Cutler or Tannehill??

[airtime143]

Jay Cutler's first 3 years as a starter

2007 - rating - 88.1, TD/Int ratio - 1.43
2008 - rating - 86.0, TD/Int ratio - 1.39
2009 - rating - 76.8, TD/Int ratio - 1.04

Tannehill's first 3 years as a starter

2012 - rating - 76.1, TD/Int ratio - 0.92
2013 - rating - 81.7, TD/Int ratio - 1.41
2014 - rating - 92.8, TD/Int ratio - 2.25

Tell me honestly after looking at each of those first 3 year stats, which player is trending upward and which player is trending downward?

What you said.

Tannehill is on his way up, on a team that was a mess- don't forget they pretty much lost their entire offensive line during his tenure.
He took over a shit team and it is steadily improving.
Cutler on the other hand jumped in to a great situation- The Broncos went 13-3 the year before despite having turnover prone plummer at the helm, Cutler stepped in when they were 7-4, and that was the last hope for the playoffs in Denver till tebow came to town.

I cannot think of a single attribute that Cutler brings to the table that is better than what Tannehill has- and the arm strength is irrelevant. Cutler is wildly inaccurate on the deep passes. Tannehill could likely spray the ball all over the field deep if he was stupid enough to risk the ints.

Tannehill isn't an amazing talent, but he will be far more consistant and successful than Cutler will ever be.

Simple choice.

 

[shoopster]

Cutler is as Cutler does ...

 

[onebud34]

Tannehill can't hit the deep throws, that us his major weakness.

Neither can Cutler...at least Tannehill can be consistent on the intermediate/short throws

 

[airtime143]

That part has always been weird to me. Everyone always says he is the first one to Halas Hall and the last one to leave. What the **** is he doing if he can't even improve his mechanics???

That is the big issue- He likely cannot.
No matter which way you look at it- he cannot or just wont put the work in- it is bad.

I never questioned his work ethic. I do however believe he just doesn't have the awareness or mental agility to keep it together under pressure. It doesn't matter how hard you work, some peoples brains just aren't wired that way.

 

[da_bears6]

fixed

Ha c'mon now Mick you luck was more important than his actual skills. It's like when a guy who averages 10 points a game in the NBA goes off for 50 points or one year wonders in the NFL.

They have the skills to do that but doing it consistently it what makes the difference between guys like McCown/Cutler to guys like Rodgers/Brady/Manning. His stats show what kind of player he really is.

 

[PrideisBears]

Glad you provided a different commentary

Actually I did. I used to join in these dumb arguments but seeing the same people over and over is sad now. You are getting married right? You might want to let your fiancé know you cant seem to get over Jay Cutler

 

[onebud34]

Actually I did. I used to join in these dumb arguments but seeing the same people over and over is sad now. You are getting married right? You might want to let your fiancé know you cant seem to get over Jay Cutler

It's about the only entertaining to talk about with the Bears right now

 

[Bearly]

Tannehill. How is this even a question?

agreed but it doesn't make me want to dump Jay without another viable option. It's a silly question. I don't think the option is available.

 

[PrideisBears]

It's about the only entertaining to talk about with the Bears right now

No it's the only thing a few of you can talk about.


try some of these topics

Gase's success without Manning
Bears transition into the 3-4
Will Shea live it to first round potential?
Any of our rookies
Houston and Young's injuries
Who will be our starting safeties?
Who will be our starting center?
Our starting RT?

These are just off the top of my head but lets keep talking about Cutler

 

[onebud34]

No it's the only thing a few of you can talk about.


try some of these topics

Gase's success without Manning
Bears transition into the 3-4
Will Shea live it to first round potential?
Any of our rookies
Houston and Young's injuries
Who will be our starting safeties?
Who will be our starting center?
Our starting RT?

These are just off the top of my head but lets keep talking about Cutler

We can talk about that the closer we get to training camp.

Right now it's the dead point in the offseason...we might as well talk about the most important position on the team

 

[gpphat]

Actually I did. I used to join in these dumb arguments but seeing the same people over and over is sad now. You are getting married right? You might want to let your fiancé know you cant seem to get over Jay Cutler

I'm sorry I guess I missed where you provided the different commentary? My fault, the only thing I saw was you bitching about another Cutler thread...which from what I have noticed if there is a Cutler thread there is PIB complaining about the Cutler thread. So that really isn't a new commentary you provide, but if you did add something different than I sincerely apologize.

There really isn't much else being discussed on the forums, unless you want to talk hockey the top 5 threads being discussed are about Cutler, if you were the boss of the Bears, marriage, weird alien noises, and cancer. So if you can come up with a better topic to discuss and debate, by all means please provide. But if the only Bears topic that is relatively interesting is about Cutler and Tannehill, than I'm going to lean more that way buddy.

And my fiancee agrees that Cutler was overpaid and Tannehill is the better option if given the choice.

 

[airtime143]

It's a little less money and a year less then Cutler's deal but still a lot for a QB that hasn’t proven much in the NFL.

That is true- He has not done much yet.
But, he follows in lock step with a pretty good trend QB wise- the 2-1 td to int ratio threshold in the first 3 years starting.
Brees, Ryan, Luck, Manning (the good one), Flacco, Roethlisberger, Brady, Rivers, Rodgers, Wilson, Stafford, Romo, They are the who's who of pretty solid players, and all of them hit the 2-1 mark and were trending up by year 3 starting.

The ones who haven't- Newton, Smith, Eli, Dalton, Cutler, Sanchez... are pretty much a who's who of frustrating, infuriating guys to watch.

Of course you have foles, the crazy anamoly in his second year till he fell back to earth, and the Kaepernick/Griffin runner/passer good years before teams figured out their gimmicks... but those 3 are the outliers.

The formula seems simple enough- the long term, dependable guys improve steadily and hit benchmarks pretty quickly. Tannehill for the time being is on that track.
And from a contract standpoint, it is a good call to get it done now. Miami will win the division on 2015 when New England stumbles out of the gate.

 

[hyatt151]

No it's the only thing a few of you can talk about.


try some of these topics

Gase's success without Manning- Average at best
Bears transition into the 3-4- That got old 2 years ago
Will Shea live it to first round potential? That got old 3 years ago
Any of our rookies- We have a rookie thread
Houston and Young's injuries- one is OK, the other will be out for sometime.
Who will be our starting safeties? Hopefully, Rolle and somebody else not on the roster at this time.
Who will be our starting center? DA Rookie, hoping he don't shit the bed
Who will be our RT? Bushrod, move him over, he's toast. So who will be our LT?

These are just off the top of my head but lets keep talking about Cutler

Better?

 

[gpphat]

No it's the only thing a few of you can talk about.


try some of these topics

Gase's success without Manning
Bears transition into the 3-4
Will Shea live it to first round potential?
Any of our rookies
Houston and Young's injuries
Who will be our starting safeties?
Who will be our starting center?
Our starting RT?

These are just off the top of my head but lets keep talking about Cutler

Gase topic might actually be a decent one to discuss, but take a quick guess what a big part of Gase's success here will rely on?
Bears transitioning to the 3-4 will be another excellent topic when training camps start and we start reading and seeing how the players are transitioning, right now that topic is pretty limited on what to discuss.
Shea living up to first round potential, there is a thread for that going on and it had some momentum but got boring pretty quickly
With the rookies, its still tough to discuss much outside of general excitement and speculation until training camp starts.
Houston and Young injuries, I see a 30-40 post thread that dies out in boredom
Starting Safeties, another wait until camp thread
Who will be the starting center, I just called up Miss Cleo and she says it's the kid they drafted...Grasu. Thanks for the 4 post thread
Starting RT, see other topics that need training camp to generate any real discussion.

But please feel free to start any of those threads...hell I'll do it for you

 

[PrideisBears]

I'm sorry I guess I missed where you provided the different commentary? My fault, the only thing I saw was you bitching about another Cutler thread...which from what I have noticed if there is a Cutler thread there is PIB complaining about the Cutler thread. So that really isn't a new commentary you provide, but if you did add something different than I sincerely apologize.

There really isn't much else being discussed on the forums, unless you want to talk hockey the top 5 threads being discussed are about Cutler, if you were the boss of the Bears, marriage, weird alien noises, and cancer. So if you can come up with a better topic to discuss and debate, by all means please provide. But if the only Bears topic that is relatively interesting is about Cutler and Tannehill, than I'm going to lean more that way buddy.

And my fiancee agrees that Cutler was overpaid and Tannehill is the better option if given the choice.

What is there for me to add? I've already said its time to move on an d Cutler is what he is but besides that what else is there to say? What have you added that was new that you already haven't said before again and again and again? We have a Cutler thread because of people like you who cant think of anything else to talk about on the Bears besides Jay cutler. I admit that in the past I was always in the center of these conversations but now it's pretty damn old. The Bears transitioning to the 3-4 is two years old? How about talking about the same guy since 2009

 

[da_bears6]

Without Jay Cutler this board would be deserted.

I hope the guys at CCS are paying him royalties.

 

[PrideisBears]

Without Jay Cutler this board would be deserted.

I hope the guys at CCS are paying him royalties.

And that's a shame.

 

[FirstTimer]

That is the big issue- He likely cannot.
No matter which way you look at it- he cannot or just wont put the work in- it is bad.

I never questioned his work ethic. I do however believe he just doesn't have the awareness or mental agility to keep it together under pressure. It doesn't matter how hard you work, some peoples brains just aren't wired that way.

I do. His fundamentals look like shit in practice too.

 

[Broc]

PIB for the love of god, get over it. If you're so sick and tired of people talking about Cutler there's an easy solution: Don't read or participate in the threads. Nobody has a gun to your head forcing you to read and post in these types of threads. You sound like an annoying senior citizen whining about what the radio station is playing and complaining that they should play something different when you could just change the fucking channel and listen to something else.

If this is what people want to discuss then so be it. Who the **** are you to say what people should and shouldn't discuss? Seriously who fucking cares man, let people talk about what they want to talk about. If you couldn't care less about the topic just ignore it. Do you see me in the Bulls forum whining that people should stop talking about X or Y? No, because I don't give a **** about basketball so I don't even go into the forum.

Secondly, it's not that people want to talk about Cutler, it's more so that he's the fucking QB of the team and thus is going to get discussed ad nauseam due to the nature of the position. Grossman and Orton were discussed and debated ad nauseam, Cutler is discussed ad nauseam, and I guarantee you that when Cutler is gone the next QB will be discussed ad nauseam. There is no point whining about it, it's just the way it is and will continue to be so I suggest you get over it.

 

[PrideisBears]

PIB for the love of god, get over it. If you're so sick and tired of people talking about Cutler there's an easy solution: Don't read or participate in the threads. Nobody has a gun to your head forcing you to read and post in these types of threads. You sound like an annoying senior citizen whining about what the radio station is playing and complaining that they should play something different when you could just change the fucking channel and listen to something else.

If this is what people want to discuss then so be it. Who the **** are you to say what people should and shouldn't discuss? Seriously who fucking cares man, let people talk about what they want to talk about. If you couldn't care less about the topic just ignore it. Do you see me in the Bulls forum whining that people should stop talking about X or Y? No, because I don't give a **** about basketball so I don't even go into the forum.

Secondly, it's not that people want to talk about Cutler, it's more so that he's the fucking QB of the team and thus is going to get discussed ad nauseam due to the nature of the position. Grossman and Orton were discussed and debated ad nauseam, Cutler is discussed ad nauseam, and I guarantee you that when Cutler is gone the next QB will be discussed ad nauseam. There is no point whining about it, it's just the way it is and will continue to be so I suggest you get over it.

There is only one radio station on buddy and it's the cuter station. Several positions on the team, lets talk about one guy