Cubs Draft Standings

[Boobaby1]

shields will be the 3rd ranked FA per mlbtr. short and moderate? I want an overnight fed ex delivery of whatever drugs you do.


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Well I do a lot of good drugs, but if you were GM, and you laid out a 5 year deal to a pitcher that was going to be 33 before the start of next season, then you should be shot.

Sorry I have to explain short to moderate contracts to everybody. Did I say one year?

The Cubs can lay out a good chunk on a shorter deal than lets say........Lester and Scherzer who will command no less than a 5 year deal, and more likely 6.

Does that splain it a little better Lucy? :clap:

 

[brett05]

Shields will get 4 years min

 

[beckdawg]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/08/2014-free-agent-power-rankings-2.html

Garza rated in at #4 overall on mlbtrade rumors last season. That didn't lead to a lucrative deal for him. I'm not going to pretend to understand FA spending but what I do know is there are haves and have nots in FA. Garza appeared to be a have prior to the signing period and after was clearly a have not. Whether or not Shields will be a have or not is debatable. I'd argue he's a better pitcher than Garza but if interest isn't high in him the same thing that happened to Garza will happen to him.

Since 2006 these pitchers have gotten more than 4 year deals
Tanaka(age 25 7 years), Greinke(age 29 6 years), Sanchez(age 29 5 years), Ryu(age 26 6 years), Darvish(age 25 6 years), C.J. Wilson(age 31 5 years), Cliff Lee(age 32 5 years), Lackey(age 31 5 years), Sabathia(age 28 7 years), Burnett(age 32 5 years), Zito(age 29 7 years), Gil Meche(age 28 5 years), and Kei Igawa(age 27 5 years).

If we use that as a guide, you're typically talking about one big guy(Scherzer) at 6-7 years and potentially second fiddle guy at 5 years. And based off this info, you're not seeing many guys over 31 signing for 5+ years with Lee and Burnett being the two exceptions. Perhaps you can argue Shields is as good as Burnett was. He had a 4 ERA the year prior but I frankly think it was more the yankees being the yankees there and bidding against themselves. Lee doesn't seem like a good comparison.

Overall, I could see him getting a deal like Mark Buehrle got(4 years $58 mil) though obviously increased based on inflation. Dempsters 2008 deal might also be a decent comp(4 years $52 mil). Something in the 4 year $60 mil range seems appropriate unless two teams go crazy against each other. Perhaps you throw in some sort of vesting option for a 5th year but I doubt he flat out gets it. The vesting option is how the Brew crew handled Garza. It's a 4 year $50 mil deal with a 5th year vesting option for $13 mil or a $5 mil team option if that doesn't hit.

 

[brett05]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/08/2014-free-agent-power-rankings-2.html

Garza rated in at #4 overall on mlbtrade rumors last season. That didn't lead to a lucrative deal for him. I'm not going to pretend to understand FA spending but what I do know is there are haves and have nots in FA. Garza appeared to be a have prior to the signing period and after was clearly a have not. Whether or not Shields will be a have or not is debatable. I'd argue he's a better pitcher than Garza but if interest isn't high in him the same thing that happened to Garza will happen to him.

Since 2006 these pitchers have gotten more than 4 year deals
Tanaka(age 25 7 years), Greinke(age 29 6 years), Sanchez(age 29 5 years), Ryu(age 26 6 years), Darvish(age 25 6 years), C.J. Wilson(age 31 5 years), Cliff Lee(age 32 5 years), Lackey(age 31 5 years), Sabathia(age 28 7 years), Burnett(age 32 5 years), Zito(age 29 7 years), Gil Meche(age 28 5 years), and Kei Igawa(age 27 5 years).

If we use that as a guide, you're typically talking about one big guy(Scherzer) at 6-7 years and potentially second fiddle guy at 5 years. And based off this info, you're not seeing many guys over 31 signing for 5+ years with Lee and Burnett being the two exceptions. Perhaps you can argue Shields is as good as Burnett was. He had a 4 ERA the year prior but I frankly think it was more the yankees being the yankees there and bidding against themselves. Lee doesn't seem like a good comparison.

Overall, I could see him getting a deal like Mark Buehrle got(4 years $58 mil) though obviously increased based on inflation. Dempsters 2008 deal might also be a decent comp(4 years $52 mil). Something in the 4 year $60 mil range seems appropriate unless two teams go crazy against each other. Perhaps you throw in some sort of vesting option for a 5th year but I doubt he flat out gets it. The vesting option is how the Brew crew handled Garza. It's a 4 year $50 mil deal with a 5th year vesting option for $13 mil or a $5 mil team option if that doesn't hit.

I'd argue that what Ejax got the whole system is way out of whack

 

[chibears55]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/08/2014-free-agent-power-rankings-2.html

Garza rated in at #4 overall on mlbtrade rumors last season. That didn't lead to a lucrative deal for him. I'm not going to pretend to understand FA spending but what I do know is there are haves and have nots in FA. Garza appeared to be a have prior to the signing period and after was clearly a have not. Whether or not Shields will be a have or not is debatable. I'd argue he's a better pitcher than Garza but if interest isn't high in him the same thing that happened to Garza will happen to him.

Since 2006 these pitchers have gotten more than 4 year deals
Tanaka(age 25 7 years), Greinke(age 29 6 years), Sanchez(age 29 5 years), Ryu(age 26 6 years), Darvish(age 25 6 years), C.J. Wilson(age 31 5 years), Cliff Lee(age 32 5 years), Lackey(age 31 5 years), Sabathia(age 28 7 years), Burnett(age 32 5 years), Zito(age 29 7 years), Gil Meche(age 28 5 years), and Kei Igawa(age 27 5 years).

If we use that as a guide, you're typically talking about one big guy(Scherzer) at 6-7 years and potentially second fiddle guy at 5 years. And based off this info, you're not seeing many guys over 31 signing for 5+ years with Lee and Burnett being the two exceptions. Perhaps you can argue Shields is as good as Burnett was. He had a 4 ERA the year prior but I frankly think it was more the yankees being the yankees there and bidding against themselves. Lee doesn't seem like a good comparison.

Overall, I could see him getting a deal like Mark Buehrle got(4 years $58 mil) though obviously increased based on inflation. Dempsters 2008 deal might also be a decent comp(4 years $52 mil). Something in the 4 year $60 mil range seems appropriate unless two teams go crazy against each other. Perhaps you throw in some sort of vesting option for a 5th year but I doubt he flat out gets it. The vesting option is how the Brew crew handled Garza. It's a 4 year $50 mil deal with a 5th year vesting option for $13 mil or a $5 mil team option if that doesn't hit.

Garza was overrated by fans and media and it was all over his stuff and having that potential which he still hasn't lived up to.

 

[beckdawg]

Garza was overrated by fans and media and it was all over his stuff and having that potential which he still hasn't lived up to.

Almost every FA is overrated by media and fans. If they were cornerstone pieces they typically wouldn't be hitting FA. Obviously there's exceptions to that but it's not often the biggest FA leads a team to a title.

 

[Shawon0Meter]

The Cubs have earned their way back into the top 5. I believed in them and they fought for it!

 

[chibears55]

getting this thread back on track, lets see where the Cubs stand with 12 games left in season..

1. Rangers 92 Losses
2. Rockies 91 Losses
3. D-Backs 88 Losses
4. Twins 87 Losses
5. Red sox 84 Losses
6. Cubs 84 Losses
7. Astros 83 Losses
8. White sox 82 Losses
9. Phillies 81 Losses
10. Padres 80 Losses
10. Reds 80 Losses

cubs still can go either way with either finishing in top 5 or pick closer to 10

 

[2323]

You add Lester, subtract Jackson. Add Soler and Bryant. Add a power LH bat in LF this team starts to look interesting.

Put "interesting" in qualitative and quantitative values.

 

[chibears55]

Final week of season... Cubs have 6 games left

1. D-Backs. 94 losses
2. Rangers. 93 losses
3. Rockies. 91 losses
4. Twins. 89 losses
5. Redsox. 88 losses
6. Astros. 87 losses
7. Cubs. 87 losses
8 . Phillies. 85 losses
9. Whitesox. 84 losses
10. Reds. 84 losses

Interesting that the Rockies 6 in row and Rangers 8 of 10 went on a hot streak to fall from the no.1 pick and the D-Backs jumped yo the top spot

 

[brett05]

Called not quitting

 

[beckdawg]

Final week of season... Cubs have 6 games left

1. D-Backs. 94 losses
2. Rangers. 93 losses
3. Rockies. 91 losses
4. Twins. 89 losses
5. Redsox. 88 losses
6. Astros. 87 losses
7. Cubs. 87 losses
8 . Phillies. 85 losses
9. Whitesox. 84 losses
10. Reds. 84 losses

Interesting that the Rockies 6 in row and Rangers 8 of 10 went on a hot streak to fall from the no.1 pick and the D-Backs jumped yo the top spot

Dbacks seem horribly ran to me. In recent off seasons they traded away Trevor Bauer(23 year old 4.06/3.98 ERA FIP 8.54/3.45 k/9 and bb/9), Tyler Skaggs(22 year old lefty 4.30/3.54 with 6.85/2.39), Justin Upton, and Adam Eaton(25 year old .298/.361/.397). Probably some other names I've missed but if that's not enough really good young talent I don't know what is.

 

[brett05]

Dbacks seem horribly ran to me. In recent off seasons they traded away Trevor Bauer(23 year old 4.06/3.98 ERA FIP 8.54/3.45 k/9 and bb/9), Tyler Skaggs(22 year old lefty 4.30/3.54 with 6.85/2.39), Justin Upton, and Adam Eaton(25 year old .298/.361/.397). Probably some other names I've missed but if that's not enough really good young talent I don't know what is.

They are the new Expos it appears

 

[chibears55]

3 games left to play, lets see where were at

1. D-Backs 96 losses
2, Rangers 93 losses
3. Rockies 93 losses
4. Twins. 91 losses
5, Astros. 90 losses
6. Red sox 89 losses
7. Cubs. 88 losses
8. Whitesox 87 losses
9. Phillies. 87 losses
10. Reds. 85 losses

Looks like the best they could draft is 5th if they get swept, and lowest is 10th if they sweep.

Im hoping they win at least 2 to avoid 90 losses

 

[chibears55]

Cubs hold on to win and white sox lose there will be a 3 way tie with 89 losses for slots 7 - 9 ... Phillies

 

[Shawon_Dunston]

Cubs hold on to win and white sox lose there will be a 3 way tie with 89 losses for slots 7 - 9 ... Phillies

Tiebreaker is previous season record, so the Sox are 7th, Cubs 8th, and Phillies 9th.

 

[chibears55]

Its all over.. heres how the top 10 will draft in 2015

1. D-Backs. 98 losses
2. Rockies. 95 losses
3. Rangers. 95 losses
4. Astros. 92 losses
5. Twins. 92 losses
6. Red sox. 91 losses
7. Whitesox. 89 losses
8. Cubs. 89 losses
9. Phillies. 89 losses
10. Reds. 86 losses

 

[Shawon_Dunston]

Astros get 2nd and 5th pick because of not signing Aiken. Everyone else moves down from there.

 

[chibears55]

Astros get 2nd and 5th pick because of not signing Aiken. Everyone else moves down from there.

Thanks. fixed

1. Diamondbacks
2. Astros (for failure to sign 2014 No. 1 overall pick Brady Aiken)
3. Rockies
4. Rangers
5. Astros
6. Twins
7. Red Sox
8. White Sox
9. Cubs
10. Phillies

 

[chibears55]

Astros get 2nd and 5th pick because of not signing Aiken. Everyone else moves down from there.

If you really think about it, that a dumb unfair rule

Why should a team benefit the next year for not being able to sign a pick they drafted..

Astros now get 2 of top 5 players in 2015 because they chose to draft someone they couldn't afford to sign in 2014..
Teams shouldn't be compensated for not doing their homework and making the right pick..

If anything a team should just get a pick between 1st n 2nd not the pick position they had the year before. ..

Also Reds lose opportunity of having a protected 1st rd pick because of Astros failure to sign their pick..