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Yep...Melo will just score and score for us nothing more.

And when he plays LeBron and Wade and Kobe and Durant, they will score and score and score and score for their respective team(s).

But, sure, Carmelo will score and score... and then do a lot of average-to-below average things for us.
 

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And when he plays LeBron and Wade and Kobe and Durant, they will score and score and score and score for their respective team(s).

But, sure, Carmelo will score and score... and then do a lot of average-to-below average things for us.

Yea I agree.
 

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Wow i think everyone is forgetting the fact that Thibs took Ray Allen and Rondo, who were not known for being good defenders, into pretty good defensive players. You guys forget that coaching would have a lot to do with this team being successful. From what it sounds like, it seems you guys wouldnt take Melo in a trade lol.
 

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I would be pretty selective about a trade for Melo but still think he's a great player. He's just not a 1st tier player.
 

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Based on the idea that LeBron James, if nobody else at all, is in a class of his own.
 

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So you wouldnt trade for him based on that??
 

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Being pretty selective on a trade for Melo, doing alot of average to below average for us, and not a 1st tier player. Sounds like your happier with Deng on this team than Melo. Also if he wasnt a first tier player, then why are the Nuggets competitive in the playoffs, i can assure you its not because of the talents of Nene and Billups. Melo can average close to 28 points a game if he had better talent and better shot selections. Also, if he wasn't a 1st tier player, then why is he sponsored by Team Jordan? He is a bonfied all star who would take the Bulls to the next level if he were traded here period.
 
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he is a good scorer. but he is a good post up player and a fabulous go to man late in games. he can beat players off the dribble and get to the FT stripe. if we were to get him he would be a superb second option for us. actually probably the second best option in the nba. with wade and the heat being first.
 

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he is a good scorer. but he is a good post up player and a fabulous go to man late in games. he can beat players off the dribble and get to the FT stripe. if we were to get him he would be a superb second option for us. actually probably the second best option in the nba. with wade and the heat being first.

You make a good point. He would be 1st or second option depending on what Thibs draws up.
 

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Being pretty selective on a trade for Melo, doing alot of average to below average for us, and not a 1st tier player. Sounds like your happier with Deng on this team than Melo. Also if he wasnt a first tier player, then why are the Nuggets competitive in the playoffs, i can assure you its not because of the talents of Nene and Billups. Melo can average close to 28 points a game if he had better talent and better shot selections. Also, if he wasn't a 1st tier player, then why is he sponsored by Team Jordan? He is a bonfied all star who would take the Bulls to the next level if he were traded here period.

Team Jordan is a brand name that sponsors popular players. I'm pretty sure Melo is the best guy they have on their label. That doesn't mean Melo is right up there with LeBron.

And just because I wouldn't give up just ANYBODY on the Bulls roster for Melo, doesn't mean that I like Deng over Melo... Where did you come up with that? Because I sure didn't say it...

He isn't a first tier player because LeBron James is way, way, way better than Carmelo. Not to mention other obvious choices like Durant, Wade, Bryant, and Howard.

And it seems like you vastly underrated Billups and Nene. Look what the Nuggets did last season without Nene in the playoffs? Last year was the first season Billups missed the conference finals in seven seasons. He has a Finals MVP award. I'm pretty sure Melo needed both of them, and his coach (also not there in 2010) because the Nuggets were killed by Utah in round 1.

As for LeBron... he carried the Big Z and Larry Hughes Cavs to the Finals...
 

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Billups and Nene are not that good. Billups i should say is way past his prime. There were no other good options on that Nuggets team. JR Smith chucks the ball up like theres no tomorrow. So to say he is not a 1st tier player in this league when he clearly carried that franchise, plus the franchises biggest draw ever, your pretty much underrating Melo. Like i said, put him on the Bulls we would not be having this discussion. We would talk about how many wins this team could have by seasons end.
 

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Billups and Nene are not that good. Billups i should say is way past his prime. There were no other good options on that Nuggets team. JR Smith chucks the ball up like theres no tomorrow. So to say he is not a 1st tier player in this league when he clearly carried that franchise, plus the franchises biggest draw ever, your pretty much underrating Melo. Like i said, put him on the Bulls we would not be having this discussion. We would talk about how many wins this team could have by seasons end.

Come on...

I don't know how many players in the NBA you consider to be "1st-tier" right now... but in no way will I classify Carmelo Anthony as top tier... he isn't that good... not "LeBron" good.

Magic Johnson : Isiah Thomas :: LeBron James : Carmelo Anthony

And that^ is beyond fair in Melo's case.
 

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Did you really just compare Isiah Thomas to Carmelo Anthony? Really? That's ridiculous.
 

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And who else exactly is "LeBron good"? I'll spot you Kobe, Durant, and Wade, which makes for, what, only four players in your highest of NBA tiers? Seems to me like you're just splitting hairs when it comes to Melo. Come on.
 

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And who else exactly is "LeBron good"? I'll spot you Kobe, Durant, and Wade, which makes for, what, only four players in your highest of NBA tiers? Seems to me like you're just splitting hairs when it comes to Melo. Come on.

Carmelo Anthony is, simply, nowhere near as good as any of those guys. I know that you know it too. So there's no point in pretending.

If Melo and Rose are on the same team, I hope that it's Rose who is leading the team in touches and is the main voice.
 

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You're right. That's doing a great disservice to Isiah Thomas.

Please, this kind of stuff is exactly why you shouldn't talk about basketball ever again. Melo's production so far in this relatively anemic scoring era is 24.4 PP36, that's worth 26.75 PP36 adjusted for Thomas' era, and the best Thomas ever achieved (in one season in his own era, mind you) was 21 PP36, with his career average being 19.1.

Not satisfied? Me neither, let's adjust for usage: Thomas' career usage rate is 25.3%, over which he put up an ORtg of 106, Melo's usage is 31.1% with a 107 ORtg. Let's take a hypothetical Melo and reduce him down to Thomas' career usage and see what we can reasonably expect his ORtg to be. The answer? 114. What about Thomas? If we expand his usage to that rate that Melo is at for his career, we can expect to see his ORtg drop to around 98. This isn't meant to say that had Thomas increased his workload he definitely would have fallen off the efficiency cliff, but just to illustrate that Thomas wasn't even more efficient than Melo when he finished a drastically lower percentage of his team's possessions compared to Carmelo! Carmelo is the more efficient scorer and by far the better volume scorer, all playing in an era where scoring is much harder to find than it was in Thomas' day. Melo wins, hands down.
 

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Still not satisfied, let's look at the two players through PER+, which is just PER adjusted for the league average and represented like OPS+ (100 is average, 120 is 20 percent above average, 80 is 20 percent below average, and so on):

Isiah Thomas Career PER+: 121

Carmelo Anthony Career PER+: 134

Yep, Melo still wins.
 

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