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In 2007, the Bulls legitimately destroyed the Heat. Would they have still won that series even if Wade and Shaq were at 100%? I don't know, but it is very possible. But are the Bulls and Heat big rivals as of right now? Not really. I definitely think it's going to happen though.

I would find it highly dubious to say we "legitimately" destroyed the Heat when their top two players were hurt.

It's pretty close to the idiot Bulls fans getting wet in the pants over taking the Celtics to 7 games while ignoring the fact that Garnett didn't even play.
 

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It's pretty close to the idiot Bulls fans getting wet in the pants over taking the Celtics to 7 games while ignoring the fact that Garnett didn't even play.

Taking the Celtics to 7 games was impressive given the roster we had. Even without Garnett, the Celtics were still a much better team than the Bulls.

While Garnett was missing, the Celtics still had two stars in Pierce and Allen with a team that won a championship the previous season. When you compare that to our mostly inexperienced roster, a coach with no previous coaching experience, and expectations...the Bulls did something big. Most experts and fans were saying it would be an easy series for the Celtics regardless of the KG injury. Did you forget Deng was missing for the Bulls too? It's not like we were 100% either.

Not saying it's some big achievement to lose in 7 games against a wounded champion, but it definitely let us know for a fact that there is something really special about Derrick Rose and Noah. If you didn't get "wet in the pants" about that series, then those are your own issues as a fan.
 

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Taking the Celtics to 7 games was impressive given the roster we had. Even without Garnett, the Celtics were still a much better team than the Bulls.
Much better? Meh? The Celtics limped into those playoffs and with the Celtics missing their leader and having to go with Glenn Davis(who raped us all series) sure the celtics were "better" but I wouldn't say "much" better. They were missing their best player.

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the Bulls did something big.
The Bulls lost a 1st round playoff series. That's not "big".

Did you forget Deng was missing for the Bulls too? It's not like we were 100% either.
Lulz Deng?

That team got BETTER after Deng went down. Gordon was at the two and Salmons played amazingly well at the 3.

If you didn't get "wet in the pants" about that series, then those are your own issues as a fan.

Yeah God forbid I saw that series for what it was...a beat up vet team missing their best player got taken to 7 games by a young team who was playing some good basketball. In the end it did nothing for the Bulls as it didn't carry over to the next season and the Celtic(w/ a healthy Garnett) just went back to the NBA Finals. That series meant/means next to nothing.
 
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Much better? Meh? The Celtics limped into those playoffs and with the Celtics missing their leader and having to go with Glenn Davis(who raped us all series) sure the celtics were "better" but I wouldn't say "much" better. They were missing their best player.

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The Bulls lost a 1st round playoff series. That's not "big".


Lulz Deng?

That team got BETTER after Deng went down. Gordon was at the two and Salmons player amazingly well at the 3.


This.

Believe it or not, that team was WAY better without Deng. Salmons played his ass off at his natural position (the 3). You saw how bad he played this season at the 2, because Deng was back at the 3.
 

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Much better? Meh? The Celtics limped into those playoffs and with the Celtics missing their leader and having to go with Glenn Davis(who raped us all series) sure the celtics were "better" but I wouldn't say "much" better. They were missing their best player.

Lulz Deng?

That team got BETTER after Deng went down. Gordon was at the two and Salmons player amazingly well at the 3.

They were much better than us, regardless of how hard you try to spin it. That Celtics team was more than one player. They lost one of their three all-star players only to have Rondo break out. Poor Celtics. You underestimate experience, star play-makers, and leadership. Things the Bulls didn't have at all.

Let me guess, having a coach that had no experience coaching in any level of the game was a non-factor too?

You're acting like the Bulls were the favorites in that series and failed. There was a reason the Celtics were heavily favored even without Garnett.

Deng is one of the Bulls best players when he's healthy. So yes, Lulz Deng was missed. Any subtraction from a team that barely made it to .500 is huge in the play-offs. Those trades at the dead-line was the reason the Bulls were better without Deng. Adding Brad Miller and Salmons was huge for this team and Deng wasn't apart of the second half run, sure. But to deny the Bulls would've been a better team with a healthy Luol Deng in the play-offs would be ridiculous. Deng brings a lot to the table offensively and defensively.

We were missing a key player on a roster that was filled with one rookie sensation and role players. Zero all-stars. Yet it was nothing to you as a fan that the Bulls were part of such an exciting series?

The Bulls lost a 1st round playoff series. That's not "big".

Read what I said just before saying that. Considering the expectations for that Bulls team, it was big. Which is why a lot of Bulls fans hold that series in high regard. It wasn't about accomplishing anything, it was about our young guys stepping up and showing some heart.

Yeah God forbid I saw that series for what it was...a beat up vet team missing their best player got taken to 7 games by a young team who was playing some good basketball. In the end it did nothing for the Bulls as it didn't carry over to the next season and the Celtic(w/ a healthy Garnett) just went back to the NBA Finals. That series meant/means next to nothing.

Okay, play-off experience for your rookie point guard and starting center is nothing...right. It really did carry into the '09-'10. The Bulls were better than they were in that Celtics series last season until being stricken by injures. The Bulls weren't built to make it out of the first round, especially against a team that has been to the big dance and won it.

See the series however you want. It was a great first round series. I was proud of the Bulls with the fight they showed. It's one that everyone that watched will remember.
 
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This.

Believe it or not, that team was WAY better without Deng. Salmons played his ass off at his natural position (the 3). You saw how bad he played this season at the 2, because Deng was back at the 3.

Salmons is not a better 3 than Deng. All he does is score well. He doesn't provide much on the boards. Besides, Deng is a better defender and provides more size at small forward.

Salmons couldn't find his shot from the start of the season until we traded him. His struggles are on him, not Luol Deng.
 

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Salmons is not a better 3 than Deng. All he does is score well. He doesn't provide much on the boards. Besides, Deng is a better defender and provides more size at small forward.

Salmons couldn't find his shot from the start of the season until we traded him. His struggles are on him, not Luol Deng.

Because he was playing the 2. IMO, Salmons has played much better at the 3 than Deng has the last two seasons. We saw what Salmons can do in the playoffs at the 3 against the Celtics.
 

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They were much better than us, regardless of how hard you try to spin it.
LOL at me "spinning" anything. I wasn't aware that it was "spin" to point out that the Celtics were missing their best player.





Let me guess, having a coach that had no experience coaching in any level of the game was a non-factor too?
Yeah and Doc Rovers proved himself to be an excellent coach before he got 2 more HOF players...



You're acting like the Bulls were the favorites in that series and failed.
Umm no I'm not. I never said anything other than Bulls fans got wet in the pants over getting beat in 7 games in the 1st round by a team that was missing it's best player and that wasn't playing up to par. It's not like the Celtics went on and did anything that season. They lost in the very next round.

Deng is one of the Bulls best players when he's healthy
Excellent. Deng is "one of the best players" on a 1st round exit playoff team. Rose, Gordon, Salmons, and Noah were all better down the stretch than Deng ever was that season..healthy or not.

Lulz Deng was missed. Any subtraction from a team that barely made it to .500 is huge in the play-offs. Those trades at the dead-line was the reason the Bulls were better without Deng. Adding Brad Miller and Salmons was huge for this team and Deng wasn't apart of the second half run, sure. But to deny the Bulls would've been a better team with a healthy Luol Deng in the play-offs would be ridiculous. Deng brings a lot to the table offensively and defensively.
No he doesn't. Deng is overrated as **** by 90% of you meathead fans. He's a spot up jumpshooter with no 3pt range. He's not athletic, not that great of a defender and his claim to fame this past season in the playoffs was getting dry humped by James up and down the floor to a near triple double over the course of the series.

Luol Deng being healthy for that playoff run would have made that Bulls team worse because you would have been taking away minutes from a guy(Salmons) that was playing out of his mind.

Yet it was nothing to you as a fan that the Bulls were part of such an exciting series?
It was an exciting series. I never denied that. But in the grand scheme of things it mean jack shit.



Read what I said just before saying that. Considering the expectations for that Bulls team, it was big. Which is why a lot of Bulls fans hold that series in high regard. It wasn't about accomplishing anything, it was about our young guys stepping up and showing some heart.
Blah blah blah. Again, that series didn't carry over to the next season. The Bulls were essentially the same team, had the same ultimate playoff result and thus that series was nothing more than something Comcast could use to hype up the upcoming season. Exciting series that meant squat.



Okay, play-off experience for your rookie point guard and starting center is nothing...right.
Playoff experience? All that playoff experience Kirk got years before didn't do shit for Hinrich that season. That playoff experience did nothing for the Bulls during the course of this season and in the last playoffs.
It really did carry into the '09-'10.
It absolutley did not. The team didn't perform any better than they did the last season and was out in the 1st round again. The only thing that matter in the playoffs is how damn good your team is. Not if you've been there before.





Salmons is not a better 3 than Deng.
He was that season.

All he does is score well. He doesn't provide much on the boards. Besides, Deng is a better defender and provides more size at small forward.
Salmons D on Pierce>>>>Deng's defense on most anyone.
 

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I remember this one time the #8Warriors beat the # 1Mavs in the first round then used this playoff experience to spring board themselves into missing the playoffs the next season
 

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Because he was playing the 2. IMO, Salmons has played much better at the 3 than Deng has the last two seasons. We saw what Salmons can do in the playoffs at the 3 against the Celtics.

Salmons was playing the two for the Bucks just fine after the trade. He is better suited for a shooting guard considering his size and lack of rebounding.
 

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I also recall this time in 1995 where the playoff experience Magic squad beat a Bulls team with Pippen, Jordan etc where nearly half the roster had won 3 straight NBA titles and had made it to the Eastern Conference Semi's the year before.. Thank God Penny, Shaq, Nic Anderson and Dennis Scott had all that playoff experience from the previous season when they lost in the 1st round!
 
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Thank God the Celtics Big 3 of Garnett, Allen, and Pierce had all that playoff experience from Minnesota, Milwaukee, and Seattle, as well as Boston before they won the Finals! I mean ignore the fact that before they all came together none of them had seen the playoffs in at least 3 years with their former/current team but that experience from 3-4 seasons before sure came in handy!
 

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Yeah and Doc Rovers proved himself to be an excellent coach before he got 2 more HOF players...

Doc managed games much better than Vinny. He was a coach with way more experience as opposed to our newbie coach. Big factor.

Umm no I'm not. I never said anything other than Bulls fans got wet in the pants over getting beat in 7 games in the 1st round by a team that was missing it's best player and that wasn't playing up to par. It's not like the Celtics went on and did anything that season. They lost in the very next round.

And I told you why Bulls fans "got wet in the pants". "wet in the pants" implies excited...any true fan was excited about our future after that series.

Excellent. Deng is "one of the best players" on a 1st round exit playoff team. Rose, Gordon, Salmons, and Noah were all better down the stretch than Deng ever was that season..healthy or not.

Deng wasn't 100% that entire season.

No he doesn't. Deng is overrated as **** by 90% of you meathead fans. He's a spot up jumpshooter with no 3pt range. He's not athletic, not that great of a defender and his claim to fame this past season in the playoffs was getting dry humped by James up and down the floor to a near triple double over the course of the series.
"Meathead fans" like me don't overrate Deng, we just don't underrate him to all of the haters liking. Deng is a very versatile player that has a wet jumper. He's an asset to the team when he's healthy and has shown that. I'm not Luol Deng slurping here, I'm just saying that his presence was missed. We could've used him.

Who doesn't get owned by Lebron? It takes excellent team defense to contain him, not any single player.


Luol Deng being healthy for that playoff run would have made that Bulls team worse because you would have been taking away minutes from a guy(Salmons) that was playing out of his mind.
You're entitled to your opinion. So I can't call you wrong, just agree to disagree on whether the Bulls would've been better or worse with Deng on the floor after acquiring Salmons

But, Salmons wasn't playing out of his mind. I don't know what the hell you were watching. Salmons was solid when we got him, but that's about it. In the play-offs he wasn't even that good on his 40% shooting on 17ppg/3 rebounds. If that's "playing" out of your mind production then Deng was playing way out of his mind this past season. :rolling:

Playoff experience? All that playoff experience Kirk got years before didn't do shit for Hinrich that season. That playoff experience did nothing for the Bulls during the course of this season and in the last playoffs.

It absolutley did not. The team didn't perform any better than they did the last season and was out in the 1st round again. The only thing that matter in the playoffs is how damn good your team is. Not if you've been there before.

Play-off experience does a lot for young players. It shows what they're capable of and builds confidence in high pressure situations. The Bulls didn't outperform the previous season because all of our key players were injured in the second half. The Bulls were a better team last season due to Rose and Noahs improvement. The play-offs were a different story this time considering we played the #1 seed and one of the top 3 players in the league.
 
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Chicago Bulls 2009-2010 season will always be remembered as the season where a gritty playoff experienced team used a 1st round 7 game playoff exit the previous season to spring board themselves to the same record, a worse seed in the conference and a 5 game 1st round series loss.

NEVER FORGET!!!!
 

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Chicago Bulls 2009-2010 season will always be remembered as the season where a gritty playoff experienced team used a 1st round 7 game playoff exit the previous season to spring board themselves to the same record, a worse seed in the conference and a 5 game 1st round series loss.

NEVER FORGET!!!!

You're right. Never forget Derrick Rose's first play-off series.
 

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Doc managed games much better than Vinny. He was a coach with way more experience as opposed to our newbie coach. Big factor.
Or Doc just happened to be coaching the better team.

I'm pretty confident if you give Vinny Del Negro the Celtics roster they win that series anyways.





And I told you why Bulls fans "got wet in the pants". Any true fan was excited about our future after that.
No, I was excited about the future because I was hoping the talent would develop. Not because the Bulls lost a 1st round playoff series in 7 games.




Deng wasn't 100% that entire season.
Ok. So Salmons>>>Deng at the 3 that season. Which was the entire point. Thanks for finally getting it.




"Meathead fans" like me don't overrate Deng, we just don't underrate him to all of the haters liking.
Yeah I'm a "hater" for pointing out Deng's great defensive work allowed LBJ to go for a near triple double.

Stupid stats. Always hatin'


Deng is a very versatile player that has a wet jumper.
Deng's an underathletic SF who has a very nice mid range jumper, but isn't good off the dribble, is a decent defender, can't shoot the 3.


I'm just saying that his presense was missed. We could've used him.
yeah we coul dhave really used the less than 100% Luol Deng to take minutes away from Salmons who was playing out of his mind. I know when Salmons was was holding Pierce to less than 40% shooting in games and was hitting big shots I just kept thinking "Man! I wish Luol Deng was there!"

Who doesn't get owned by Lebron? It takes excellent team defense to contain him, not any single player.
Then who exactly does Deng shut down?..ever....





But, Salmons wasn't playing out of his mind. I don't know what the hell you were watching. Salmons was solid when we got him, but that's about it. In the play-offs he wasn't even that good on his 40% shooting on 17ppg/3 rebounds. If that's "playing" out of your mind production then Deng was playing way out of his mind this past season. :rolling:
Salmons went for 18-4.5 in the playoffs(same as he did in the regular season for the Bulls pretty much) and I don't think any sane person would argue Salmons didn't play incredibly well in that series on both ends of the floor considering who he was checking and who was checking him.



Play-off experience does a lot for young players. It shows what they're capable of and builds confidence in high pressure situations.
Meathead alert!


The Bulls didn't outperform the previous season because all of our key players were injured in the second half.
You do watch Bulls basketball right? I mean the Bulls were sucking in the first half of the season anyways. There was no playoff carry over. The Bulls started terribly. Del Negro was almost fired before Xmas/New Years. Noah was the only "key player" to miss significant time last season...at any point. Every other important Bulls player played in at least 70 games(Rose, Hinrich, Deng, Miller, Gibson).

The Bulls were a better team last season due to Rose and Noahs improvement.
Exactly. Them improving had nothing to do with the playoffs. They improved because they are young players and were going to get better regardless if they had been swept by the Celtics or had gone the full 7 games.

The play-offs were a different story this time considering we played the #1 seed and one of the top 3 players in the league.
So playoff experience only counts when you aren't playing a 1 seed or a top 3 player. Yeah no flaws in that logic....
 

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You're right. Never forget Derrick Rose's first play-off series.

Yeah. I'll be sure to never forget Rajon Rondo going for two triple doubles against him and nearly averaging a triple double for the series. Thank God Rose experienced that.
 

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Or Doc just happened to be coaching the better team.

I'm pretty confident if you give Vinny Del Negro the Celtics roster they win that series anyways.

Well of course. Like I've been saying, the Celtics should've won that series even without KG, they were clearly the better team.

No, I was excited about the future because I was hoping the talent would develop. Not because the Bulls lost a 1st round playoff series in 7 games.

The talent did develop, it's just the front office continued to gear themselves for the 2010 off-season and kept subtracting talent instead of adding.

Ok. So Salmons>>>Deng at the 3 that season. Which was the entire point. Thanks for finally getting it.

Only because he was incapable physically.

Yeah I'm a "hater" for pointing out Deng's great defensive work allowed LBJ to go for a near triple double.

Stupid stats. Always hatin'

Everyone looks bad guarding James. Only team defense can stop him.

Deng's an underathletic SF who has a very nice mid range jumper, but isn't good off the dribble, is a decent defender, can't shoot the 3.

He can shoot the three, but isn't a good three point shooter. Deng is versatile, he does many thing well, but nothing great. He was much better at the 3pt line and off the dribble last season.

yeah we coul dhave really used the less than 100% Luol Deng to take minutes away from Salmons who was playing out of his mind. I know when Salmons was was holding Pierce to less than 40% shooting in games and was hitting big shots I just kept thinking "Man! I wish Luol Deng was there!"

I'll take a 100% Deng over Salmons at the 3 anyday. Again, Salmons was not "playing out of his mind" by any means. It's funny that you call me a meathead while being one yourself.

Salmons went for 18-4.5 in the playoffs(same as he did in the regular season for the Bulls pretty much) and I don't think any sane person would argue Salmons didn't play incredibly well in that series on both ends of the floor considering who he was checking and who was checking him.

So what is it? Did he play incredibly well or out of his mind? And where do you get 18ppg? He scored 17 ppg on the dot for the play-offs with the Bulls. You can only round numbers that are .5 or better.

Meathead alert!

Asshole alert!

Can't talk basketball online without an insult right? The elitist attitude on message boards are pathetic. It makes you seem like a fat kid with no confidence.

You do watch Bulls basketball right? I mean the Bulls were sucking in the first half of the season anyways. There was no playoff carry over. The Bulls started terribly. Del Negro was almost fired before Xmas/New Years. Noah was the only "key player" to miss significant time last season...at any point. Every other important Bulls player played in at least 70 games(Rose, Hinrich, Deng, Miller, Gibson).

Once Rose turned it on, the team was completely different and were a game and a half behind the 5th seed.

All of our players were getting injured at or around the same time which contributed to the breakdown. Circumstances are everything. Noah being out was the biggest reason we lost games. The Bulls did two things really well last season and that was defense and rebounding, both of which took a HUGE hit when Noah was out. That is why the Bulls did not improve on their record last season. They were clearly on their way to finishing the season better than the previous one.

Exactly. Them improving had nothing to do with the playoffs. They improved because they are young players and were going to get better regardless if they had been swept by the Celtics or had gone the full 7 games.

You don't think play-offs does anything for a player. I gotcha. But I completely disagree.

So playoff experience only counts when you aren't playing a 1 seed or a top 3 player. Yeah no flaws in that logic....

The play-offs were a different story as in getting eliminated in fewer games, I wasn't even talking about experience there. The Cavs were a much better team than that Celtics team we played in the play-offs in '09.
 
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Well of course. Like I've been saying, the Celtics should've won that series even without KG, they were clearly the better team.
And they did......So what was it the Bulls accomplished again?



The talent did develop, it's just the front office continued to gear themselves for the 2010 off-season and kept subtracting talent instead of adding.
The Bulls roster remained the same until the trade dead line. There was literally no difference in the roster from the one that lost in the playoffs except for the fact that the Bulls decided to not overpay for Ben Gordon to stick around...and Luol Deng was actually playing



Only because he was incapable physically.
..........Duh.








He can shoot the three, but isn't a good three point shooter.
LOL at this. Talk about "spin". My 83 year old grandfather can "shoot" the three too then. He just isn't good at it. This is where the conversation is going? I thought it was common knowledge when talking basketball that when you say a guy "can't shoot *insert shot here* it meant he was bad at it. Not that his body physically shut down and prevented him from completing the act.

Deng is versatile, he does many thing well, but nothing great. He was much better at the 3pt line and off the dribble last season.
Yeah Deng was so much better from 3 and had so much confidence in it that he took a whopping 83 attempts!



I'll take a 100% Deng over Salmons at the 3 anyday.
........................What the hell are you even talking about. I never even made the claim I would take Salmons over a 100% Deng so what are you even disagreeing with here? You might want to read what I typed again and try and formulate some sort of on topic response.




Did he play incredibly well or out of his mind? And where do you get 18ppg?
John Salmons NBA & ABA Statistics | Basketball-Reference.com

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/gamelog?playerId=1726&year=2009

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/john_salmons/career_stats.html

Where the hell are you getting 17PPG?

Math lesson:

12+17+14+20+17+35+12 /7=18.142857








Can't talk basketball online without an insult right? The elitist attitude on message boards are pathetic. It makes you seem like a fat kid with no confidence
You're right. I'd much rather be the fat kid who doesn't know how to average out points over a 7 games series.



Once Rose turned it on, the team was completely different and were a game and a half behind the 5th seed.
And still the 8th seed................

All of our players were getting injured at or around the same time which contributed to the breakdown.
Again: The Bulls sucked before any one missed any significant time. Del Negro almost lost his job. You can try and blame the Bulls sucking on injuries that took place in February but the bottom line is the Bulls were a marginal team from the seasons opening tip.

Noah being out was the biggest reason we lost games.
The team was losing plenty of games before Noah even got hurt.

Try again.

They were clearly on their way to finishing the season better than the previous one.
Yeah, that's why at the half way point of last year the team was 19-22. They were 23-25 when Noah started missing time. Nice try. This team was behind pace even with Noah in the lineup.





You don't think play-offs does anything for a player. I gotcha. But I completely disagree.
Good for you. There's a mountain of evidence to the contrary but just keep livin the dream(lie).



The play-offs were a different story as in getting eliminated in fewer games, I wasn't even talking about experience there. The Cavs were a much better team than that Celtics team we played in the play-offs in '09.
Again, so experience doesn't matter. What matters is who is the better team. Until the Bulls are actually better at basketball than the team they are playing in a series they will most likely keep losing playoff series..no matter how many times they get there and how much "valuable" experience they get.
 
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And they did......So what was it the Bulls accomplished again?

Go back and read what I've written. I even went as far as saying "They didn't accomplish anything". Reading is fundamental.


LOL at this. Talk about "spin". My 83 year old grandfather can "shoot" the three too then. He just isn't good at it. This is where the conversation is going? I thought it was common knowledge when talking basketball that when you say a guy "can't shoot *insert shot here* it meant he was bad at it. Not that his body physically shut down and prevented him from completing the act.

Yeah Deng was so much better from 3 and had so much confidence in it that he took a whopping 83 attempts!

It's not like he shot a bad percentage on the three's he did take. I bet your grandfather couldn't hit 38% on 83 three point shots in the NBA. Deng can shoot the three and drain a decent percentage of what he take. You're making it seem like he can't hit a three point shot to save his life, when that is not true.

........................What the hell are you even talking about. I never even made the claim I would take Salmons over a 100% Deng so what are you even disagreeing with here? You might want to read what I typed again and try and formulate some sort of on topic response.
I was just making a statement. I wasn't disagreeing.

I was actually thinking "Man I wish Luol Deng was there" to make another comment on that response. I would've been more than pleased for Deng to take some of Salmons minutes at the three in the play-offs against the Celtics. I wasn't hoping for a partially healthy Deng to return.


I was on my IPhone when I typed that message and took the play-off average for this past season with the Bucks accidentally. My fail.

You're right. I'd much rather be the fat kid who doesn't know how to average out points over a 7 games series.

And still the 8th seed................

I knew you had to be a fattie.

Still the 8th seed after everyone wrote the Bulls off. Still the same record as the previous season with the whole starting line-up being out at one point after the all-star break.

Again: The Bulls sucked before any one missed any significant time. Del Negro almost lost his job. You can try and blame the Bulls sucking on injuries that took place in February but the bottom line is the Bulls were a marginal team from the seasons opening tip.

They were a marginal team, I never said otherwise. All I was saying is that they were a better team than the 08-09 Bulls until the injuries came. They got off to a slow start but really picked it up until getting destroyed by injuries.

Yeah, that's why at the half way point of last year the team was 19-23. They were 23-25 when Noah started missing time. Nice try. This team was behind pace even with Noah in the lineup.

Good for you. There's a mountain of evidence to the contrary but just keep livin the dream(lie).

Evidence by records at certain points of the first half of the season does no good. That 10 game losing streak in the second half and having our main guys out during the most important part of the season is what derailed any hope of getting more wins. The Bulls were on their way to a better record last season before nearly every good player on the team was hurt, in my opinion. There is no evidence to prove that otherwise.

Oh yeah, 19+23=42

Halfway would be 41. OMGZERS! And there's your fail. See? We all do it.

This argument is getting so ridiculously long and tedious...
 
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