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[beckdawg]

The reality is that you don't really choose who you trade

That's where I'd argue the cubs are different and that's actually a pretty apt conversation for this topic. Another reason I can't see the cubs going after Miller is chances are you can find a different LOOGY say Fernando Abad for example who they can get at a significant discount and who will likely perform just as well for the cubs needs. As that pertains to a cost controlled starter, I mean I think you're probably closer to right there. But the thing is other than the lefty reliever do the cubs really *have* to buy anything? I'd suggest no. And that puts them in an interesting situation because they can pick and choose the situation.

Having a pitching coach like Bosio, they don't necessarily have to buy a complete player. Obviously, if Jose Fernandez is out there you have to at least kick the tires. But, we've seen the improvement Bosio has done with Arrieta and to lessor extents Maholm, Hammel and Feldman. That's another reason Drew Smyly peaks my interest because he's got good underlying numbers but homers have killed him the past 2 years.

 

[Parade_Rain]

What's the difference between Torres and Jiminez?

 

[TC in Mississippi]

That's where I'd argue the cubs are different and that's actually a pretty apt conversation for this topic. Another reason I can't see the cubs going after Miller is chances are you can find a different LOOGY say Fernando Abad for example who they can get at a significant discount and who will likely perform just as well for the cubs needs. As that pertains to a cost controlled starter, I mean I think you're probably closer to right there. But the thing is other than the lefty reliever do the cubs really *have* to buy anything? I'd suggest no. And that puts them in an interesting situation because they can pick and choose the situation.

Having a pitching coach like Bosio, they don't necessarily have to buy a complete player. Obviously, if Jose Fernandez is out there you have to at least kick the tires. But, we've seen the improvement Bosio has done with Arrieta and to lessor extents Maholm, Hammel and Feldman. That's another reason Drew Smyly peaks my interest because he's got good underlying numbers but homers have killed him the past 2 years.

Unless I miss my guess Miller is too expensive. I also think that Gerardo Concepcion could be the answer before we get to the deadline. I only give up Torres in a deal for a TOR and I don't remember too many deals for top pitchers where a club's number 1 prospect wasn't included.

 

[chibears55]

Yankees would probably ask for Baez before Torres because their looking for a SS to play now.

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[TC in Mississippi]

What's the difference between Torres and Jiminez?

Torres started out stronger and has made it to Myrtle Beach already while Jiminez is in South Bend and Torres is ranked #1 to Jiminez' 7-12 depending on who you read. Bottom line is for the moment Torres likely has more value. Jiminez is moving up fast though and for all we know some clubs have him ranked higher so you make a good point.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

Yankees would probably ask for Baez before Torres because their looking for a SS to play now.

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They love Gregorious despite his slow start. I don't see them actively looking to replace him.

 

[beckdawg]

Unless I miss my guess Miller is too expensive. I also think that Gerardo Concepcion could be the answer before we get to the deadline. I only give up Torres in a deal for a TOR and I don't remember too many deals for top pitchers where a club's number 1 prospect wasn't included.

Agreed but like I said, you don't necessarily have to target someone who is a "top pitcher" today. Going back to Smyly as an example, he's got a 4 ERA and the FIP to mach. So, there's some warts on him. To me there's two types of pitchers they should/could target. The no doubt ace type(a la Jose Fernandez) or someone who's got that sort of potential but has some warts on him with the hope being Bosio gets the best out of them. I see no way you get Fernandez without Torres but someone like Smyly? I think a team like tampa would find it difficult to turn down a deal involving so many cost controlled parts like say Vogelbach, Candelario and maybe one more decent piece especially when you consider they have replacement parts in house for Smyly.

 

[chibears55]

They love Gregorious despite his slow start. I don't see them actively looking to replace him.

That not what ive been hearing. .

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[TC in Mississippi]

That not what ive been hearing. .

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The fans are pissed but they are Yankees fans so consider the source. Girardi has been trying to light a fire under him. I find it hard to believe that they would give up on him after being a stud defensively a year ago. Plus they aren't a serious contender this year anyway. I don't think Baez would be offered anyway.

 

[chibears55]

Agreed but like I said, you don't necessarily have to target someone who is a "top pitcher" today. Going back to Smyly as an example, he's got a 4 ERA and the FIP to mach. So, there's some warts on him. To me there's two types of pitchers they should/could target. The no doubt ace type(a la Jose Fernandez) or someone who's got that sort of potential but has some warts on him with the hope being Bosio gets the best out of them. I see no way you get Fernandez without Torres but someone like Smyly? I think a team like tampa would find it difficult to turn down a deal involving so many cost controlled parts like say Vogelbach, Candelario and maybe one more decent piece especially when you consider they have replacement parts in house for Smyly.

I don't think the Cubs are targeting a TOR type starter unless an under 30 with control years become available in July. Then im sure theyll be interested.

I think their main concern now is depth and insurance in case of injuries or if Hammel or Hendricks falter in second half. .

I don't know how much confidence they have in Lackey as the no.3 guy in playoffs but they could look to upgrade there and push Lackey to the 4th starter ..

It going to be interesting come July to see what they do.. im sure they have to lean on the side of caution to not make a move because of the unexpected starts their getting out of Hammel and Hendricks. ..

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[TC in Mississippi]

I think they have a ton of confidence in Lackey and they should. He's a proven playoff performer and has done well this year. I don't see them picking up a starter either unless they just can't pass up the deal. It's more likely that they look for one in the offseason as they cannot go into 2017 without a potential replacement for Arrieta.

 

[Diehardfan]

If anything at all...they might want to find a lefty for short relief that can actually get a lefthanded hitter out.

 

[CubsWin]

Yankees would probably ask for Baez before Torres because their looking for a SS to play now.

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I would think so. Baez' stock is pushing up, because he's continually making impressive fielding plays, and his hitting is improved, and of course that power. He just hit a HR today, by the way.

 

[chibears55]

They love Gregorious despite his slow start. I don't see them actively looking to replace him.

You see who playing Short for Yankees tonight for first time all season?
Yes, Castro

MLB Network guys said Yankees looking to shake things up and who the first guy they bench ?
Yes, Gregorious

They dont love him that much

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[cubsmann]

I can almost guarantee that this is the year and that Epstein will not let the deadline pass without adding a major impact player. He has picked the pockets of so many GMs because he smart and shrewd. Its hard to say who it will be but I'll bet it will be someone that no one sees coming. This team is so loaded with talent in its farm system that I like trading for Alex Cobb who won't be ready until August but what a shot in the arm he would be on the Northside huh? He's signed through 2017 and Jason Hammel may not be back next year. I love the idea of a rotation of Arrieta, Lester, Lackey, and Cobb going into the offseason. The Cubs would likely have to give up either Soler or Baez but I say let one of them go. With Almora, Heyward, Schwarber, and possibly even Folwer next year the Cubs would be loaded again and have Cobb for at least another season.

 

[cubsmann]

It's still early and I think the Yankees can still make the playoffs or at least contend until the end.

Right now it doesn't look like they'll need starting pitching. Kyle Hendricks only being a #5 says something about your rotation. Not sure why no one has confidence in him, he'd be higher than a #5 on probably every other team. Maybe if Jason Hammel drops off like he has in the past or if John Lackey struggles, right now it doesn't seem like that will happen.

If anything, I'd rather the Cubs trade those prospects for Julio Teheran.

I seriously doubt the Yankees will still be in contention in late July and would be willing to unload Miller who Epstein really wants and the Cubs really need. You can't have enough quality setup men.

 

[Omeletpants]

I seriously doubt the Yankees will still be in contention in late July and would be willing to unload Miller who Epstein really wants and the Cubs really need. You can't have enough quality setup men.

You want to give them Russell, Contreras or Baez? Cause that's what they want

 

[TC in Mississippi]

I seriously doubt the Yankees will still be in contention in late July and would be willing to unload Miller who Epstein really wants and the Cubs really need. You can't have enough quality setup men.

The asking price for Miller is ridiculous at this point. One rumor was Schwarber and Torres while another was Almora and Baez. They've supposedly asked for the Giants #1 and #2 prospects in Christian Arroyo and Tyler Beede. Now they might not get what they ask for but the price is still going to be high.

 

[chibears55]

The asking price for Miller is ridiculous at this point. One rumor was Schwarber and Torres while another was Almora and Baez. They've supposedly asked for the Giants #1 and #2 prospects in Christian Arroyo and Tyler Beede. Now they might not get what they ask for but the price is still going to be high.

Thing is you're going by rumors and supposedly asked for..
I think this is all what writers think they want or should get

Last i heard was they haven't even decided if their going to sell yet..


So, until we get an actual confirmation of what been asked or offered..
we have no clue what they would be willing to take from any team..

How many times have we seen solid players get traded and we all said, that all they got ? Cubs couldn't of offered better?

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[cubsmann]

You want to give them Russell, Contreras or Baez? Cause that's what they want

How do you know this? Stop talking out of your ass. Oh right I forgot you work in the Yankees front office. Damn its so good to have a person with such insight into what the Yankees want from the Cubs. You are a GENIUS man. They want our best players? Really? Wow man, you totally put me in my place. Thanks bro