Cubs Interested In Carlos Pena

[Captain Obvious]

They matter is some situations, not much in others, but you can't say they don't matter at all.

In the grand scheme of things, they don't. There, I said it.

 

[Cubsfanforever]

I like the idea of pena....I would much rather see them get young at first base like a yadier alonso or freddie freeman someone like that but as a veteran 1st b pena wouldnt be bad option. I am not so much worried about his batting average as he did hit in the american league east which has alot of good pitching.I think i would be more worried about what kind of contract the cubs give him then anything.He would have more power than laroche better defense than dunn.

 

[X]

Pena is good for me...

 

[Jntg4]

I like the idea of pena....I would much rather see them get young at first base like a yadier alonso or freddie freeman someone like that but as a veteran 1st b pena wouldnt be bad option. I am not so much worried about his batting average as he did hit in the american league east which has alot of good pitching.I think i would be more worried about what kind of contract the cubs give him then anything.He would have more power than laroche better defense than dunn.

I think you mean Yonder Alonso.

 

[DewsSox79]

Dear Ricketts,

Please sign Carlos Pena so that my favorite team doesnt........Please!

 

[Jntg4]

Dear Ricketts,

Please sign Carlos Pena so that my favorite team doesnt........Please!

I didn't even know the Sox were interested in Pena.

 

[DewsSox79]

And how many times does that situation come up over the course of a season for a player? 5? K's are so overrated.

Let's hope it means we are done with Gonzo.

 

[Captain Obvious]

For God's sake, read the damn article.

 

[DewsSox79]

I didn't even know the Sox were interested in Pena.

it has been tossed around. and like lefty and a few of us have said, if the sox get carlos pena we are all pretty much done with the sox.

 

[Captain Obvious]

it has been tossed around. and like lefty and a few of us have said, if the sox get carlos pena we are all pretty much done with the sox.

I'm curious as to why.

 

[DewsSox79]

he will be overpaid for what he is. I see no value in him whatsoever. The sox dont need another SO machine with a shitty BA and OBP that may hit an occasional Homerun.

 

[Jntg4]

he will be overpaid for what he is. I see no value in him whatsoever. The sox dont need another SO machine with a shitty BA and OBP that may hit an occasional Homerun.

Pretty much the same for the Cubs. But if thats' what they want then fine.

 

[Captain Obvious]

he will be overpaid for what he is. I see no value in him whatsoever. The sox dont need another SO machine with a shitty BA and OBP that may hit an occasional Homerun.

Overpaid? Just how much do you think he will get? I would say around 8 million, which would mean he needs to be worth 2 wins to be worth his value. Last year, with a .222 BABIP he managed to be worth a win, or about 4.5 MM. He will get out of the AL East, so that will help. Hell, that alone could get him up to 2 wins. But, he won't put up a .222 BABIP again, so I see no reason to worry about him being worth 8 million. Unless you think he will be as god awful as he was last year.

Strike outs don't mean shit. Read the article I posted earlier.

BA doesn't mean shit. The game is baseball, not hitball. The bottom line is this: BA is an incomplete, misleading, inconclusive, and unforgiving measurement. You know this intuitively. If re-taught from scratch, each and every one of us would decide that BA is an inferior statistic to OBP.

As to his OBP, he just needs to get his BABIP up, which will mean more hits and his OBP goes up. Simple as that.

 

[Jntg4]

Overpaid? Just how much do you think he will get? I would say around 8 million, which would mean he needs to be worth 2 wins to be worth his value. Last year, with a .222 BABIP he managed to be worth a win, or about 4.5 MM. He will get out of the AL East, so that will help. Hell, that alone could get him up to 2 wins. But, he won't put up a .222 BABIP again, so I see no reason to worry about him being worth 8 million. Unless you think he will be as god awful as he was last year. I think 4.5 Million is a lot to buy 1 win. And the NL has better pitching, I don't think getting out of the AL East helps hitters as much as it helps pitchers.

Strike outs don't mean shit. Read the article I posted earlier. That is just some random person's opinion. It is not a fact. But I'm not getting into this with you, but clearly it depends on the situation.

BA doesn't mean shit. The game is baseball, not hitball. The bottom line is this: BA is an incomplete, misleading, inconclusive, and unforgiving measurement. You know this intuitively. If re-taught from scratch, each and every one of us would decide that BA is an inferior statistic to OBP. I can agree somewhat with this, I'd still like someone who will get hits when we need them though.

As to his OBP, he just needs to get his BABIP up, which will mean more hits and his OBP goes up. Simple as that. Ya, that's definitely a correlation.

Replied to each thing you said in the quote.

 

[Captain Obvious]

Replied to each thing you said in the quote.

4.5 MM is what 1 win is worth right now. Where you don't agree with it or not, it is fact.

Regardless, he is out of the AL East, he will see an increase in production.

What about that article was opinion? Did you even read it?

We all want hits when they matter. Doesn't mean we should get a Juan Pierre for 1B. Guys who make contact a ton, generally suck ass.

 

[DewsSox79]

BA is important when the player is batting .227 and .196 in the last 2 seasons. with a .356 obp and .325 obp. With that combination right there, i would not pay him 8 million dollars. period.

 

[Jntg4]

4.5 MM is what 1 win is worth right now. Where you don't agree with it or not, it is fact.

Regardless, he is out of the AL East, he will see an increase in production.

What about that article was opinion? Did you even read it?

We all want hits when they matter. Doesn't mean we should get a Juan Pierre for 1B. Guys who make contact a ton, generally suck ass.

No, Juan Pieere isn't even a 1B. We need his defense, but I don't want someone who can't hit above the Mendoza line (with a few exceptions of course).

 

[Captain Obvious]

BA is important when the player is batting .227 and .196 in the last 2 seasons. with a .356 obp and .325 obp. With that combination right there, i would not pay him 8 million dollars. period.

BA is never important. He has the same 130 point differential there. He gets his BA up this year, which WILL happen, because a .222 BABIP is not sustainable, and he is back at the .350 OBP range or better. What is wrong with a .350 OBP out of a 1B, who is going to slug around .500 in Wrigley? That's a .850 OPS out of a stop gap 1B. I'll take that.

 

[Captain Obvious]

No, Juan Pieere isn't even a 1B. We need his defense, but I don't want someone who can't hit above the Mendoza line (with a few exceptions of course).

A Juan Pierre for 1B... meaning a guy like Juan Pierre.

Do you honestly think he will hit below the Mendoza line again? He had a .222 BABIP!!!! Only 1 person with more than 300 PAs had a worse BABIP and that was Aaron Hill.

 

[cubsneedmiracle]

Not extremely interested in Pena..