Cubs vs. Nats

[knoxville7]

Situational. Lester is an auto out. So a guy on 2nd or 3rd you walk him. man on 1st pitch to him. lead off pitch to him.

It is never 100% not pitch to him.

that was exactly my point, thanks

 

[chibears55]

if he is the auto out that you make it sound like he is, then why wouldn't teams just get ross out and force lester to leadoff innings instead of end them? again, I agree he gets pitched around some, but he absolutely has great command of the strike zone. and again, if the backup catcher is what you have to complain about, then thank your lucky stars

Depends on situation and outs...

Guy has 6 hits in 35 AB, close to an auto out as you can get. .

Yes he a backup catcher who starts once or twice a week, you still need some production there. .

 

[knoxville7]

Depends on situation and outs...

Guy has 6 hits in 35 AB, close to an auto out as you can get. .

Yes he a backup catcher who starts once or twice a week, you still need some production there. .

I guess I just feel like if you expect anything more than what he is doing at the plate then you expected too much. he is what he is, a light hitting backup catcher that handles a pitching staff well :shrug:

 

[chibears55]

With out Montero the bottom of the line up pretty much sucks. I'm to the point of thinking after Rizzo the line up ends and the pitchers can ease back.

I totally agree...

seems like its all or nothing from castro, soler , cogs, and Montero / Ross..

Like they either all hit in same game or nothing..

They need 2 or 3 of these guys producing every game with top of lineup to score consistently. .

 

[chibears55]

I guess I just feel like if you expect anything more than what he is doing at the plate then you expected too much. he is what he is, a light hitting backup catcher that handles a pitching staff well :shrug:

He has 8 walks ( 2 intentional ) and 6 hits in what 45 PA

As a backup , it would be good if he was hitting at least his weight, not .170..
he falls below light hitting
Pitchers hit better then him...

He doesn't handle a staff well, he catches for 1 guy and it not like he makes lester better then what he is..
Im sure montero could do just as good..

 

[knoxville7]

He has 8 walks ( 2 intentional ) and 6 hits in what 45 PA

As a backup , it would be good if he was hitting at least his weight, not .170..
he falls below light hitting
Pitchers hit better then him...

He doesn't handle a staff well, he catches for 1 guy and it not like he makes lester better then what he is..
Im sure montero could do just as good..[/QUOTE]

this isn't a question of whom is better. Montero is all day. but you still have to have a backup for him and ross fits the profile. his pitch framing is above average still, and I wouldn't be shocked if ross hits a few homers by the end of the year. but again, his batting average will be around where it is currently....it has been for the last 3 years, not sure what makes anyone think that's suddenly going to change :shrug:

 

[chibears55]

[/[/B]QUOTE]
this isn't a question of whom is better. Montero is all day. but you still have to have a backup for him and ross fits the profile. his pitch framing is above average still, and I wouldn't be shocked if ross hits a few homers by the end of the year. but again, his batting average will be around where it is currently....it has been for the last 3 years, not sure what makes anyone think that's suddenly going to change :shrug:[/QUOTE]

Nobody thought his Avg would change, that the point

We all knew he was going to suck, that why no one wanted him...

Castillo would of been better as a backup. ..


The whole point is, the guy going to have about 150 or so PA and provide pretty much nothing to help this team win games..

Pitch framing? Im still waiting for someone to tell me how you, them, anyone can determine and prove a pitch was framed to provide stats on it to prove player A is far more better then player B..

I agree its a talent and some are very good at doing it when it done, but unless someone watching every pitch of every game and totally focusing on the catcher glove movement. . There no way to tell

 

[knoxville7]

theres people out there that have supposedly come up with a way to sort of "grade" these guys on pitch framing

btw, rough out there for castro, he smoked that ball with Rizzo on 2nd

 

[chibears55]

theres people out there that have supposedly come up with a way to sort of "grade" these guys on pitch framing

btw, rough out there for castro, he smoked that ball with Rizzo on 2nd

Ehhh. Think it's more by their rep then anything

only one who really knows if they purposely tried framing a pitch is the catcher themselves. .

Shows how bad Ross is when you have a minor league scrub PH for him late in a 1 run game...


Those who say the bench doesn't matter much
That is when it matters, that is why they need someone on that bench who can come up and get you a big hit more times then not...

 

[chibears55]

Damn.. you told me wada gives up 1 run and nats had just 2 through 8, id be thinking cubs were winning. .

Nope

LetsGo

 

[chibears55]

Suck to lose this game..

Get a great start out of wada and cant score more then 1 at home..

How about a 2 run walkoff here

 

[chibears55]

I didn't see it hit bat or him

 

[chibears55]

Come on 2 run walk off right here

 

[chibears55]

WTF..

I hate losing games they should win if they had any hitting at all..

 

[Parade_Rain]

Soler needs to move behind Rizzo, imho. He is starting to lay off the hook. Castro is best at 6 hole and he (Castro) specifically asked not to get bounced around in the lineup, IINM.

 

[Diehardfan]

I think the biggest reason why Ross is so disliked by most fans is the fact that the only reason he's here is because of Lester....toss in the little bonus of trading off a better option at backup in Castillo and you got a lot of pissed off fans. And when the Cubs don't score much when he's playing, that just makes it even more frustrating.

 

[TL1961]

I think the biggest reason why Ross is so disliked by most fans is the fact that the only reason he's here is because of Lester....toss in the little bonus of trading off a better option at backup in Castillo and you got a lot of pissed off fans. And when the Cubs don't score much when he's playing, that just makes it even more frustrating.

When are people going to give this up?

Baseball people determine Ross is the better option. Fans who look only at offense - and who mistakenly consider Castillo actually god offensively - say that he is a better player than Ross. I am no lover of Ross' poor offense, but Castillo's is also poor and his D is not as good. Castillo is NOT a better major league catcher than Ross. Neither is as good as we would like to have, but enough already.

 

[CSF77]

Soler needs to move behind Rizzo, imho. He is starting to lay off the hook. Castro is best at 6 hole and he (Castro) specifically asked not to get bounced around in the lineup, IINM.

You promote Baez it makes the line up stronger alone. I personally like Soler hitting behind Montero. Castro should be hitting #7. Looking at OBA right now Castro is ahead of Cogs and Russell only. So just looking at run production hitting Castro ahead of Montero and Soler will net less runs over the coarse of the season.

 

[Parade_Rain]

You promote Baez it makes the line up stronger alone. I personally like Soler hitting behind Montero. Castro should be hitting #7. Looking at OBA right now Castro is ahead of Cogs and Russell only. So just looking at run production hitting Castro ahead of Montero and Soler will net less runs over the coarse of the season.

Since Baez isn't up yet, I want Soler behind Rizzo. When Baez gets to Wrigley that makes some sense.

 

[SilenceS]

If the Cubs wait till June 9th, they gain an extra year of control on Baez. I would venture to guess around that time is when they will start to think about bringing him up if he is doing well.