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Did the wife hoot her husband and then herself after the citizen with the gun showed himself, because he had a gun? Would the melee have continued?</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="jakobeast" data-cid="231954" data-time="1402354679">
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Did the wife hoot her husband and then herself after the citizen with the gun showed himself, because he had a gun? Would the melee have continued?</p>
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Who knows</p>
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Some of these crazy shooters probably want civilians to present guns and make it the event more violent and thrive on it. It really is too bad that this civilian wasn't able to take down these assholes and lost his own life in the meantime. Again with me my theory is if you are a twat and dedicated to go out and shoot some cops or go on a shooting spree then no civilian is going to stop that mind set by simply presenting a gun. If that civilian can actually shoot and stop the twat then that is great but rarely do I ever hear of that ever happening. Usually in cases like this the shooters either gets taken down by a trained personal or they take their own lives at the end of it all. Don't think any of these shooters give two shits about their own lives at the moment of going completely off their rockers. </p>
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And I don't disagree with the theory that a good person with a gun can stop a bad person with a gun. My problem is sometimes "good people" doesn't equate to "intelligent people". I'm all for proper training if you want to be "the hero with a gun". Unless you have training I don't want any **** trying to be a superhero around me. And target practice isn't "training".</p>
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Did the wife hoot her husband and then herself after the citizen with the gun showed himself, because he had a gun? Would the melee have continued?</p>
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Who knows</p>
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Some of these crazy shooters probably want civilians to present guns and make it the event more violent and thrive on it. It really is too bad that this civilian wasn't able to take down these assholes and lost his own life in the meantime. Again with me my theory is if you are a twat and dedicated to go out and shoot some cops or go on a shooting spree then no civilian is going to stop that mind set by simply presenting a gun. If that civilian can actually shoot and stop the twat then that is great but rarely do I ever hear of that ever happening. Usually in cases like this the shooters either gets taken down by a trained personal or they take their own lives at the end of it all. Don't think any of these shooters give two shits about their own lives at the moment of going completely off their rockers. </p>
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And I don't disagree with the theory that a good person with a gun can stop a bad person with a gun. My problem is sometimes "good people" doesn't equate to "intelligent people". I'm all for proper training if you want to be "the hero with a gun". Unless you have training I don't want any **** trying to be a superhero around me. And target practice isn't "training".</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="jakobeast" data-cid="231954" data-time="1402354679">
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Did the wife hoot her husband and then herself after the citizen with the gun showed himself, because he had a gun? Would the melee have continued?</p>
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They killed the "good guy with the gun".</p>
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Did the wife hoot her husband and then herself after the citizen with the gun showed himself, because he had a gun? Would the melee have continued?</p>
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They killed the "good guy with the gun".</p>
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bad guy with a penis.</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="the hanadian dreamzues" data-cid="231955" data-time="1402356453">
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Who knows</p>
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Some of these crazy shooters probably want civilians to present guns and make it the event more violent and thrive on it. It really is too bad that this civilian wasn't able to take down these assholes and lost his own life in the meantime. Again with me my theory is if you are a twat and dedicated to go out and shoot some cops or go on a shooting spree then no civilian is going to stop that mind set by simply presenting a gun. If that civilian can actually shoot and stop the twat then that is great but rarely do I ever hear of that ever happening. Usually in cases like this the shooters either gets taken down by a trained personal or they take their own lives at the end of it all. Don't think any of these shooters give two shits about their own lives at the moment of going completely off their rockers. </p>
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And I don't disagree with the theory that a good person with a gun can stop a bad person with a gun. My problem is sometimes "good people" doesn't equate to "intelligent people". I'm all for proper training if you want to be "the hero with a gun". Unless you have training I don't want any **** trying to be a superhero around me. And target practice isn't "training".</p>
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I won't disagree about the good vs intelligent. However, in the Clackamas mall shooting, there was a fella, <span style="font-size:14px;">Nick Meli. He has a </span><span>concealed carry permit and a .22. After the shooters gun jammed, Mr. Meli drew his weapon and confronted the shooter. However, he did not shoot, as there were some bystandards too close to the shooter. He then scampered away and when he got his gun un jammed, he shot himself. I am not saying that Nick Meli ended the spree single-handedly, but I believe had he not been there or done what he did, the casualty count would have been much higher. </span></p>
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<span>I don't know about anywhere else, but in Illinois, they mandate that if you want a CC permit, you have to have training. One of my friends teaches such a class</span><span style="font-size:14px;"> and a majority of the time is spent on when and why to pull your weapon. Actually it is more when and why NOT to pull your weapon.</span></p>
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They killed the "good guy with the gun".</p>
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I am aware. It was more of a question that won't ever be answered.</p>
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Who knows</p>
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Some of these crazy shooters probably want civilians to present guns and make it the event more violent and thrive on it. It really is too bad that this civilian wasn't able to take down these assholes and lost his own life in the meantime. Again with me my theory is if you are a twat and dedicated to go out and shoot some cops or go on a shooting spree then no civilian is going to stop that mind set by simply presenting a gun. If that civilian can actually shoot and stop the twat then that is great but rarely do I ever hear of that ever happening. Usually in cases like this the shooters either gets taken down by a trained personal or they take their own lives at the end of it all. Don't think any of these shooters give two shits about their own lives at the moment of going completely off their rockers. </p>
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And I don't disagree with the theory that a good person with a gun can stop a bad person with a gun. My problem is sometimes "good people" doesn't equate to "intelligent people". I'm all for proper training if you want to be "the hero with a gun". Unless you have training I don't want any **** trying to be a superhero around me. And target practice isn't "training".</p>
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I won't disagree about the good vs intelligent. However, in the Clackamas mall shooting, there was a fella, <span style="font-size:14px;">Nick Meli. He has a </span><span>concealed carry permit and a .22. After the shooters gun jammed, Mr. Meli drew his weapon and confronted the shooter. However, he did not shoot, as there were some bystandards too close to the shooter. He then scampered away and when he got his gun un jammed, he shot himself. I am not saying that Nick Meli ended the spree single-handedly, but I believe had he not been there or done what he did, the casualty count would have been much higher. </span></p>
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<span>I don't know about anywhere else, but in Illinois, they mandate that if you want a CC permit, you have to have training. One of my friends teaches such a class</span><span style="font-size:14px;"> and a majority of the time is spent on when and why to pull your weapon. Actually it is more when and why NOT to pull your weapon.</span></p>
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They killed the "good guy with the gun".</p>
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I am aware. It was more of a question that won't ever be answered.</p>
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No...whats been reported is - after shooting the random guy, they ran to the back of the store. The cops show up and they 'barricaded' themselvey in the corner. The husband may have been wounded by the cops...and that's when she shot him a few times then ate a bullet herself
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The cops had store surveillance when they arrived, so were able to pin them in the back of the store
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I didn't know the story. And really it is because I don't want the nuts to have what they want. The notoriety.</p>
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I only know because it's pretty close to me. And I do lots of work with the city of Vegas officials and FD
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="pmxzus" data-cid="231989" data-time="1402368581">
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I only know because it's pretty close to me. And I do lots of work with the city of Vegas officials and FD</p>
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No wonder they allow you to live there.</p>
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And I thought TCD was the only townie tramp.</p>
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I only know because it's pretty close to me. And I do lots of work with the city of Vegas officials and FD</p>
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No wonder they allow you to live there.</p>
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And I thought TCD was the only townie tramp.</p>
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Yep, apparently the story goes along the lines that these whackos were told to leave the Bundy area because they were a bit too radical for the rest.</p>
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One of the guys I listen to on the radio called it. Back when the 'militia' groups were coming to the defense of Bundy, Andrew Wilkow said on his radio program repeatedly that it was NOT a good idea. He said there is no "membership card" or anything legitimizing a militia and that they were not all created equally. His suggestion was to have them all leave before some nutjob opens fire on the BLM and all hell breaks loose, causing death and destruction. Goes to show he knew what the hell he was talking about.</p>
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One of the guys I listen to on the radio called it. Back when the 'militia' groups were coming to the defense of Bundy, Andrew Wilkow said on his radio program repeatedly that it was NOT a good idea. He said there is no "membership card" or anything legitimizing a militia and that they were not all created equally. His suggestion was to have them all leave before some nutjob opens fire on the BLM and all hell breaks loose, causing death and destruction. Goes to show he knew what the hell he was talking about.</p>
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watched some of his manifestos on youtube. there is an hour of my life i cant get back. par usuall all i hear is a guy paranoid and riddled in fear that the government is watching his every step. in his case they are since hes under house arrest and has a blackbox on his phone. so here is a good idea while you know you are being watched.... go on youtube and make a bunch of fucking videos create a facebook page while you are at it and give big brother everything else he needs. self serving your own fears is a great way to approach things.</p>
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which leads me to something. if you fear that the government is watching everything you do like this twat did.....one would think that they would be watching your youtube vids and facebook posts and acting on them quickly. im no psychologist but what i see in the videos is one fucked up dude pretty much playing into every stereotype of a guy thats going to crack and go out and kill some people. so either the government actually isnt wacthing you 24 hours a day as crazy ******* like this tend to believe or they are doing a really shitty job at it. this guy shouldnt have been in house arrest he should have been in a mental hospital getting help to fight through his paranoias and fears. </p>
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i could write a ten page essay on what i saw in his videos but nobody wants that. at the end of the day just going off of what i saw and how it fits into my world bubble....the guy needed some serious help and probably didnt get the proper help for whatever reasons those were. i will say this...im not a big fan of house arrests in these situations i think that alone can **** a person up even more. lots of tones in these vids where it appears that house arrest really got into this guys head. when dealing with an anti government individual its probably safe to say that leaving them alone wired up in house arrest probably isnt the best answer to the problem. thats just adding fuel to a fire.</p>
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which leads me to something. if you fear that the government is watching everything you do like this twat did.....one would think that they would be watching your youtube vids and facebook posts and acting on them quickly. im no psychologist but what i see in the videos is one fucked up dude pretty much playing into every stereotype of a guy thats going to crack and go out and kill some people. so either the government actually isnt wacthing you 24 hours a day as crazy ******* like this tend to believe or they are doing a really shitty job at it. this guy shouldnt have been in house arrest he should have been in a mental hospital getting help to fight through his paranoias and fears. </p>
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i could write a ten page essay on what i saw in his videos but nobody wants that. at the end of the day just going off of what i saw and how it fits into my world bubble....the guy needed some serious help and probably didnt get the proper help for whatever reasons those were. i will say this...im not a big fan of house arrests in these situations i think that alone can **** a person up even more. lots of tones in these vids where it appears that house arrest really got into this guys head. when dealing with an anti government individual its probably safe to say that leaving them alone wired up in house arrest probably isnt the best answer to the problem. thats just adding fuel to a fire.</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="the hanadian dreamzues" data-cid="232027" data-time="1402432050">
watched some of his manifestos on youtube. there is an hour of my life i cant get back. par usuall all i hear is a guy paranoid and riddled in fear that the government is watching his every step. in his case they are since hes under house arrest and has a blackbox on his phone. so here is a good idea while you know you are being watched.... go on youtube and make a bunch of fucking videos create a facebook page while you are at it and give big brother everything else he needs. self serving your own fears is a great way to approach things.
which leads me to something. if you fear that the government is watching everything you do like this twat did.....one would think that they would be watching your youtube vids and facebook posts and acting on them quickly. im no psychologist but what i see in the videos is one fucked up dude pretty much playing into every stereotype of a guy thats going to crack and go out and kill some people. so either the government actually isnt wacthing you 24 hours a day as crazy ******* like this tend to believe or they are doing a really shitty job at it. this guy shouldnt have been in house arrest he should have been in a mental hospital getting help to fight through his paranoias and fears.
i could write a ten page essay on what i saw in his videos but nobody wants that. at the end of the day just going off of what i saw and how it fits into my world bubble....the guy needed some serious help and probably didnt get the proper help for whatever reasons those were. i will say this...im not a big fan of house arrests in these situations i think that alone can **** a person up even more. lots of tones in these vids where it appears that house arrest really got into this guys head. when dealing with an anti government individual its probably safe to say that leaving them alone wired up in house arrest probably isnt the best answer to the problem. thats just adding fuel to a fire.</p></blockquote>
This sure looks like something you would write Randy... but then I realized you would be late to your ride along with Mr. L
watched some of his manifestos on youtube. there is an hour of my life i cant get back. par usuall all i hear is a guy paranoid and riddled in fear that the government is watching his every step. in his case they are since hes under house arrest and has a blackbox on his phone. so here is a good idea while you know you are being watched.... go on youtube and make a bunch of fucking videos create a facebook page while you are at it and give big brother everything else he needs. self serving your own fears is a great way to approach things.
which leads me to something. if you fear that the government is watching everything you do like this twat did.....one would think that they would be watching your youtube vids and facebook posts and acting on them quickly. im no psychologist but what i see in the videos is one fucked up dude pretty much playing into every stereotype of a guy thats going to crack and go out and kill some people. so either the government actually isnt wacthing you 24 hours a day as crazy ******* like this tend to believe or they are doing a really shitty job at it. this guy shouldnt have been in house arrest he should have been in a mental hospital getting help to fight through his paranoias and fears.
i could write a ten page essay on what i saw in his videos but nobody wants that. at the end of the day just going off of what i saw and how it fits into my world bubble....the guy needed some serious help and probably didnt get the proper help for whatever reasons those were. i will say this...im not a big fan of house arrests in these situations i think that alone can **** a person up even more. lots of tones in these vids where it appears that house arrest really got into this guys head. when dealing with an anti government individual its probably safe to say that leaving them alone wired up in house arrest probably isnt the best answer to the problem. thats just adding fuel to a fire.</p></blockquote>
This sure looks like something you would write Randy... but then I realized you would be late to your ride along with Mr. L
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TCD, I would guess it was your second reason: They aren't doing a very good job of it. Yes, they were probably watching this guy, just as they were 'watching' some of the 9/11 terrorists or others on 'watch' or 'no fly' lists that end up killing people.</p>
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Beside the fact that I don't trust our government, what I really fear is their incompetence.</p>
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Beside the fact that I don't trust our government, what I really fear is their incompetence.</p>
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They walked 4miles with the guns in a shopping cart to the first location. You'd think along the way something would change their mind
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="jakobeast" data-cid="231973" data-time="1402364692">
I won't disagree about the good vs intelligent. However, in the Clackamas mall shooting, there was a fella, <span style="font-size:14px;">Nick Meli. He has a </span>concealed carry permit and a .22. After the shooters gun jammed, Mr. Meli drew his weapon and confronted the shooter. However, he did not shoot, as there were some bystandards too close to the shooter. He then scampered away and when he got his gun un jammed, he shot himself. I am not saying that Nick Meli ended the spree single-handedly, but I believe had he not been there or done what he did, the casualty count would have been much higher.
I don't know about anywhere else, but in Illinois, they mandate that if you want a CC permit, you have to have training. One of my friends teaches such a class<span style="font-size:14px;"> and a majority of the time is spent on when and why to pull your weapon. Actually it is more when and why NOT to pull your weapon.</span>
I am aware. It was more of a question that won't ever be answered.</p></blockquote>
The problem is that situation with that guy isn't what usually happens. It usually ends up like this one did. Gun training is one thing, doing something like stopping an armed robber/wacko is something else entirely. All that usually happens is putting yourself and, worse, others in even more danger.
I won't disagree about the good vs intelligent. However, in the Clackamas mall shooting, there was a fella, <span style="font-size:14px;">Nick Meli. He has a </span>concealed carry permit and a .22. After the shooters gun jammed, Mr. Meli drew his weapon and confronted the shooter. However, he did not shoot, as there were some bystandards too close to the shooter. He then scampered away and when he got his gun un jammed, he shot himself. I am not saying that Nick Meli ended the spree single-handedly, but I believe had he not been there or done what he did, the casualty count would have been much higher.
I don't know about anywhere else, but in Illinois, they mandate that if you want a CC permit, you have to have training. One of my friends teaches such a class<span style="font-size:14px;"> and a majority of the time is spent on when and why to pull your weapon. Actually it is more when and why NOT to pull your weapon.</span>
I am aware. It was more of a question that won't ever be answered.</p></blockquote>
The problem is that situation with that guy isn't what usually happens. It usually ends up like this one did. Gun training is one thing, doing something like stopping an armed robber/wacko is something else entirely. All that usually happens is putting yourself and, worse, others in even more danger.
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The guy with the CC got killed because he walked past the wife not knowing she was with the husband, she shot him in the back once he passed her. Had nothing to do with lack of gun training, but more to do with unaware. Guy had good/right intentions...just was not aware.</p>
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The jag off husband also had a backpack of grenades and explosives thankfully he never got to shoot off. Also, he was killed by the cops, not the wife like first thought</p>
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The jag off husband also had a backpack of grenades and explosives thankfully he never got to shoot off. Also, he was killed by the cops, not the wife like first thought</p>
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The problem is that situation with that guy isn't what usually happens. It usually ends up like this one did. Gun training is one thing, doing something like stopping an armed robber/wacko is something else entirely. All that usually happens is putting yourself and, worse, others in even more danger.</p>
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And the statistics proving this theory are where?</p>
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The problem is that situation with that guy isn't what usually happens. It usually ends up like this one did. Gun training is one thing, doing something like stopping an armed robber/wacko is something else entirely. All that usually happens is putting yourself and, worse, others in even more danger.</p>
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And the statistics proving this theory are where?</p>
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