Defense and a Phantom Facemask Balls out Cutlers Inaccuracy. It is what it is...

[run and shoot]

Tom Brady is one of the best quarterbacks to ever play the game. Trying to set expectations to him for Cutler, or 99 percent of quarterbacks for that matter, is unrealistic. As far as Cam Newton, he's playing at an MVP level this season because he's turned into an MVP caliber player who's looking like he's going to be one of the top QB's for the next decade, not to mention he's a ridiculous dual threat. He's another quarterback who doesn't have a comparison because he's basically playing on a different level.

what about Russ Wilson or Tbridge. jay's not as good as them and they have less experience.

 

[run and shoot]

I don't get the anti or pro Cutler arguments. He's payed around 15th in the league at his position, which is where he's paid. He's shown he can play with a shitty oline and make them statistically look good.

I get arguing with those who think he's one of the best and with those that think he sucks but the reality is that he's about the 15th best QB in the NFL.

He's very inconsistent with amazing accuracy in one moment and terrible decision making in the next. His technique can be terrible but he has the ability to throw a strike off his back foot.

He has maybe a handful of passes he threw away to play another down but he also has many plays he's extended and made a first down.

This is the first year an OC has played to his floor and not his ceiling and both are being praised for it. And i agree this is how you manage Cutler. Don't think he's a top 10 QB but don't pretend he's in the bottom 20.

My only hope is that an improved oline brings out a better Cutler because what he's done with this oline in this offense has been pretty good. Not amazing, not great but pretty good.

Sent from a spaghetti monster circling the earth

I don't get the anti or pro Cutler arguments.

2 things 1) he's not a leader 2) we don't win a lot with him in there. Side note: we had a good OL and 2 good wr's in Alshon/Marshall.....same result, losing record.

 

[run and shoot]

People who ONLY watch Bears games have a jaded view on offensive lines.

People who watch ALL NFL games have a much better view.


By an unobjective 3rd party analysis, The Bears still have a top 10 NFL offensive line.

Both in terms of PASS PROTECTION and in terms of RUN BLOCKING.

People think that just becasue Jay has to run a little, his line sucks. NO

EVERY QB HAS TO NAVIGATE THE POCKET.

LEARN THAT.



Here are the FACTS: Bears Oline are #8 in pass protection and #9 in Run blocking.


Quit blaming the fucking line...

The Bears still have a top 10 NFL offensive line.


way to back up your analysis on jay's mediocre play not being OL related. Good use of the stats.

 

[westcoast bear fanatic]

Jay is a far better QB than this Mongo ****** is a poster, that is one thing I'm certain of.

 

[Larsonite]

People who ONLY watch Bears games have a jaded view on offensive lines.

People who watch ALL NFL games have a much better view.


By an unobjective 3rd party analysis, The Bears still have a top 10 NFL offensive line.

Both in terms of PASS PROTECTION and in terms of RUN BLOCKING.

People think that just becasue Jay has to run a little, his line sucks. NO

EVERY QB HAS TO NAVIGATE THE POCKET.

LEARN THAT.



Here are the FACTS: Bears Oline are #8 in pass protection and #9 in Run blocking.


Quit blaming the fucking line...

Do these stats reflect if an olineman whiffs on his block but Cutler moves out of the way and isn't sacked or pressured? Because it sure looks like Cutler has had to do that all year long. When I look at those stats I give Cutler more credit than the oline because I see a lot of poor pass blocking and a QB very good at avoiding sacks.

I would also argue that Long and Ducasse are better run blockers than pass blockers. And that Gase's wr screens opens up the interior run game.

Maybe you're right about our oline being under rated but IMO those stats reflect just how good Cutler has been at avoiding sacks, not how good the oline is at pass blocking.

Sent from a spaghetti monster circling the earth

 

[Supercalifragilizer]

Anyone remember the play where Cutler somehow managed to throw it 2 yards behind Royal when he was running a 4 yard slant? I'm not sure i buy this idea that Cutler is accurate within 7 yards......

Anyway, it was the performance of the ground game that keyed the Offensive production yesterday, not Cutler thats for sure. Some very solid run blocking and a solid shift from all 3 RB's was what got the job done. Not Cutler and his 20 completions for 150yards.

Defense managed to play above their talent level too.

 

[bearsfootball516]

2 things 1) he's not a leader 2) we don't win a lot with him in there. Side note: we had a good OL and 2 good wr's in Alshon/Marshall.....same result, losing record.

Those seasons in 2013-14 and 2014-15 when we had Marshall and Alshon both playing well? Those were the two worst Bears defenses in statistical history. The offense put up major points in 13-14, but it couldn't counter having what was the worst defense in franchise history. I remember Cutler and Co. lighting Green Bay up week 17 with the playoffs on the line, only for the defense to utterly collapse in the final seconds (Cobb burns Conte). Otherwise, they would have been in the playoffs.

 

[Calabis]

they also lost the lead is all the games he mentioned ...any other questions?

here ill respond for you and mongo.


"bu bu bu I hate Cutler though and I know everythings his fault somehow"

Show me where I said its his fault for losing? Its your built in excuse you run too. So if the offense scored in the red zone more would it be the defenses fault....this "defense" fault is comical. The team failed and they cant put a complete game together.

24th in the league in scoring TDs

22nd in scoring

But let me guess a below avg to mediocre defense should pull it out....not the 9th highest paid guy in the NFL and his misfits....just the defense.

 

[Calabis]

This is an interesting point. Posters here have no problem saying how badly Stafford Sucks. Many of the same posters are JC nutt huggers. And while I will disagree with your assessment of the Bears Oline being top 10, I don't think anyone can argue that the Lions Oline is better. And yet Stafford is much better in every significant statistical category this season.........

Soo, if we look at this from a different angle, make an assessment of Stafford, and then be aware JC is worse. In my book that makes JC a bottom tier (16-32) QB.

Dont look at results...you are not allowed too....like I said, the Cutler boys have no issues with calling Cousins a scrub/first year guy....Fitpatrick a scrub/journeyman....Stafford sucks....then Jay is awesome....lol. They all are better than him...talent...no Jay is top 3 talent....results yes...Jay is below avg to avg and gets paid like he is great

 

[Calabis]

Megatron or Tate of course

He had guys, to throw deep too, that were wide open, he has missed this year...you keep with the bs logic and excuses, its what you do best sir.

 

[buckaroo2311]

Do you guys like trains?

Trains are cool.

 

[Calabis]

He has been hit 69 times this year...we rank 25th...thats good.
Cleveland 113 times with good oline names. If Cutler held the ball longer his ints would go up...but so would his hits imo. Also one of his strengths is being under pressure....problem is the clock inside...thank Jerry for screwing him up.

Also from article:

You browse through the interwebs today you’ll notice a lot of news outlets pointing out how well Jay Cutler has been playing this year. Specifically, his career high 92.2 passer rating to go along with a projected career low in interceptions. Some are calling it Cutler’s “best season ever.” Throughout this process of praising Cutler, other fans are sitting around wondering why Chicago is sitting at 5-8 with arguably the best offensive skill players in the division. Considering expectations were set so very low in the preseason, and the Bears are on track to meet them, how can someone logically argue that Cutler had a “good” season? Sure, one could point to the rash of injuries to hit Chicago, Kevin White’s failure to contribute in 2015, Gould’s missed kicks and Cutler’s improved numbers across the board. But, when a “good” season doesn’t translate to something more than roughly five wins – what does it really mean? Let’s take a look and just how good Cutler has been playing this year.

Total QBR

A stat used by ESPN to determine the “contexts and details of throws and what they mean for wins. It’s built from the team level down to the quarterback, where we understand first what each play means to the team, then give credit to the quarterback for what happened on that play based on what he contributed.” Using this stat, based on the 2015 season, Jay Cutler ranks between rookie Jameis Winston and Kirk Cousins – good enough for 16th in the NFL. Cutler’s passer rating of 92.2, a career high for him so far this season, ranks him 17th … just below Brian Hoyer.

Fumbles

Fumbles have plagued Jay Cutler his entire career, so before you go blaming Kyle Long’s position switch or Jermon Bushrod’s severe decline, understand that Smokin’ Jay has 50, yes 50, career fumbles. Matt Forte has 13, and he’s carried the ball roughly 2,000 times. Cutler is tied for ninth in fumbles for 2015, he finished third in 2014, 12th in 2012 and first in 2010. Again, they’ve plagued him his whole career.

Time To Throw

Cutler’s 2015 time in the pocket averages out to roughly 2.64 seconds, good for 18th in the NFL, just above Josh McCown. He’s been sacked only twice, of 19 total, when releasing the ball within 2.5 seconds. Peyton Manning’s average for 2015 was 2.31 seconds. This basically means if Cutler was able to get the ball out of his hand faster than 2.5 seconds routinely this season, he would have been sacked 89% less. Maybe that would have translated to more wins?

Not Under Pressure

As we said, Cutler has been sacked a total of 19 times, that good for seventh BEST in the NFL. Cutler has been sacked on only 11.3% of his drops, ranks fifth in the NFL. So, as you can see, the offensive line is doing a GREAT job protecting him. Cutler’s isn’t running for his life like last season where he was sacked 38 times. He has time to make these throws, literally more than 2.5 seconds. When you look at just how “good” Cutler’s season has been, you must take into account the low expectations people have grown to have for him. With arguably the best offensive skill players in the league, Cutler has managed a measly 16 touchdown passes. Meanwhile, Chicago has rushed almost 300 times this year, compared to Cutler’s 396 pass attempts. It’s clear the coaches understand #6 too. As expectations continue to grow for Kevin White and the offense next season, don’t forget Cutler is simply average on a good day. This is reflected by a career-high QBR that’s currently just .3 points higher than Marcus Martiota, another rookie.

Has Cutler played better than usual this season? Sure he has. Has he played “good” enough to lead this team to the postseason and beyond, no. No he hasn’t.

 

[L GUAPO]

you're happy with a 6 win season?

Good Bears fan...

Who said anything about 6 wins? All that was said is the facts in regards to the game and your troll Cutler fetish posts that fail non-stop.

Good Bears poster :yep:

 

[onebud34]

Cutler's positive in his deep throw inaccuracy. He's out throwing the coverage too.

 

[Briggs is GOAT]

Well he only has thrown 8 picks, which is no doubt an improvement.

 

[KingDarude7]

It is what it is...

Look. Cutler did about as good as he could. Give him props. I root for him to be the best in the NFL every time he steps on the field in a Bears uniform. We won. That is what matters.

And Gase has done about as well as he could with Cutler.

When you have a QB who can't throw accurately beyond 7 yards, you do what you can. I know WR screens piss some of you off. But it is what it is... Goal is to get the ball out of (the human turnover machine) Cutlers hands and into the hands of someone who can make a play as quickly as possible.


That game plan has led the team to a crap record. But it has also led Gase to consideration for HC jobs. As long as Cutler sticks to the plan and keeps throwing the bubble and the 3 yard dump off, people will think he worked miracles with Cutler.

Turned the "gunslinger" into a "game manager".

Congrats. It is what it is. We traded a game manager, 2 first round picks, and another pick for... a game manager.

As far as today, luckily, our DC is one of the best in the NFL and put in a great game plan. That and Martin choking up the ball a lot helped.

A phantom facemask and a solid defense bailed out Cutlers inability to throw a ball more than 3 yards and got us a win. It is what it is. I'll take it.

Thank god theirs an Igore button this dumbass homer.

 

[Calabis]

Well he only has thrown 8 picks, which is no doubt an improvement.

Coming of a QB throwing upfield. 20 completions for 150 yards is good...then I dont want anyone telling me crap about another QB.....our offense is pretty sad...I posted their redzone results, anf being 18 in total offense is not good...22nd in passing is not good

 

[Willis1524]

Coming of a QB throwing upfield. 20 completions for 150 yards is good...then I dont want anyone telling me crap about another QB.....our offense is pretty sad...I posted their redzone results, anf being 18 in total offense is not good...22nd in passing is not good

What's a good ranking for a short pass/run offense?

 

[Bearly]

I want to draft a top Qb or a guy like Wentz later as well. What's with all the finger pointing. Jay is one of the reasons the O has been respectable this year. One hater says he just sucks and another points at bringing bad to mediocre to kill our draft. Loses are all him and wins are despite of him or not wanted. Doesn't matter the scenario, it's always his fault. I'm not a fan but I have to defend a player on my fav team from ridiculousness. He had a pretty good stat year last year but sucked. He's had a mediocre stat year this one and has played well overall. Unless you're biased one way or the other, it's rather apparent.

 

[NSR or FD]

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We can merge the shit out of threads though. Just watch!

The real question is does vBulletin allow you access and then manipulation of the source code?

If so I charge $40/hr for php work because I hate php lol