Cubs acquire Isaac Paredes

[Hawkeye OG]

https://twitter.com/sahadevsharma/status/1817634579001250110?s=46&t=aotZJUeq_2hKJ3x7scCq3g

MoreLLLL is gone and they got a 3B

Thoughts

 

[TL1961]

https://twitter.com/sahadevsharma/status/1817634579001250110?s=46&t=aotZJUeq_2hKJ3x7scCq3g

MoreLLLL is gone and they got a 3B

Thoughts

On mlb.com they said two prospects were also going. Neither side has confirmed that. Will be interesting to see who but I doubt that they’re real high prospects. Or at least will be dealt from a position of some depth.

I am betting PCA is not one of them.

 

[CSF77]

Chicago Cubs trade Christopher Morel to Rays for Isaac Paredes!

Trade deadline shocker! Cubs trade Christopher Morel and two prospects (pitchers Hunter Bigge and Ty Johnson) to the Rays for Isaac Paredes.Follow & Subscrib...

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Mmm Jed was on that wavelength. #happyasfuck

 

[CSF77]

Biggie. Losing him will suck but getting a stable 3B is something that takes a talent payout.

 

[knoxville7]

Glad they finally got rid of Morel

Still wish they would have done it in the past offseason when Morel had more value and most of us here were saying to deal him because his style of hitting isn’t sustainable

 

[Szlachcic]

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[Diehardfan]

Glad they finally got rid of Morel

Still wish they would have done it in the past offseason when Morel had more value and most of us here were saying to deal him because his style of hitting isn’t sustainable

That's always been Hoyer's problem, isn't it? He waits too long, lacks foresight. I'm surprised he got that much....then again Morel might not have been Tampa's primary target. Watch how the Rays handle Bigge....while Hoyer sits on most of his kids till they'e pushing 30. He could have had his closer a year ago in a young Mason Miller. Could've had him for a song....it'll cost a fortune to get him now. Taillon who is a goldmine, is still sitting in the Cubs dugout. Anybody think he'll move him or will he wait till he comes back to earth next season?

 

[TL1961]

That's always been Hoyer's problem, isn't it? He waits too long, lacks foresight. I'm surprised he got that much....then again Morel might not have been Tampa's primary target. Watch how the Rays handle Bigge....while Hoyer sits on most of his kids till they'e pushing 30. He could have had his closer a year ago in a young Mason Miller. Could've had him for a song....it'll cost a fortune to get him now. Taillon who is a goldmine, is still sitting in the Cubs dugout. Anybody think he'll move him or will he wait till he comes back to earth next season?

Are you seriously criticizing him for not having traded Taillon yet?

 

[Diehardfan]

Are you seriously criticizing him for not having traded Taillon yet?

yes....are you serious? He's got another start before the deadline. Can't up his value much more, only decrease it plus the injury factor is always there. You do remember Stroman, don't you?

 

[TL1961]

yes....are you serious? He's got another start before the deadline. Can't up his value much more, only decrease it plus the injury factor is always there. You do remember Stroman, don't you?

I remember Stroman.

And we both wish things had gone differently and that the Cubs could have traded him for something of value.

But to be fair, on June 24th, prior to the "Trey Mancini game" against the Cards in London, with the Cubs 2 games out of first (albeit under .500), Stroman was their best pitcher. From that point on, he allowed a run an inning.

Was Jed to trade him on June 24th? Waving the white flag a month before the deadline?

Or was he negligent not trading him during his poor July when his value tanked?

Sometimes it's not a complete failure by the GM. Did Oakland's GM get anything for his closer at this year's deadline? The guy who got injured? Was he supposed to see that in his crystal ball?

Now, with Taillon.....I will agree that if the Cubs let him make his start hours before the deadline they're taking an unnecessary risk. But I would not indict the GM had Taillon gotten hurt on the 4th of July.

 

[Diehardfan]

I remember Stroman.

And we both wish things had gone differently and that the Cubs could have traded him for something of value.

But to be fair, on June 24th, prior to the "Trey Mancini game" against the Cards in London, with the Cubs 2 games out of first (albeit under .500), Stroman was their best pitcher. From that point on, he allowed a run an inning.

Was Jed to trade him on June 24th? Waving the white flag a month before the deadline?

Or was he negligent not trading him during his poor July when his value tanked?

Sometimes it's not a complete failure by the GM. Did Oakland's GM get anything for his closer at this year's deadline? The guy who got injured? Was he supposed to see that in his crystal ball?

Now, with Taillon.....I will agree that if the Cubs let him make his start hours before the deadline they're taking an unnecessary risk. But I would not indict the GM had Taillon gotten hurt on the 4th of July.

What are you living in Fantasyland? You asked if I was criticizing GM Dumbfuck for not trading Taillion yet...I was, because he has a start tomorrow, I think. A useless start as far as the Cubs are concerned. He should've been gone days ago....starting pitching is in short supply and a team would have some control of his doable contract. A goldmine for sure but Hoyer is dragging his ass....AGAIN. I don't give a **** if Stroman got hurt on New Years Eve...he still got hurt. The Cubs were NOT gonna resign him and was pitching WAY over his head....he should have been moved and wasn't.

I brought up Miller on this forum over a year ago....THAT is when a progressive GM would go after a kid like that. At that point, he wasn't even a relief pitcher but anyone with half a brain could see his potential. I wasn't even proposing the Cubs go after him now, injury or not.
A year or so ago....HELL yeah.

 

[CSF77]

It is a bit of a mixed signal making that deal. It tells me that Jed must have been told that he is out of he keeps fucking around. So I agree with Sam on locked on.

I don't agree with the high upside low performance vibe. Morel has been a hack from day one. Max effort little control of that effort.

The 2 pitchers seem to be far more intriguing in that deal. The toss in held a strong H/9 and SO/9. So they were looking at a off the radar high upside talent.

All said and done. I am still good with this deal even losing Biggie. A legit contender should pay for a established closer and then use cost effective inhouse talent to fill in other roles

Over paying for a set up was a poor decision and Jed should have gone big at closer then use his inhouse to fill in.

As far as Taillon is concerned. A team would be buying 2+ years. So Jed has leverage right now as he is not forced to do anything.

Now I am not going to have much of a opinion on this other than seeing Brown and Wicks on the 60 day and Horton still in Azl rehabbing.

I would lean towards no sale right now as Jed has nothing in the bank. So that forces his hand to retain.

 

[TL1961]

What are you living in Fantasyland? You asked if I was criticizing GM Dumbfuck for not trading Taillion yet...I was, because he has a start tomorrow, I think. A useless start as far as the Cubs are concerned. He should've been gone days ago....starting pitching is in short supply and a team would have some control of his doable contract. A goldmine for sure but Hoyer is dragging his ass....AGAIN. I don't give a **** if Stroman got hurt on New Years Eve...he still got hurt. The Cubs were NOT gonna resign him and was pitching WAY over his head....he should have been moved and wasn't.

I brought up Miller on this forum over a year ago....THAT is when a progressive GM would go after a kid like that. At that point, he wasn't even a relief pitcher but anyone with half a brain could see his potential. I wasn't even proposing the Cubs go after him now, injury or not.
A year or so ago....HELL yeah.

I wasn't referring to the Cubs being involved with Miller. I was referring to the fact you can't expect trades in April or May to avoid injury in July.

You've got such a hard on for Jed you don't see things objectively and are ready to fight anyone who doesn't think every move Jed makes is wrong.

I agree with you on much of it. You were on him for the bullpen from early in the season, and you were dead right. The pen cost them a ton of games.

And as one of the local sports shows pointed out, the Cubs have the 7th highest payroll, but no real star and no closer. So, yes, of course there is plenty of legit criticism.

But for pete's sake, claiming a GM should trade his best pitcher in June is silly.

I agree that Taillon's start tomorrow means nothing. I expect they won't start him, but as of now he's listed as the starter vs Cincy. I would skip the start if I were making the decision, and I assumed they would do that. Maybe not. Maybe he starts. Maybe he doesn't get traded. I think that would be a mistake and would be here to agree with anyone saying so.

But every year the bulk of trades get made late because the buyers get into a bidding war. The GMs not selling ealry aren't all wrong.

 

[bamainatlanta]

Cubs get:
IF Isaac Paredes


Rays get:
IF Christopher Morel
RHP Hunter Bigge
RHP Ty Johnson

Cubs grade: B+

In a nutshell, the Cubs traded two prospects to obtain whatever the upgrade is in turning Morel's roster spot into the one now occupied by Paredes. They will also pay more in salary, as Morel is still in the pre-arbitration phase of his service time. Paredes, whose arbitration-fueled salary this season is $3.4 million, has three more seasons of arbitration eligibility remaining.

The Cubs weren't the only team to see surplus value in Paredes' profile given the prevalence of scuttlebutt around his availability over the past couple of weeks. By making this deal, for this return, the Cubs are declaring that they see Paredes as a regular over the next few years, presumably at third base, on a team that is angling for contention in 2025 and beyond.

Both Paredes and Morel are 25 years old with similar career slash lines: .234/.334/.438 for the former and .228/.308/.440 for the latter. Morel has shown improvement in his plate discipline indicators this year, though it has done him little good for the bottom line thanks to a .221 BABIP. Chicago has also struggled to figure out where to play him defensively, a problem that now belongs to Tampa Bay.

Paredes has demonstrated more contact ability and plate discipline, leading to a more consistent performance. He doesn't have Morel's raw pop off the bat, but he hit 31 homers last year -- and that will play just fine. Paredes is no Gold Glover, either, but he will be an upgrade at the hot corner for Chicago (at least compared to any continuing efforts to deploy Morel there) and will have the luxury of playing next to the Cubs' fine middle infield combo of Nico Hoerner and Dansby Swanson.

Trading with the Rays is always fraught, but this is a nice swap for Chicago in what sure seems like a trade market that favors off-loading teams. Paredes gives the Cubs everyday stability for three-plus seasons at, for now, team-friendly rates, and he improves them both now and going forward.

Rays grade: C+

I cringe at giving the Rays a modest grade because, well, they are the Rays. It's just that the valuation on this deal, based on the inputs I have, are heavily tilted in Chicago's favor. So much so that it makes you think the Rays could have done better for Paredes with a different trade partner.

And yet ... they have different inputs in their trade evaluation machinery, and I'd trust theirs way more than mine. Simply put, the Rays almost certainly see something in Morel that they believe will unlock his power more consistently, which could lead to prodigious home run totals in his near future. Also, the Rays never do anything to harm their consistently elite run prevention, so you know they have a plan for Morel in that regard, too.

As for the prospects, ESPN's Kiley McDaniel notes that Bigge, a 12th-round draft pick out of Harvard, has seen a velocity jump this year from 94.5 mph to 97.8. His command is "fringy," but the uptick in stuff has turned him into a real prospect. And, as McDaniel suggests, the Rays have almost certainly pinpointed him as their next repertoire optimization project.

Johnson is a starter whose velocity has ticked up this year as well, which in turn has boosted the quality of his slider. He's still a work in progress, but McDaniel suggests that the Rays have snagged Johnson just as he may be on the verge of cracking some prospect lists. -- Doolittle

 

[Diehardfan]

I wasn't referring to the Cubs being involved with Miller. I was referring to the fact you can't expect trades in April or May to avoid injury in July.

You've got such a hard on for Jed you don't see things objectively and are ready to fight anyone who doesn't think every move Jed makes is wrong.

I agree with you on much of it. You were on him for the bullpen from early in the season, and you were dead right. The pen cost them a ton of games.

And as one of the local sports shows pointed out, the Cubs have the 7th highest payroll, but no real star and no closer. So, yes, of course there is plenty of legit criticism.

But for pete's sake, claiming a GM should trade his best pitcher in June is silly.

I agree that Taillon's start tomorrow means nothing. I expect they won't start him, but as of now he's listed as the starter vs Cincy. I would skip the start if I were making the decision, and I assumed they would do that. Maybe not. Maybe he starts. Maybe he doesn't get traded. I think that would be a mistake and would be here to agree with anyone saying so.

But every year the bulk of trades get made late because the buyers get into a bidding war. The GMs not selling ealry aren't all wrong.

Never once said April or May.....I believe Stroman got hurt in early July but he was beginning to slide back to his normal self a couple of starts before that. I kept saying to myself, Hoyer is gonna **** around and get nothing for him and that's exactly what happened. The guy can't see beyond the nose on his face. The Miller thing is disturbing because I'm just a fucking fan and I immediately pegged him as closer material. How can a dumbass fan see this shit and a big money MLB GM can't? Way, WAY too many mistakes to still have a ML job........

 

[TL1961]

I wouldn't cry any tears if I heard the Cubs replaced him with someone else, believe me.

I just think it's tough to criticize him for not punting the 2023 season in June.

I don't want to see forever rebuilds but that beats trying to be mediocre forever. Trade Taillon, and another guy or two. But somebody has to be prepared to make moves in the offseason. If that's not Jed, get someone else.

 

[Probie2429]

There are probably a few teams on Taillon so it benefits the Cubs to wait but it wouldn’t surprise me if he was a late scratch before his start tomorrow.

 

[JP Hochbaum]

Glad they finally got rid of Morel

Still wish they would have done it in the past offseason when Morel had more value and most of us here were saying to deal him because his style of hitting isn’t sustainable

Potential with his ceiling is just hard to trade away. His advanced stats say he should be hitting 280/350/500, but for some reason his bat speed and exit velocity just isn't resulting in hits. At this time they know it isn't just bad luck, it has something to do with being able to pitch to him and telegraph where he will hit it. Hard to really self scout that. NOt trying to excuse Jed, but if I were in his shoes I would have had a very hard time trading him, even now.

 

[Probie2429]

I wouldn't cry any tears if I heard the Cubs replaced him with someone else, believe me.

I just think it's tough to criticize him for not punting the 2023 season in June.

I don't want to see forever rebuilds but that beats trying to be mediocre forever. Trade Taillon, and another guy or two. But somebody has to be prepared to make moves in the offseason. If that's not Jed, get someone else.

Making moves will just make matters worse. The player development has failed completely. It’s been 8 years since the WS and how many homegrown players are on the roster that were drafted after 2016?

 

[JP Hochbaum]

Making moves will just make matters worse. The player development has failed completely. It’s been 8 years since the WS and how many homegrown players are on the roster that were drafted after 2016?

I think we need to separate development under THeo/Jed and Jed/Carter. Under Theo we solely relied on high draft picks to carry us, and it worked for about 3 years, maybe 4. That tandem didn't develop much outside of their top picks. And was horrific at developing pitching, which ruined how they built the team.

This tenure seems to be developing players better, especially pitching. Most of the hitters obtained in this tenure are still not in the majors yet, so the jury is still out there.