Carcillo traded to Kings for conditional pick

[puckjim]

I also hate fighting in hockey.  </p>


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And Bollig.</p>

 

[R K]

I love fighting in hockey.  RIght time right place.</p>


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Tell Chapman you hate fighting next show.  ROTFL!</p>

 

[puckjim]

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I love fighting in hockey.  RIght time right place.

 

Tell Chapman you hate fighting next show.  ROTFL!</p></blockquote>


Agree, but the right time and place has mostly been replaced by the staged WWF bullshit fights we see so much of lately.


Given the choice I'd rather just see it die off.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

Here is one of the best articles I've read on the "Tough guy" vs "Tough to play against". </p>


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[topic='Justin Bourne on Tough to Play against']http://blogs.thescore.com/nhl/2013/02/21/straight-up-tough-versus-tough-to-play-the-importance-of-the-right-type-of-sandpaper/[/topic]</p>


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Best part of the article...</p>


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The “tough to playâ€� guy makes life completely miserable for players like me. And for context “players like meâ€� in the NHL are guys like Drew Stafford, Mason Raymond, Kyle Turris and so on. Guys who are good offensive players, but shut-downable. We’re your second line scorers, guys that aren’t going to be point-per-gamers, but if life is easy enough for us, we’ll put pucks in the net and kill your team. We hate playing Neil and Ott and Prust, because they make our life a living hell.  They can make us recede into a shell. Which rhymes, and is therefore cool.</p>


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You know when you play them that you’re going to get chopped going to the net, you’re going to get hit after your pass, and you’re going to get chirped after the whistle. They make you man up, and while we often can, getting challenged consistently can wear us down to irrelevance. We’re not built to “rise up� to some physical altercation every goddamn shift. We love a more European style game. Hell, someone like Kyle Wellwood could be a premium scorer if it weren’t for guys who were tough to play. He’s a rec hockey god in wait.</p>


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The problem is, these tough guys who get over 10 minutes a night get lumped in with the thugs because they’re not afraid to drop the mitts when things get thick. Your average hockey fan doesn’t know how to separate Colton Orr from Chris Neil or Dan Carcillo or even Steve Downie. Steve Ott out-scored Mike Ribeiro, Brenden Morrow and tied Jamie Benn (in less games) in 09-10, which doesn’t make him a skill guy. He just scores a different type goal that comes from a different type of game, and if you can find a guy with some semblance of skill to go with a willingness to punchisize many faces for free like that you generally fall over yourself to get it.</p>
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Carcillo I wouldn't lump into a "tough guy category".  He was more of a "tough to play against" and his teammates and other players across the league know that.  On a team that wasn't as deep as the Hawks, Carcillo plays on the 3rd, even 4th line. </p>


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Bollig IMO can play a regular shift evident that Q kept rolling him out in the 3 OT game.  He's not going to score you any big goals, nor is he going to set up one.  But for the most part he's solid in his own zone, willing to play physical, get's 5-6 minutes a night, and cost you peanuts. </p>


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Edit - And before you whiners make comments about "What does he know", Justin is the son of Bob Bourne who was a NYI back in their dynasty days.  Played NCAA college at Alaska Anchorage and 2 years in the ECHL (couple AHL callups and one NHL training camp). </p>

 

[mikita's helmet]

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Edit - And before you whiners make comments about "What does he know", Justin is the son of Bob Bourne who was a NYI back in their dynasty days.  Played NCAA college at Alaska Anchorage and 2 years in the ECHL (couple AHL callups and one NHL training camp).
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My dad was an alcoholic wife beater, back when drinkin' was drinkin'.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

Congrats on therapy!

 

[Rex]

Jesus, I agree with Maiden more and more every day</p>


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I liked Carbomb, but he wasn't as quick after his knee injuries</p>


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hoping this opens a spot for Beach (whcih I'm sure Maiden will disagree with)</p>

 

[Rex]

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Agree, but the right time and place has mostly been replaced by the staged WWF bullshit fights we see so much of lately.


Given the choice I'd rather just see it die off.</p>
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I'd rather see a legit fight, skill player vs skill player like Iginla vs Lecalvier in the 03 playoffs</p>


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That said, I hate the planned fights. </p>

 

[mikita's helmet]

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hoping this opens a spot for Beach (whcih I'm sure Maiden will disagree with)</p>
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Love to see what he can do at the NHL level.  Might as well give him a shot in the preseason on the3rd or (most likely) 4th line and see if he stirs stuff up.</p>

 

[Rex]

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Love to see what he can do at the NHL level.  Might as well give him a shot in the preseason on the3rd or (most likely) 4th line and see if he stirs stuff up.</p>
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even if you put him on the fourth, what do you have to lose?</p>


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I remember a few years ago in the preseason a top line of Olesz-Toews-Beach that tore it up, and neither were given a real chance</p>


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I hope Beach is given a chance</p>

 

[Variable]

I hope he's given a chance over Brad Fucking Winchester. ****. Potentially back up to 2 now.</p>

 

[mikita's helmet]

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even if you put him on the fourth, what do you have to lose?</p>


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Especially compared to the possible upside.</p>

 

[R K]

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even if you put him on the fourth, what do you have to lose?</p>


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I remember a few years ago in the preseason a top line of Olesz-Toews-Beach that tore it up, and neither were given a real chance</p>


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I hope Beach is given a chance</p>
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But as you know preseason is preseason and that line would have been FUCKED once the regular season started.</p>

 

[Maiden]

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I'd rather see a legit fight, skill player vs skill player like Iginla vs Lecalvier in the 03 playoffs</p>


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That said, I hate the planned fights. </p>
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I second this motion...............................</p>

 

[Maiden]

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Jesus, I agree with Maiden more and more every day</p>


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I liked Carbomb, but he wasn't as quick after his knee injuries</p>


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hoping this opens a spot for Beach (whcih I'm sure Maiden will disagree with)</p>
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Why would I disagree with this?</p>

 

[Rex]

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Why would I disagree with this?</p>
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Thought you would be in the majority lol</p>

 

[R K]

Be a lot better than Bollig down there that's for sure.</p>

 

[R K]

Bickell-Toews-Kane</p>


Sharp-Pirri-Hossa</p>


Saad-Shaw-Kruger</p>


Smith/Morin/Hayes-Zues-Beach</p>


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There is a LOT of depth for that 4th line.  Some that should get far more than 4th line minutes.</p>