Chad Ford's 2010 Free Agency Numbers

[houheffna]

Re:Chad For's 2010 Free Agency Numbers

Deng was a important producer, but I don't think Skiles or Vinny's scheme was mainly focusing on getting him off.

A team is building a offense around a player when the main guy on offense is injured? That makes no sense. I know what Joe Johnson brings to the table, but let's not act as if the Hawks are going to look for some type of instant clone for him if he decides to bolt. When the talent changes, the team's offensive scheme is going to change as well.

Joe Johnson is not the be all end all of the Atlanta Hawks. He is a very good player, an all star. They bought in Bibby to facilitate the offense because Johnson was doing too much. But you have a decent set of young players, they may choose to blow the team up, but is not a foregone conclusion. As good as Johnson is, and I am on record for saying he would be better than any SG we have had here, he is not a max player at all. At 26 years old, it would be more logical, but not at 29.

 

[houheffna]

Re:Chad For's 2010 Free Agency Numbers

Do the Bulls want to commit near-max money to a 29 year old (34 at the end of the contract) shooting guard who averaged 21.4 PPG on 53.4 TS% who has less DWS than the previous "horrible defender" shooting guard, despite playing in 225 games? or an oft-injured power forward who just had a bad 16.2 PPG on 52.3 TS% season who is the same age as that shooting guard, who may never return to his allstar form because he's suffered too many injuries.

Who is the better player? And who helps Rose on both sides of the floor. That is the question. I would love to have Johnson here, at a reasonable price of course...

 

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houheffna wrote:

Do the Bulls want to commit near-max money to a 29 year old (34 at the end of the contract) shooting guard who averaged 21.4 PPG on 53.4 TS% who has less DWS than the previous "horrible defender" shooting guard, despite playing in 225 games? or an oft-injured power forward who just had a bad 16.2 PPG on 52.3 TS% season who is the same age as that shooting guard, who may never return to his allstar form because he's suffered too many injuries.

Who is the better player? And who helps Rose on both sides of the floor. That is the question. I would love to have Johnson here, at a reasonable price of course...

Ben Gordon was quite a bit better scoring wise, while Johnson was a better passer, with it being a wash defensively.

They're about the same level of player. I'd rather have Gordon because you get one of the best clutch players in the league with Gordon. You also get a player who fits what we were supposedly trying to build around (presumably abandoned after one season). He was one of the league's leaders in fastbreak points and one of the league's best three point shooters.

It's hard to come to a scenario where Joe Johnson doesn't get the max in 2010. Overpaying is unfortunately the name of the game in unrestricted free agency...especially when there is this many teams with money.

Given that Johnson is older and comes at a much steeper price (in addition to not allowing us to re-sign Thomas, and trade our expiring contracts, and use the MLE in 2010), if he is what we come out of 2010 free agency with, then letting Gordon walk was dumb decision.

 

[houheffna]

Re:Chad For's 2010 Free Agency Numbers

Ben Gordon was quite a bit better scoring wise, while Johnson was a better passer, with it being a wash defensively.

They're about the same level of player. I'd rather have Gordon because you get one of the best clutch players in the league with Gordon. You also get a player who fits what we were supposedly trying to build around (presumably abandoned after one season). He was one of the league's leaders in fastbreak points and one of the league's best three point shooters.

It's hard to come to a scenario where Joe Johnson doesn't get the max in 2010. Overpaying is unfortunately the name of the game in unrestricted free agency...especially when there is this many teams with money.

Given that Johnson is older and comes at a much steeper price (in addition to not allowing us to re-sign Thomas, and trade our expiring contracts, and use the MLE in 2010), if he is what we come out of 2010 free agency with, then letting Gordon walk was dumb decision.

Well again we disagree, much better scorer? Didn't we have this discussion over Gordon and Carmelo? Joe Johnson is a better basketball player period. If you get Joe Johnson over Ben Gordon then you improve at the position. No doubt about that. Defense is not a wash, Joe Johnson plays better defense when he wants to. Just like Larry Hughes played better defense when he wanted to. Johnson is 6'7" and would be more ideal defensively for what the Bulls want. You are overrating Gordon's defense, you are overrating Gordon, period. Johnson is an all-star caliber player, that is what the Bulls could use, if the Bulls could have gotten anytime, the moment he steps on the floor with the Bulls, he is easily the best player on the team.

And according to Mr. Hollinger, Johnson has constantly been the more productive player over the past 5 years. Gordon hasn't been a top 10 guard. Sorry, but I think you got this one wrong.

 

[TheStig]

Re:Chad For's 2010 Free Agency Numbers

JimmyBulls wrote:

Skiles offense was geared towards the concept of getting guys good looks on the perimeter. He ran a lot of deception with high pick and rolls, but ultimately the focus was on good looks on the perimeter. Even at his best Deng was more of a complementary glue guy, and not a guy that had our offense built around him. At best, what Skiles ran was geared towards a overall concept, and not one player. But if I had to choose a player that was the feature guy, I'd have to go with Ben Gordon. I say that because the offense was geared towards his strengths as a basketball player more than anybody.

Thats not the case, the offense was geared toward getting deng off at the beginning and getting him going. Why else did he get all those open jumpers, cuts and shots, he was clearly the option they wanted to go after and started the game trying to get him off. BG didn't even start and usually came in halfway through the first. He would take over at the end because no one else could but throughout the game we tried to get Deng shots.

 

[TheStig]

Re:Chad For's 2010 Free Agency Numbers

bullsman24 wrote:

ok, you overestimate all stars. if you take jamal magloire off the heat, are they any more than a lotto team? i think so...

Are you trying to refer to Maglories one allstar year of 13 and 10? If I overestimate all stars, why don't you name a team that won a title without a allstar? Somehow, they are more important then you stink.