Cheating Astros GM and Manager suspended 1 year

[TL1961]

The Red Sox were tagged once for Apple watches. Manfred could come down harder

I understand Cora is involved in two incidents. I guess they will give one larger penalty if guilty in both. What if (not going to happen) Red Sox are not guilty? Then you dole out Cora’s houston-related punishment?

I suppose they figure it’s coming soon enough they will simply wait and hit him once with a really harsh sentence.

 

[CubsFaninMN]

Seeing as how the Commissioner's report specifically names Cora as the person who masterminded the sign-stealing concept as the Astros bench coach, that Beltran worked with Cora to hone it into its final form, and then in 2018 that same Alex Cora seems to have instituted a sign-stealing system at Boston, I would expect a *very* harsh penalty. A five-year or even lifetime ban may be appropriate.

I also imagine that Beltran just got told by the Mets front office that he is on probation, and any hint of breaking the rules will be dealt with swiftly and harshly. Brody might even get himself a uniform issued and stick in the clubhouse and dugout, just to make sure...

The thing I really want to know, is how Luhnow and Hinch keep saying they didn't know, it was people under them and the players, it wasn't them, and yet the plan involved installing a TV monitor just outside the dugout. That costs money that has to show up on a financial report somewhere, Hinch and Luhnow had to have seen the monitor, the guy watching it with trash can lid and bat at the ready, and anyone, including any and all non-uniformed Astros staff who do frequently wander about in the clubhouse and dugout, simply could not have missed it. And they sure couldn't have failed to put that together with the monitor's sudden disappearance right as the umpires were asked to go check for such a thing during a late 2017 series against the White Sox.

Something as blatant and obvious as how this was set up just cannot be happening without the manager and GM knowing about it. End of story. Hinch may get work in baseball again, but I bet Luhnow doesn't...

-Doug

 

[zack54attack]

Cora is going to go down... Sounds like at least 3 year ban.

 

[Castor76]

For the Astros cheating?
I don’t follow.

No, to see if there's anything that happened while Cora was with the Red Sox beyond what's already been exposed.

 

[anotheridiot]

why are they still recognized as the 2017 world series champs?

 

[Jack Lantern]

Cora is going to go down... Sounds like at least 3 year ban.

He's gonna get the worst of it. Every cheating scandal from the Astros to the Red Sox follows him around.

And it also sounded like he was the mastermind of the video monitor being implemented in the dugout.

For the longest time it was he said she said but once that baseball podcaster broke it down on youtube the Astro's could no longer defend themselves, lol.

 

[TL1961]

No, to see if there's anything that happened while Cora was with the Red Sox beyond what's already been exposed.

I get that he will face punishment for both.

 

[TL1961]

Seeing as how the Commissioner's report specifically names Cora as the person who masterminded the sign-stealing concept as the Astros bench coach, that Beltran worked with Cora to hone it into its final form, and then in 2018 that same Alex Cora seems to have instituted a sign-stealing system at Boston, I would expect a *very* harsh penalty. A five-year or even lifetime ban may be appropriate.

I also imagine that Beltran just got told by the Mets front office that he is on probation, and any hint of breaking the rules will be dealt with swiftly and harshly. Brody might even get himself a uniform issued and stick in the clubhouse and dugout, just to make sure...

The thing I really want to know, is how Luhnow and Hinch keep saying they didn't know, it was people under them and the players, it wasn't them, and yet the plan involved installing a TV monitor just outside the dugout. That costs money that has to show up on a financial report somewhere, Hinch and Luhnow had to have seen the monitor, the guy watching it with trash can lid and bat at the ready, and anyone, including any and all non-uniformed Astros staff who do frequently wander about in the clubhouse and dugout, simply could not have missed it. And they sure couldn't have failed to put that together with the monitor's sudden disappearance right as the umpires were asked to go check for such a thing during a late 2017 series against the White Sox.

Something as blatant and obvious as how this was set up just cannot be happening without the manager and GM knowing about it. End of story. Hinch may get work in baseball again, but I bet Luhnow doesn't...

-Doug

Hinch reportedly smashed the monitor twice, so he was well aware. But he didn’t put an end to it.

And who is to say he did not just smash the monitor on days his team did not hit well, out of frustration ?

 

[Jack Lantern]

 

[Castor76]

Another thing that hasn't really been brought up too much is the players, mainly the hitters, had to be complicit with what happened. While I sort of get MLB not punishing them, probably because they have to fight the union over it, would anyone be that upset if those players were essentially shunned by the other teams?

 

[TL1961]

I think players should be punished, but I acknowledge that it would be difficult to determine with certainty which players knew, which knew and participated, and which, if any, did not know.

Players are put in the position of either going along with a cheating scheme they don't think is OK, or being the rat. Mike Fiers will be shunned by players far more than those complicit, and that's unfortunate. He was put in a terrible situation by cheaters, yet he will be the one ostracized.

**** the union. If the union is hellbent on defending players who are in the wrong - as they have done for a long time - **** them.

 

[WestCoastBearsFan]

Just another reason in an already long line of reasons to hate the city of Boston and the Red Sox. **** em both. Neither of those cheating organizations deserve their WS rings.

 

[Castor76]

I think players should be punished, but I acknowledge that it would be difficult to determine with certainty which players knew, which knew and participated, and which, if any, did not know.

Players are put in the position of either going along with a cheating scheme they don't think is OK, or being the rat. Mike Fiers will be shunned by players far more than those complicit, and that's unfortunate. He was put in a terrible situation by cheaters, yet he will be the one ostracized.

**** the union. If the union is hellbent on defending players who are in the wrong - as they have done for a long time - **** them.

They should all just be glad Mountain Landis is gone. I could see them bringing in every player on the team that year for interviews to try to determine who knew about it. But then you ask yourself how any player couldn't have known. If they truly wanted to tell everyone that this won't be tolerated, ban the players too, even if just for a year. That alone would make the loss of draft picks next year hurt even more as they'd probably be a 50 win team with only AAA players and then they don't even benefit from the high draft pick they could get.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Cora gone.

 

[Jack Lantern]

Cora gone.

Beltran next?

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Beltran next?

I’d bet against that one, actually.


EDIT: fat fingers

 

[Castor76]

As the song goes, let the bodies hit the floor.

 

[CubsFaninMN]

Aaaand... bye bye, Cora.

-Doug

 

[Parade_Rain]

why are they still recognized as the 2017 world series champs?

Because this isn't the NCAA where you vacate wins worthlessly.

 

[Jack Lantern]

Astros are just going to always have that "cheater" label is all.

Like Buster Olney had a baseball column the other day ranking top 2nd baseman in MLB and had Jose Altuve #2. Let's just say social media exploded, lol.

Then you have guys like CC Sabathia coming out...

Sabathia says Yankees were 'cheated' out of title

CC Sabathia said the Yankees, who lost to the Astros in seven games in the 2017 ALCS, were potentially cheated out of a title.

www.espn.com

New York went 0-4 at Minute Maid Park, where the Astros were found to have used a monitor displaying the center-field camera feed throughout the 2017 season.

CC Sabathia, the longtime Yankees pitcher who started Game 7 of that series, isn't taking what the Astros did lightly.

"It's weird, like it changes all the time," Sabathia said during an appearance on Showtime's "Inside the NFL" on Tuesday night. "When I first heard it, I was upset, and then as investigations went on ... I was like, well, we can't go back and play the games. ... But as more information started to come out, I'm like, we played a seven-game series in 2017, ALCS, and we lost really on kind of like one pitch.

"As everything's been coming out and the more facts that we get, it's getting frustrating, man, to sit here and know that late in my career I could've had a title, maybe '17 or maybe '18. But we got cheated out of a team kind of doing something that's not within the rules of the game."