hitting all sorts of outside shots and what not, so people came to expect it from him. he is a victim of his own success

I mean it's not like I'm expecting him to be draining 17 foot jumpers and making every shot around the rim. When he was doing all that and carrying the team offensively it was amazing precisely because that's not what you'd expect out of him. However, I do expect him to hit a shot or two around the rim and not blow layups. Things he was able to do before that crazy season he had. Nothing crazy, just make a few shots around the rim. That's what I expect. Everything else is gravy.

 

[knoxville7]

I mean it's not like I'm expecting him to be draining 17 foot jumpers and making every shot around the rim. When he was doing all that and carrying the team offensively it was amazing precisely because that's not what you'd expect out of him. However, I do expect him to hit a shot or two around the rim and not blow layups. Things he was able to do before that crazy season he had. Nothing crazy, just make a few shots around the rim. That's what I expect. Everything else is gravy.

fair enough, but he was starting to do that again before this shoulder injury stuff happened. if you look at the week or two leading into the injury, he seemed back and was hitting those shots again. it just took time after the knee issue the previous year for him to find his balance and what not again.

the good thing for you and everyone else on here is the noah talk will die down now lol

 

[Axl Rose]

I'd like to see the Bulls move on from Taj, Kirk and Rose as well. We cannot win with these guys--time to move on.

agreed. whatever your opinion on how valuable Noah is or isn't i think we can all agree that this team isn't a immediate contender...so what's the point of keeping Noah? even at a low cost?

just move on from this core already...if this team was milk they'd be chunky...way past their due date

i guess over a decade of being conservative and scared to make shake up moves has rubbed off on the fanbase and now guys are scared to give up rotational players that are on the back end of their careers

 

[knoxville7]

agreed. whatever your opinion on how valuable Noah is or isn't i think we can all agree that this team isn't a immediate contender so what's the point of keeping Noah? even at a low cost?

just move on from this core already...if this team was milk they'd be chunky...way past their due date

well it just depends on the front offices plans. if they want to do a complete tear down and rebuild and be awful a couple years then yes there is no point in keeping noah. but I don't think that is at all on their radar. they cant get rid of rose for another year after this one. so they plan to try and compete again next year due to the inability to rebuild. they are already going to lose Pau this offseason, so that is one more C gone from the roster. you want portis to start at C im sure, so lets say they do that. who is going to back him up? noah at a reasonable price tag makes a lot of sense then at that point.

 

[clonetrooper264]

fair enough, but he was starting to do that again before this shoulder injury stuff happened. if you look at the week or two leading into the injury, he seemed back and was hitting those shots again. it just took time after the knee issue the previous year for him to find his balance and what not again.

the good thing for you and everyone else on here is the noah talk will die down now lol

Yeah he was looking good before the injury. He was getting back to what I wanted out of him. Not like 21 points against the Knicks, but he was starting to find that groove on offense and make the shots he was making before. That Noah is a great asset, even with the limited offense.

 

[ChiSoxCity]

please, do tell how his shoulder injury impacts his legs? his legs are fine now, he was running very very well up and down the court and was starting to show his burst again

You watch basketball much? Apparently not.

Noah never had much offense to begin with, and he never will. He's terrible because he doesn't move well anymore. He gets absolutely owned in the paint by anyone with a few offensive moves down low. Watch his tape against decent front lines in the NBA. It's ugly. That's why he's sitting his ass on the bench lately. His shoulder injury was a timely blessing, and the Bulls won't miss a beat without him. Great Bull! Nothing but love and respect for the guy, but it's over. His tremendous character and work ethic makes him a prime candidate for an assistant coaching gig or mid-level management.

 

[knoxville7]

You watch basketball much? Apparently not.

Noah never had much offense to begin with, and he never will. He's terrible because he doesn't move well anymore. He gets absolutely owned in the paint by anyone with a few offensive moves down low. Watch his tape against decent front lines in the NBA. It's ugly. That's why he's sitting his ass on the bench lately. His shoulder injury was a timely blessing, and the Bulls won't miss a beat without him. Great Bull! Nothing but love and respect for the guy, but it's over. His tremendous character and work ethic makes him a prime candidate for an assistant coaching gig or mid-level management.

you are clearly the one not watching basketball if you think movement was a problem for noah. the guy is one of the quickest centers in the league and gets up and down the court in a blur. he grabs rebounds and runs the ball up the court faster than our PG derrick rose. but as per usual someone on here cant just have a discussion without the personal attacks.....shame shame

 

[ChiSoxCity]

you are clearly the one not watching basketball if you think movement was a problem for noah. the guy is one of the quickest centers in the league and gets up and down the court in a blur. he grabs rebounds and runs the ball up the court faster than our PG derrick rose. but as per usual someone on here cant just have a discussion without the personal attacks.....shame shame

I'm not talking about running up and down the court in transition.

Pay closer attention to each possession, not just the highlights. He still gets rebounds but if you look at the stat sheets of opposing players that he guards, Noah gets worked over badly against skilled big men. He has no lateral mobility or quickness, and he has no vertical leaping ability to speak of. He's basically Gasol without the offensive skill.

 

[knoxville7]

I'm not talking about running up and down the court in transition.

Pay closer attention to each possession, not just the highlights. He still gets rebounds but if you look at the stat sheets of opposing players that he guards, Noah gets worked over badly against skilled big men. He has no lateral mobility or quickness, and he has no vertical leaping ability to speak of. He's basically Gasol without the offensive skill.

well theres a reason they are referred to as skilled big men, they put moves on a lot of people...not just noah. and yet, Jo's defensive rating for THIS season was a 97 per 100 possessions. to put that in perspective, the year he was 4th for MVP voting he had a 96 per 100 possessions and that led the league. so yeah....I guess his game had realllllly slipped

:gtfo:

 

[Axl Rose]

defensive rating means **** all....Boozer had a 95 defensive rating.

theres not really a accurate defensive metric out there that i know of

 

[knoxville7]

defensive rating means **** all....Boozer had a 95 defensive rating.

theres not really a accurate defensive metric out there that i know of

yeah because he played next to a guy named Noah who cleaned everything up for him

 

[Axl Rose]

yeah because he played next to a guy named Noah who cleaned everything up for him

i don't think really anybody has an issue with Noah on that side though. you know good and well its about offense and you can defend it till you're blue in the face but its not gonna change anything.

the thing is folks had their issues with Noah's offense back aswell but atleast the little he did provide was done so efficiently now its inexcusable

 

[knoxville7]

i don't think really anybody has an issue with Noah on that side though. you know good and well its about offense and you can defend it till you're blue in the face but its not gonna change anything.

the thing is folks had their issues with Noah's offense back aswell but atleast the little he did provide was done so efficiently

blah blah blah....he seemed to have an issue with noahs defense so I mentioned how his defense was very good this year.

as far as the rest of his game, ive shown how its no different than before other than his shooting % is down. if you look at his numbers he was rebounding and assisting at higher rates this season than ever before actually. his steals and blocks were right there with career averages. turnovers up slightly but you can take that when the assists are higher than ever as well.

 

[Axl Rose]

blah blah blah....he seemed to have an issue with noahs defense so I mentioned how his defense was very good this year.

as far as the rest of his game, ive shown how its no different than before other than his shooting % is down. if you look at his numbers he was rebounding and assisting at higher rates this season than ever before actually. his steals and blocks were right there with career averages. turnovers up slightly but you can take that when the assists are higher than ever as well.

hes not wrong about getting worked over by skilled bigs as Noah as always had trouble with guys that can post up.

Noah's defensive greatness came from help defensive. he could rotate over and defend the pick n roll but i don't think hes ever been a truly great man to man defender.

nobody cares about Noah's forced assist and per 36 doesn't corroborate your claim (nor eye test) that his offesne is the same just lower shooting percentage. per 36 hes scoring a career low 7 points with one less FG attempt

even if it was, his shooting percentage is not just a small drop its a pretty a drastic one. 10 points on 50% vs 10 points on 40% is a big difference

 

[knoxville7]

hes not wrong about getting worked over by skilled bigs as Noah as always had trouble with guys that can post up.

Noah's defensive greatness came from help defensive. he could rotate over and defend the pick n roll but i don't think hes ever been a truly great man to man defender.

nobody cares about Noah's forced assist and per 36 doesn't corroborate your claim (nor eye test) that his offesne is the same just lower shooting percentage. per 36 hes scoring a career low 7 points with one less FG attempt

even if it was his shooting percentage is not just a small drop its a pretty a drastic one. 10 points on 50% vs 10 points on 40% is a big difference

so literally the only knock on his offensive game that you just listed was his shooting %, just like I said. everything else about his game was as good or better than his MVP season outside of his shooting %. not sure what else needs to be said here. and its not just by looking at his per 36, its literally any and every way you could want to try and break it down.....but sure lets ignore the numbers

 

[Axl Rose]

so literally the only knock on his offensive game that you just listed was his shooting %, just like I said. everything else about his game was as good or better than his MVP season outside of his shooting %. not sure what else needs to be said here. and its not just by looking at his per 36, its literally any and every way you could want to try and break it down.....but sure lets ignore the numbers

shooting percentage speaks to his overall lack of offensive game but if you wish i will go over the actual percentages on shot types like 41% on layups and 14% on jumpshots even his free throw percentage is below 50%.

i mean you either covert your shots or you don't...theres not much to break down. it simple Noah is not converting and its not like you can say hes still commanding defensive attention because that would be a lie

its you thats putting too much weight on his assist instead of his inability to finish around the hoop. not me doing it the other way around...again nobody cares about those forced assist. Noah handling the ball is just what teams want.

also lets stop calling it his MVP season as he didn't win a MVP nor was he ever seriously in contention to win it. he had a good season and deserved recognition for his play but being able to hit a layup at the time played a part in it

 

[Benchmob757]

I, for one, have always thought Noah's offense to be terrible. Even in his best year. The guy just doesn't seem to have finesse, you can tell by the way some of his baby hooks and layups bang off the backboard. He's more of a cleanup guy on offense for me personally and I think the lack of his ability to offensively impact the game has hurt the team quite a few times. Not atypical for guys who are tenacious defenders, but nonetheless it's an observation


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[Gustavus Adolphus]

well theres a reason they are referred to as skilled big men, they put moves on a lot of people...not just noah. and yet, Jo's defensive rating for THIS season was a 97 per 100 possessions. to put that in perspective, the year he was 4th for MVP voting he had a 96 per 100 possessions and that led the league. so yeah....I guess his game had realllllly slipped

:gtfo:

And that year he was 4th in MVP voting was the same year he got dong slapped by Marcin Gortat and Nene.