Cubs Off-season in Review

[dabynsky]

BaseballAmerica.com: Prospects: Rankings: Organization Talent Rankings: 2006 Organization Talent Rankings


Please look at that!!!! Cubs number 2 in 2001, Number 1 2002, number 3 in 2003. WTF did that get us? The same exact spot as did spending money in 2007-2009!!!! So dont tell me best way to do it is to build by the farm. Cubs are BIG MARKET!!! They should spend up in the range of BOS, PHI, LAA. Stop kidding yourselfs. You guys just want to think that there is hope. Guess what i have 103 yrs to prove you guys WRONG!!! NYY 27 WS show you how to build a MLB team. BY SPENDING MONEY!!!

You conveniently forgot that those farm systems from the late nineties and early 2000s produced the players or the players traded for the core of those teams (Wood, Zambrano, Marshall, Marmol, Soto, Aramis Ramirez, Derrek Lee). We had no where near the same building blocks in place this past offseason that we had heading into 2006.

 

[Rice Cube]

BaseballAmerica.com: Prospects: Rankings: Organization Talent Rankings: 2006 Organization Talent Rankings


Please look at that!!!! Cubs number 2 in 2001, Number 1 2002, number 3 in 2003. WTF did that get us? The same exact spot as did spending money in 2007-2009!!!! So dont tell me best way to do it is to build by the farm. Cubs are BIG MARKET!!! They should spend up in the range of BOS, PHI, LAA. Stop kidding yourselfs. You guys just want to think that there is hope. Guess what i have 103 yrs to prove you guys WRONG!!! NYY 27 WS show you how to build a MLB team. BY SPENDING MONEY!!!

NYY had a lot of their championships propped up by homegrown guys, y'know.

I don't mean to be rude, but I'm very glad you're not in charge.

 

[daddies3angels]

You conveniently forgot that those farm systems from the late nineties and early 2000s produced the players or the players traded for the core of those teams (Wood, Zambrano, Marshall, Marmol, Soto, Aramis Ramirez, Derrek Lee). We had no where near the same building blocks in place this past offseason that we had heading into 2006.

If you look back to those years and after really none of those specs turned into anything. Doesnt names like, Pie, Prior, Patterson, stand out to you? Wood was spec in 1998 season. Z was spec before 2000, Marshall, Marmol, Soto were in mid to lat 2000's when there ratings started to go down. A-Ram and Lee were gotten by the farm but all of those specs sucked. Not one of them made a difference in MLB. So again the best farm in the early 2000's got what for the Cubs? 1 playoff apperance while spending money got Cubs 2 playoff apperances. You guys are just so hyped up about Jackson, Rizzo, etc but theres a GREAT chance they dont make a difference in MLB.

 

[dabynsky]

If you look back to those years and after really none of those specs turned into anything. Doesnt names like, Pie, Prior, Patterson, stand out to you? Wood was spec in 1998 season. Z was spec before 2000, Marshall, Marmol, Soto were in mid to lat 2000's. A-Ram and Lee were gotten by the farm but all of those specs sucked. Not one of them made a difference in MLB. So again the best farm in the early 2000's got what for the Cubs? 1 playoff apperance while spending money got Cubs 2 playoff apperances.

Really so your argument is that all of those guys that came through the farm system don't count if they weren't in the system in those 3 specific years. You still are ignoring the fact that the Cubs had those pieces in place when they spent the money. Find me those guys on our roster right now that were equal to those guys in 2007.

There is always a chance that prospects won't work out, but every team that has won championships in the past twenty years has done so with a solid core of homegrown players.

 

[daddies3angels]

Really so your argument is that all of those guys that came through the farm system don't count if they weren't in the system in those 3 specific years. You still are ignoring the fact that the Cubs had those pieces in place when they spent the money. Find me those guys on our roster right now that were equal to those guys in 2007.

There is always a chance that prospects won't work out, but every team that has won championships in the past twenty years has done so with a solid core of homegrown players.

Cubs were coming off 2006 with 90+ losses just like Cubs are doing this year. How can you say they had better pieces? They went out and spent on 5 pieces to help the team win. This winter after all those contracts came off the book they didnt spend but 12 mil. Ricketts spent more on McDonalds then he did on Cubs this offseason.

 

[dabynsky]

Cubs were coming off 2006 with 90+ losses just like Cubs are doing this year. How can you say they had better pieces?

Just because both teams were coming off of similar records doesn't mean that the talent on the roster heading into the next season was the same. Come on d3a you are better than that.

 

[daddies3angels]

Just because both teams were coming off of similar records doesn't mean that the talent on the roster heading into the next season was the same. Come on d3a you are better than that.

Dab go look at the roster in 2006 and going into this offseason. Cubs had no OF in 2006, no SS, SP prolly a bit better in 2006 then now. Reason they went from 90 losses to Division in 1 year is casue they spent money to do so. So all im saying if they would have spent the money again they contend this year. Basically as a Cubs fans who have waited 103 yrs for WS, i think its wrong to have them wait for a rebuild. I would take a bought World Series right now over a waiting 5 etc years to build long term foundation as they call it. My dad might not be here in 5+ years... So for fans like him, Cubs should try to win NOW!!!

 

[dabynsky]

Dab go look at the roster in 2006 and going into this offseason. Cubs had no OF in 2006, no SS, SP prolly a bit better in 2006 then now. Reason they went from 90 losses to Division in 1 year is casue they spent money to do so. So all im saying if they would have spent the money again they contend this year. Basically as a Cubs fans who have waited 103 yrs for WS, i think its wrong to have them wait for a rebuild. I would take a bought World Series right now over a waiting 5 etc years to build long term foundation as they call it. My dad might not be here in 5+ years... So for fans like him, Cubs should try to win NOW!!!

They had a 3-4 hitter in the prime of their career with better SPs as you already mentioned. Find me the 2007 versions of Aramis Ramirez, Derrek Lee, Carlos Zambrano, Ryan Dempster, etc. on this roster. The point isn't that we couldn't sneak into the playoffs by spending more money then they have at any point in their history. It is that you are giving yourself a window of only a couple of years to do it just like the last time. Instead what we want is to take that money and get guys like Concepcion and Soler. Play a few gambles for bounceback years, and see if we can develop a core that gives this team a shot every year because what you are suggesting doesn't give this team the window that the current plan does.

 

[The Bandit]

So what would you do as GM this offseason and a 200 million dollar payroll that is at say 120 before you start. Go Daddies, what ya gonna do to improve the roster

 

[Jntg4]

Rickettsia is so cheap that he's building two new stadiums, each with multiple fields and renovating another! #rickettscheap

 

[bleacherbum54]

Rickettsia is so cheap that he's building two new stadiums, each with multiple fields and renovating another! #rickettscheap

He isn't building a stadium in Boise and is gonna leave if the city doesn't build a new one I would think he would help out financing the city if he he really wanted a new stadium. But I guess he can just leave and get a better facility for free.

 

[bleacherbum54]

So what would you do as GM this offseason and a 200 million dollar payroll that is at say 120 before you start. Go Daddies, what ya gonna do to improve the roster

200m is ridiculous to think we will ever spend the Yanks are cutting salary right now because of the new LT. To think we will ever come near 200m is crazy. We may spend up to the LT with a good team but I doubt we go over.

 

[The Bandit]

200m is ridiculous to think we will ever spend the Yanks are cutting salary right now because of the new LT. To think we will ever come near 200m is crazy. We may spend up to the LT with a good team but I doubt we go over.

I know that, I'm indulging his Special person fantasy that spending an extra 80 million this offseason would have really made a difference.

 

[daddies3angels]

I know that, I'm indulging his Special person fantasy that spending an extra 80 million this offseason would have really made a difference.

Never said spend 80 mil..check your eyes..i said if they spent around 150 MIL like big market should they could have competed

 

[daddies3angels]

Rickettsia is so cheap that he's building two new stadiums, each with multiple fields and renovating another! #rickettscheap

Again how does that help Cubs win WS? IT DOESNT!!! Just will make him more money in the long run. He a business man. He knows whathe doing business wise. Reason he can keep cutting payroll and putting money into McDonalds cause of stupid Cub fans that will show up to see a losing team. His dad already admitted that.

 

[The Bandit]

Never said spend 80 mil..check your eyes..i said if they spent around 150 MIL like big market should they could have competed

ok so go ahead, play GM and wow me with your playoff team to be. :nope: cmon I even gave you the Yankees payroll to work with 150 mil would be to difficult to work with. Cmon, you have Aramis leaving, still got Z, how would you handle the offseason, I wanna see if you can really "spend around 150 mil like a big market should" and make it a competitor. Go ahead I wanna see this

 

[AddisonStation]

Having a payroll at $150MM this year would be Hendry-esque patchwork. This kind of management should have happened when our window was closed after the '08 season.

Spending isn't in the cards right now. It just isn't. I've accepted it and so should you daddies. I'm a perennial Cubs apologist but the situation Theo and Hoyer walked into left them no other choice than to starting over and building assets.

 

[The Bandit]

Having a payroll at $150MM this year would be Hendry-esque patchwork. This kind of management should have happened when our window was closed after the '08 season.

Spending isn't in the cards right now. It just isn't. I've accepted it and so should you daddies. I'm a perennial Cubs apologist but the situation Theo and Hoyer walked into left them no other choice than to starting over and building assets.

Bingo. It doesn't matter if were a big market, if we have basically zero assets to us then why would we bring in a Fielder at a shit load of money when theres nothing to surround him with

 

[AddisonStation]

Bingo. It doesn't matter if were a big market, if we have basically zero assets to us then why would we bring in a Fielder at a shit load of money when theres nothing to surround him with

His prime years would be wasted in Chicago. Same with Garza.

 

[waldo7239117]

Letting Ramirez walk was probably a good idea ... he's too injury prone and it seems like he does not care about half the time (maybe more).