Chicago Bulls calling about Demarcus Cousins?

[Enasic]

until fred actually coaches boogie I don't see how on earth you can make a statement like that. in reality we all have no clue how fred would handle boogie. you seem to think that because fred is "laid back" that means itll be better, but there is no actual facts to base that off of. couldn't his laid back nature enable boogies continued issues? exactly, we don't know because the two of them have never worked together! so ill base my judgment off of how boogie has acted throughout his career to this point, which is pretty shitty

Fair enough...but I doubt he could have a worse relationship with Fred than he does Karl.

 

[knoxville7]

Fair enough...but I doubt he could have a worse relationship with Fred than he does Karl.

maybe so...I just wont blame karl when its clearly boogie that acts like an idiot

 

[The Hawk]

Aren't you the guy that wanted Rondo last year? Big fan of Rodman's ain't you? Change of scenery can be good for some players. Demarcus Cousins is one of the best in the league, a premier big man. Like QB in the NFL, rare to have one of those. Now, two of them just came in the league in the draft this year, pretty good....but there is a bit of a drought when it comes to franchise big men.

For those who speak of Hoiberg's offense being a hindrance, the Kings are first in the league in pace and third in scoring. He gives you 25ppg and 11 rebs. I don't see what the problem is on that front.

Yeah, I suggested Rondo last season. It pretty much was a cry for anyone good that can play the point. And as for Rodman, I was a huge Rodman fan but look at the two coaches in which he thrived with, Daley and Jackson, two of the best in NBA history. I just think that when you have guys like Cousins, you'd better have a no nonsense head coach along with existing leadership among the other players on the team. I am just not sure, they have it with Freddie. Maybe he wil prove himself to be a great coach. Maybe he'd get run over by Cousins. No one knows.

Sacramento, I think, is in a fairly weak position in that apparently Karl and Cousins do not like each other so that is a negative I think in any effort on their part to trade him wince their trade partners know that. But my premise is that the Bulls do not need another big player. I think their problem is that they do not have a balanced team let alone the personnel to play a fast paced game and Cousins is not going to help with that.

Yesterday's game was the best game that they had in awhile offensively but it also showed their weakness at SF and SG other than Butler. That should be where their efforts should be spent in improving the team. I don't know who is or will be available but with Noah, Gasol, Gibson, and Portis all being healthy and playing pretty good, they should have someone wiling and able to trade with them for some SF and SG who could help balance out their team.

 

[houheffna]

Yeah, I suggested Rondo last season. It pretty much was a cry for anyone good that can play the point. And as for Rodman, I was a huge Rodman fan but look at the two coaches in which he thrived with, Daley and Jackson, two of the best in NBA history. I just think that when you have guys like Cousins, you'd better have a no nonsense head coach along with existing leadership among the other players on the team. I am just not sure, they have it with Freddie. Maybe he wil prove himself to be a great coach. Maybe he'd get run over by Cousins. No one knows.

Sacramento, I think, is in a fairly weak position in that apparently Karl and Cousins do not like each other so that is a negative I think in any effort on their part to trade him wince their trade partners know that. But my premise is that the Bulls do not need another big player. I think their problem is that they do not have a balanced team let alone the personnel to play a fast paced game and Cousins is not going to help with that.

Yesterday's game was the best game that they had in awhile offensively but it also showed their weakness at SF and SG other than Butler. That should be where their efforts should be spent in improving the team. I don't know who is or will be available but with Noah, Gasol, Gibson, and Portis all being healthy and playing pretty good, they should have someone wiling and able to trade with them for some SF and SG who could help balance out their team.

You trade away Noah, Gasol, Gibson, etc....and you get a wing player...that's balance? I don't think so. He would be the best player on the team. Period. Don't blame GarPax for doing nothing and then balk at rumors that they are interested in one of the league's best big men.

If you are trying to recreate Golden State's model of success. You should probably stop now. Harrison Barnes isn't going to help you as much as Cousins would. Rose, Butler, have enough talent to play off of a guy like Cousins...and still play with a high level of motion. Cousins is not immobile. He is quick has great hands and is better at passing than advertised. You can run a motion offense around the guy, like Wilt Chamberlain did at one time...Cousins would do very well in that setup.

 

[Enasic]

The thing I love about Cousins is he bullies you inside. We don't have a player like that. Taj tries to, but he's just not very good. Cousins is a tough player that can also score inside and out. We don't have anyone like that.

 

[Benchmob757]

In my opinion cousins is the best center in the league and idk how many fan bases would say, "eh but he doesn't fit the offense," or some other bull. Dude can flat out ball, you try to get him because other than Butler, all the other players are expendable.


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[Enasic]

I'd probably take Drummond over cousins but yeah, Demarcus is up there. Completely agree with everything else you said.

 

[PolarBear]

The fact that you would take Andre Drummond over Demarcus Cousins is laughable. Straight up hysterical. Drummond has literally no jump shot or ability to hit a free throw nor does he have a very good back to the back basket game. He is a great rebounder and he is a great athlete but he is no where near the player Cousins is.

 

[Enasic]

The fact that you would take Andre Drummond over Demarcus Cousins is laughable. Straight up hysterical. Drummond has literally no jump shot or ability to hit a free throw nor does he have a very good back to the back basket game. He is a great rebounder and he is a great athlete but he is no where near the player Cousins is.

I have no problem with people taking cousins over Drummond but Andre is a better character guy, and absolutely dominates defensively and on the boards. I think Andre can still improve offensively, although he'll never be very good on that end. Whereas cousins I think has maxed out.

 

[Enasic]

Breaking it down further:

Andre Drummond:

Age: 22
PPG: 18
RPG: 16
STL: 2
BLK: 1.4
eFG% 52
PER: 23
TS% 50
WS/48: .167

DeMarcus Cousins:

Age: 25
PPG: 25
RPG: 11
STL: 1
BLK: 1.2
eFG% 45
PER: 22
TS% 52
WS/48: .126

It's not remotely laughable as you say. Like I said, I have no problem with people choosing Cousins. Based on age, defense/rebounding, and very similar, sometimes better advanced metrics, I'd probably lean towards Drummond. It's close. Andre's free throw shooting is definitely very concerning.

 

[PolarBear]

That FG% is skewed. Andre Drummond scores a heck of a lot more points on alley oops and shots around the bucket. Cousins scores his points from everywhere and is a go to guy.

 

[Enasic]

That FG% is skewed. Andre Drummond scores a heck of a lot more points on alley oops and shots around the bucket. Cousins scores his points from everywhere and is a go to guy.

Cousins has a more well rounded offensive game for sure. Overall effectiveness and impact on the game is similar though.

 

[The Hawk]

You trade away Noah, Gasol, Gibson, etc....and you get a wing player...that's balance? I don't think so. He would be the best player on the team. Period. Don't blame GarPax for doing nothing and then balk at rumors that they are interested in one of the league's best big men.

If you are trying to recreate Golden State's model of success. You should probably stop now. Harrison Barnes isn't going to help you as much as Cousins would. Rose, Butler, have enough talent to play off of a guy like Cousins...and still play with a high level of motion. Cousins is not immobile. He is quick has great hands and is better at passing than advertised. You can run a motion offense around the guy, like Wilt Chamberlain did at one time...Cousins would do very well in that setup.

Where did I say anything about trading away all of our bigs and go small? I believe that I said that other than Butler, they do not have a viable SF or SG and they need to balance out the team. I have been very consistent with that opinion I believe.

Another thing, Sacramento will not just do a big for big swap for Cousins. He's a top 10-12 player in the league. They would probably want Butler in return along with one of our bigs and I would never do that, period.

 

[Raskolnikov]

The only players I could see them interested in would be Mitotic, McDermot, and Noah.

Noah because passing is something Karl values. Noah doesn't have much value to anyone but perhaps that is his best fit and would be a throw in to any team moving a center and wanting a piece like Noah that could hold down the fort at the 5 in the immediate.

I'm sure that Niko would be part of the package to move a player of that caliber. For my money, I wouldn't move an ideal stretch 4 still developing. Niko has shooting talent, so this is just the beginning of his game.

You can't move Butler/Niko for a ?. I am in the camp that Rose is going to have more value to us than anyone else. If we can't get anything for him with future value, than we might as well hold out in the hope of his ability.

A rose trade would actually look like us paying somebody to take him. Not only would we not get anything of value, but we would have to throw in McDermott, picks, and something to bribe them into taking his salary.

I don't really think I want to pay Cousins value for the man. I don't trust him. It could go south for reasons beyond his feet, or knees, or a number of things that can derail a big man. I don't like a risk where he destroys you franchise from suspension, or personality cancer.

No thanks.

 

[PolarBear]

Niko should not be untouchable. I really don't think Mirotic is going to develop into much more than what he already is. He is a slightly better rebounding Danilo Gallinari.

Move whoever needs to be moved other than Butler to get it done.

 

[Axl Rose]

nobody on this roster should be untouchable

even Butler for the right piece *cough Anthony Davis cough* can be had

seen somebody on realgm say Portis is untouchable...like really?

 

[FireFox]

Getting Cousins would be great. Otherwise I would just blow up the team.

 

[knoxville7]

The only players I could see them interested in would be Mitotic, McDermot, and Noah.

Noah because passing is something Karl values. Noah doesn't have much value to anyone but perhaps that is his best fit and would be a throw in to any team moving a center and wanting a piece like Noah that could hold down the fort at the 5 in the immediate.

I'm sure that Niko would be part of the package to move a player of that caliber. For my money, I wouldn't move an ideal stretch 4 still developing. Niko has shooting talent, so this is just the beginning of his game.
You can't move Butler/Niko for a ?. I am in the camp that Rose is going to have more value to us than anyone else. If we can't get anything for him with future value, than we might as well hold out in the hope of his ability.

A rose trade would actually look like us paying somebody to take him. Not only would we not get anything of value, but we would have to throw in McDermott, picks, and something to bribe them into taking his salary.

I don't really think I want to pay Cousins value for the man. I don't trust him. It could go south for reasons beyond his feet, or knees, or a number of things that can derail a big man. I don't like a risk where he destroys you franchise from suspension, or personality cancer.

No thanks.

he isn't your typical 2nd year pro that you can count on to develop a lot more. he is already 24 and turns 25 in the middle of this season and has been playing pro ball in Europe since he was like 17 or something I believe. he is more likely to be who he is at this point than progress into the next dirk or something IMO

 

[The Hawk]

he isn't your typical 2nd year pro that you can count on to develop a lot more. he is already 24 and turns 25 in the middle of this season and has been playing pro ball in Europe since he was like 17 or something I believe. he is more likely to be who he is at this point than progress into the next dirk or something IMO

I don't see it that way. He has great court awareness which can and will develop. Right now he is in a shooting slump but he will score and score in bunches if Freddie uses him right. Dirk is a HOFer but I believe that Mirotic can be better than Toni K. and that is good enough for me. 25 is still very young when you consider that many many pros come to the NBA at 21 or 22 and sit the bench for awhile. Look at Gibson. Look at Butler. Very few enter at 19 or 20 and start immediately. Very very few.

 

[Axl Rose]

take Niko and Butler out of the picture and you'd be lucky to get a stale bag of Cool Ranch Doritos for anybody on this roster....no team is lining up to give us their all-star player for Mr. 3 points in 38 minutes aka Tony Snell

piggy backing off what Hue said: you can't criticize the FO for not doing anything then when they look to do something you start making guidelines and restrictions on who they can trade that leave them with nothing to trade

just say you want them to totally fleece a team before you'd be happy with something they do