Cap numbers as they stand right now... huh???

[bearmick]

lol

What you are really saying is that you don't think Cutler deserves the contract he got.

Why don't you just stick with the actual point you are making which is that the Bears should have moved on from Cutler.

Cause either you think it was the right move to keep Cutler or you don't. If you think it was good to keep him, than you have to accept the contract cause its what he costs.

If you think it was a mistake to keep him, than that is the real conversation.

Hasn't that already been said numerous times?

Yes, it was a gargantuan mistake to keep him.

 

[Ralpf]

I think people are using this excuse like it's going to create a huge problem when doesn't have to. Sure, if you convert a huge chunk to signing bonus it would be problematic with dead money later. But it's obvious Emery and Stein don't want that based on how they structured the contract. So I'd say they're highly unlikely to do that.

Instead, it creates an oppurtunity for small adjustments and emergency funds, basically. They could convert some small amount like 5 mil to SB, so 1 mil a year cap hit. It frees up 4 mil this year taking his hit down to 18.5 mil. Cutting him after year 3 only has a 2 mil dead money hit which is not something that would deter them.

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Exactly, they can do as little or as much as is required, and Cutlers isn't the only contract structured that way, if it is a small amount needed they don't have to use his if they don't want to.

 

[Chicago4Life]

bears currently have 8.5 in space excluding the 2014 draft class which would be 3-4 mill i assume so its really 4.5 - 5.5 in cap space...

 

[number51]

Q: So how's the cap space?

A: CUTLER!!!!!!!

 

[Nick80]

Why can't people have a balanced view and ride out the questionable and also ride out the great?

Maybe we should all have a pissing contest, someones bound to piss on themselves eventually.

 

[botfly10]

The design is somewhat problematic, though.

First, the bargain value in Cutler's contract is in the back end, so you have to stomach the first 3 years of overpaying him before getting even a chance at some decent ROI.

Second, while the new mantra here is "the Bears can convert Cutler's 2014 base pay to signing bonus to lessen this year's cap hit", the moment you do this you change Cutler's contract from a 3-year guaranteed deal to a 5-year guaranteed deal, because you have to spread out the signing bonus over 5 years.

Third, any plans to "groom" a replacement QB are kind of messed up, because you now have to wait until his 3 guaranteed years are over with before you do anything. If you draft a QB now, and Cutler ends up doing well, you'd want to keep Cutler around to take advantage of his contract structure where the bargain value is in the back end. Is that replacement QB going to stick around 7 years? And if Cutler ends up sucking and the Bears unload him after 3 years, will there be any replacement options already on the roster? Doubtful.

But if you accept that Cutler is your guy than those issues become negligible if not total non-factors.

You are still describing a situation where the issue is Cutler and not believing he is worth investing in as a long term starter.

 

[nwfisch]

Why can't people have a balanced view and ride out the questionable and also ride out the great?

Maybe we should all have a pissing contest, someones bound to piss on themselves eventually.

I pee in the shower all the time :shrug:

 

[botfly10]

Regardless of how it was purposefully structured, the point is he shouldn't have a contract that could in any way be contorted into a top 12 QB cap hit far less the biggest. He isn't worth more than a low-to-mid starting QB contract.

To me thats a different conversation than crying about the front loaded cap hit and saying it hurts the team.

 

[botfly10]

All I am saying is that if you like Cutler as a long term starter, than its a good contract. Maybe really good.

If you don't like Cutler as the long term starter, than you're not going to like any realistic contract no matter how it was structured.

 

[-Cago34-]

I pee in the shower all the time :shrug:

I pee on the floor next to botflys toilet

 

[Nick80]

I pee in the shower all the time :shrug:

It's Friday, early evening, this is something that I am not sure you should share. What happened to you, man, you've changed.

 

[Nick80]

I pee on the floor next to botflys toilet

I wish I hadn't used this particular analogy now. **** it.

 

[Bones40]

It seems pretty simple to me. The plan was never to build an immediate contender for 2014. The plan was to lay a foundation of young players on defense that have a lot of upside while riding out the final year of cap purgatory left by Angelo and Lovie. This allows us to keep our offensive stars in the future while building a good defense. If we can field a competitive defense next year and make a run in the playoffs, it's gravy.

This is a transition year, and thus, is the best time to take the biggest hit of Cutler's contract. Starting 2015, the moves made this year combined with the cap freedom created by these moves is going to allow a situation where we can definitely be considered a contender with plenty of money to resign our own and go after some big names in FA (which we won't have to if Emery starts drafting decent).

 

[rawdawg]

Regardless of how it was purposefully structured, the point is he shouldn't have a contract that could in any way be contorted into a top 12 QB cap hit far less the biggest. He isn't worth more than a low-to-mid starting QB contract.

The problem with that is he wouldn't sign that type of contract. And then you'd be stuck with an actual low-to-mid starting QB talent.

 

[nwfisch]

The problem with that is he wouldn't sign that type of contract. And then you'd be stuck with an actual low-to-mid starting QB talent.

Wouldn't you agree that all mitigating factors combined, Cutler is at about mid-level in regards to his performance so far?

To me thats a different conversation than crying about the front loaded cap hit and saying it hurts the team.

I thought that's what I was saying :shrug:

 

[DMelt36]

Saw a Bears blogger mention that he's got the Bears at $40 million of cap space in 2015, which sounds awesome. Can anyone clarify if he's close or not? I'm not good with the salary cap.

 

[-Cago34-]

Wouldn't you agree that all mitigating factors combined, Cutler is at about mid-level in regards to his performance so far?

Jay has the ability to attack a defense in a way that mid-level QB's simply can't, shit, even some of the leagues best. He got paid for that ability. Yes, he needs to clean some things up, but letting Jay walk, or insult his ability with a shitty contract offer would have created more instability throughout the franchise than it was worth.

Jay is gonna light it the **** up over the next 4-5 years, and earn every penny during that span. The cap space allocated to Jay is not a problem at all.

 

[stats guy]

I've gone to 5 different websites and gotten 5 different numbers for our salary cap. Does anyone know what the actual number is?

 

[botfly10]

I pee on the floor next to botflys toilet

Right into the goddamn toilet carpet you son of a *****

 

[nwfisch]

Saw a Bears blogger mention that he's got the Bears at $40 million of cap space in 2015, which sounds awesome. Can anyone clarify if he's close or not? I'm not good with the salary cap.

They have $50M according to this site

http://overthecap.com/nfl-cap-space2.php?Year=2015

I don't think the $40M would be too far off if BOTH Marshall and Jeffery didn't need extensions. I think it'll go down to $35M or so, but the cap might jump higher than the $136M I'm pulling out of my ass.