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Wrong. Trust me, I’m a doctor.
Cameron Meredith is getting ready to run the NFC South ahead of schedule
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Wrong. Trust me, I’m a doctor.
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Anyone that has read this thread knows you are not a doctor. No one trusts you or believes you.
Before this thread you were a noisy guy that some people disagreed with. That is gone, you are something else now and it's not good, I recommend you cut your losses.
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So is my crime then suggesting that I’m a doctor?
I’m still waiting for someone to point out a single thing I was wrong on. I’ll keep waiting.
I’m still waiting for someone to point out a single thing I was wrong on. I’ll keep waiting.
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wrong about what? Equating Robinson and Meredith like a moron?
There is a lot more to a player than who gets on the field first.
There is a lot more to a player than who gets on the field first.
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LOL. I don't know Sugarwalls but I've often heard "I'm a doctor" in conversation. Lets just hope that with his forum name, he's not a gynecologist.
This thread isn't about comparing players but calling out pace on the idea that Cam's surgery may have him not be able to start the season. Him running like that let us know that he's at least on schedule but it was bit of a dog and pony show. There was no good reason to have him in drills other than PR and it's seemed to work.
My take on Paces comments were that they weren't entirely happy on where and how the procedure was done and held that against him. I was surprised to see him go and still think it was a mistake but like most things in life, folks take a position on either side of an issue and defend it with whatever they can pull out of there asses while claiming their opponent has the extreme position. That's just another day at CCS.
This thread isn't about comparing players but calling out pace on the idea that Cam's surgery may have him not be able to start the season. Him running like that let us know that he's at least on schedule but it was bit of a dog and pony show. There was no good reason to have him in drills other than PR and it's seemed to work.
My take on Paces comments were that they weren't entirely happy on where and how the procedure was done and held that against him. I was surprised to see him go and still think it was a mistake but like most things in life, folks take a position on either side of an issue and defend it with whatever they can pull out of there asses while claiming their opponent has the extreme position. That's just another day at CCS.
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After seeing practice last Wednesday, it’s fairly obvious why he’s gone. The Bears deployed numerous formations but there was a certain consistency to what players were in the slot. Burton and Brown were in the slot quite a bit and when they weren’t there, it was Miller, Cohen or both of them. Also, Burton was mixed in with Miller and Cohen.
The Bears put a value on him and the Saints exceeded it. I think the decision was more Nagy than Pace. Also, Hub covered the whole “it was only another million dollars to give him the second round tender.” He said fans think like that and GMs protect their cap. I think the knee was a consideration too. The same guys bitching about Meredith would be hammering Pace for counting on two guys coming off ACL surgery. Plus, they’re putting in a new system. Would it be fair to Trubisky if two of his top 4 were possibly not going to be available at full go for camp? Just missing OTAs and mini camp would put them further behind. Robinson’s inability to practice now isn’t ideal either but it’s better than having two guys out.
Adipost said Meredith is a slot. Well, the big wideouts like White, Wims, Fowler and Brown lined up outside. The size exception on the outside was Gabriel.
Also, I’d take Anthony Miller over Cam Meredith any day of the week. I see Miller as a major upgrade.
The Bears put a value on him and the Saints exceeded it. I think the decision was more Nagy than Pace. Also, Hub covered the whole “it was only another million dollars to give him the second round tender.” He said fans think like that and GMs protect their cap. I think the knee was a consideration too. The same guys bitching about Meredith would be hammering Pace for counting on two guys coming off ACL surgery. Plus, they’re putting in a new system. Would it be fair to Trubisky if two of his top 4 were possibly not going to be available at full go for camp? Just missing OTAs and mini camp would put them further behind. Robinson’s inability to practice now isn’t ideal either but it’s better than having two guys out.
Adipost said Meredith is a slot. Well, the big wideouts like White, Wims, Fowler and Brown lined up outside. The size exception on the outside was Gabriel.
Also, I’d take Anthony Miller over Cam Meredith any day of the week. I see Miller as a major upgrade.
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3445196/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.drdavidgeier.com/allograft-acl-failure-rate/amp/
Failure rate for autografts is in single digits. Failure rate for allografts is double digits. In some studies you are 3 or 4 times more likely to suffer failure using allografts.
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Once again your claim was that it was risky for him to be doing drills and that his doctors were ignorant. 9 months is precisely the time people start doing drills.
He is ahead of schedule because his doctors who know the exact extent of his injury have a timetable based on their knowledge of the injury and recovery. 9 months is a generic number not based on his actual facts and circumstances. Given he had a slight MCL tear, his doctors perhaps thought that would delay things a bit. Who knows, the point is only doctors that examined him would know whether he was ahead of schedule or not. Certainly not a doctor stupid enough to be using generic recovery rates.
And no I said they would be looking at the growth of his cells because last I checked a ligament is a group of cells. The ligamentization process which is what happens during the 6-9 month phase would be the cells growing and developing into a ligament. How does a tendon transform into a ligament without the growth and transformation of cells?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/21515806/
Searches were limited to studies examining the healing of the intra-articular portion of the tendon graft based on biopsies of this graft obtained from a living human.
RESULTS: Four studies were determined to be appropriate for systematic review, none of them reaching a level of evidence higher than 3. All reports considered autografts. Biopsy specimens were evaluated by light or electron microscopy and analyzed for vascularization, cellular aspects, and appearance of extracellular matrix.
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I think he"d have mostly been outside in this O and him still in this mix wouldn't hurt us in any way. It's just another backup dropping off the roster in Sept. Trubs would still have the same guys to throw to.
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You definitely slept at a Holiday Inn last night but thought it was an Express.
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Remy I know you are a great debater, always looking for inconsistencies and fallacious reasoning. However what you posted states that Four (4) only in the history of the Earth were ever examined cellularly Post surgery.... How likely does that make Meredith #5..... and besides, what is the mathmatical expectation of an infection arising from obtaining a biopsy of meredith ?
I doubt any medical staff would try to look at the tissue on a cellular level in order to make a press release to its fans.
Remember Remy, SugrVag is not debating you. This is his or her normal conver and consequently could be occasionally inconsistent because their rationale is not trying to WIN the friggin debate
I doubt any medical staff would try to look at the tissue on a cellular level in order to make a press release to its fans.
Remember Remy, SugrVag is not debating you. This is his or her normal conver and consequently could be occasionally inconsistent because their rationale is not trying to WIN the friggin debate
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Is this in reference to Meredith? There was plenty of reason to have him in drills. He is 9 months removed and that is precisely the time he should be starting to get back to doing drills. Not sure when people think guys should start running and cutting again but 9 months is typically the time given no setbacks.
Robinson is a different case as his injury was a little bit later so he is not quite yet at 9 months so perfectly fine for him to not start running yet.
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I'm sure if asked, doctors would have said it's OK for AR to jog some routes. Also wouldn't prove anything. This was simply a choice by the parties involved to be cautious or assume what was considered reasonable risk. Much ado about nothing.
Also, when it comes to doctors, disagreements in procedures, prognosis and recovery are far from uncommon. What's the 1st thing you're told when needing a significant procedure? Get a 2nd opinion. Certain aspects of things become more accepted but like other sciences, knowns sometimes change.
Also, when it comes to doctors, disagreements in procedures, prognosis and recovery are far from uncommon. What's the 1st thing you're told when needing a significant procedure? Get a 2nd opinion. Certain aspects of things become more accepted but like other sciences, knowns sometimes change.
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Four studies were determined to be appropriate for systematic review, none of them reaching a level of evidence higher than 3.
4 separate studies were reviewed and there would have been multiple people in the studies as you wouldn't do a study with just 1 person. I am not suggesting they had to biopsy him. I said they would be evaluating the growth of his cells because the tendon has to grow into a ligament.
I was pointing out that taking a biopsy is not out of the question because the dude was making it sound like it was unheard of to take a biopsy. However, how they actually choose to evaluate the growth of the tendon into a ligament is up to them and I don't presume to know how they did it. I just know they need some mechanism to assess how that growth occurred. If they have other noninvasive ways of doing so then so be it but it is clear that taking a biopsy is one option to determine how well the cells have developed. Not saying it is the only option and surprised an alleged doctor would categorically rule it out.
He is coming off of an injury and as part of that they would be assessing his recovery at various stages. That has nothing to do with a press release and I don't think the press release is driving anything they are doing. They just gave an update because they could.
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Don't know that the intent is to prove anything rather than simply to get the individual running again as a normal part of his rehab. I am not sure why we are comparing Meredith and AR. Their respective doctors know more than any of us and I am sure they are taking whatever precautions necessary. I don't see a problem with Meredith running and AR not running at this point and nothing I have heard suggests either won't be ready for the season.
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I cant believe you guys are spending the extra day off fighting on an internet forum. Go look at some puppy pics then go out and enjoy the day.
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He also stated CM is more dynamic than Miller.
He's entitled to his opinion. I happen to disagree. He knows his football and he really likes Cam's skill set. I certainly would not be upset if they matched the deal but I would be a bit uncomfortable with Robinson and Cam both coming off major surgeries.
I think the Bears would rather spend that money on Goldman and Amos. We'll see if they extend those guys during camp.
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It's amazing to me how many poster's favorite players (Watson, Jimmy, Cam) all play for different teams. People seriously have to learn how to let things go....
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He is...even though at this time it seems wrong, time will tell.