Defiant Plan Not-Getters Refuse to Give Up the Ghost

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So now, as the Cubs prepare to kick off the first ST game with what is indisputably the strongest roster in baseball, they're going to claim that Epstein just got "really lucky." Maybe Imrem should go work for the Sun-Times? He'd fit right in with the rest of their bozos.

"The Chicago Cubs' baseball boss also noted that it's remarkable that the club became favorites to win the World Series so soon.

Nothing Epstein said is surprising, but it was good to hear him say it."


http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20160302/sports/160309667/
 

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So now, as the Cubs prepare to kick off the first ST game with what is indisputably the strongest roster in baseball, they're going to claim that Epstein just got "really lucky." Maybe Imrem should go work for the Sun-Times? He'd fit right in with the rest of their bozos.

"The Chicago Cubs' baseball boss also noted that it's remarkable that the club became favorites to win the World Series so soon.

Nothing Epstein said is surprising, but it was good to hear him say it."


http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20160302/sports/160309667/

*glug, glug*
 

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Overall we're talking about good scouting, good developing and good luck.

Dear Anyone,

Every team that wins a title built a roster and then in game, got lucky AND was talented. These two things are not mutually exclusive.

Signed,

Facts.


With regards to reading this article, it's an old person complaining about new strategies that said old person either willfully chooses to not understand or simply cannot understand. No team should ever spend every penny of money to try and win every game they can. There was no building a WS winner for the Cubs in 2011-2014 via shrewd FA signings; their simply wasn't enough homegrown or cheap talent to get.

And the Cubs did spend money to get better. They signed SP like Scott Feldman to then trade later. This isn't a team that solely relied on drafting; they did spend money to try and make themselves both better today and better tomorrow.
 

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article said:
Who knew?

Nobody could have expected Kris Bryant to start his big-league career exploding instead of evolving.

Nobody could have expected Kyle Schwarber to be batting against Big Ten pitching one year and battering big-league pitching the next year.

Nobody could have expected Joe Maddon to flee Tampa Bay for Chicago and become the perfect manager for this team at this time.

This "reporter" is an idiot. He didn't pay attention to Trout's debut. let alone that Bryant was the best hitter in college baseball. He didn't read the scouting reports on Schwarber that suggested he could take MLB at bats the day he got drafted, etc. I'd wipe a turtlehead with this article, if the paper it was printed on was a bit more absorbent.
 

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There is so much stupid in this column it kind of hurts my head but the bit about luck might be the only thing he gets right in the whole piece, and Theo said it himself. Where he's wrong in that is that he neglects to understand that luck rarely happens without putting in work. So what is luck? I'd define it as solid planning and hard work and the ability and good fortune to get the wind at your back more often than not. I mean we're not talking about blind luck here, we're talking about things clicking in a fortuitous order. If it wasn't for the analytics and the scouting and the recognition of opportunities when they knock at your door where would this team be? How many columnists in this town cried foul when the Cubs pursued Joe Maddon when Rick Renteria had been told he would return for 2015? So was it luck that they got Maddon or shrewd business and the realization that you don't pass up opportunity. Definitely a little of both but, as I said, I'd give him the luck part of this column if the rest wasn't so absurd.

The most egregious part of this piece is the regurgitation of the old trope about how they could have competed every year by spending the Ricketts' money. When Theo took over the club was saddled with bad contracts, poor MLB talent (for the most part), the 28th to 30th ranked farm system depending who you listened to and some financial restraints from the purchase of the team. Could you have built a team that could hover around .500 most years and wait for opportunities? Yeah sure but that sucks. That's mediocrity and who wants that? I understand teams do it out of necessity which is usually financial, and I understand they sometimes succeed, but that's terribly inefficient and isn't how the most successful teams operate. The playoffs are essentially random. You can tweak your team at the deadline looking at likely opponents, you can prepare for contingencies, but you can't build a World Series team like you can build a NBA champion for example. If you have five bites at the apple you're much more likely to win one than if you have just one shot every several year, if that. In the age of $34 million pitchers and $25 million plus position players it's pretty tough to get those shots without some excellent home grown talent. This nonsense railing at tanking gets on my nerves. I would much rather a team rebuild than be mediocre. How exciting are the Cubs and Astros right now? How exciting are the Braves going to be in a couple of years? The Brewers look to be on the right track and the Reds could be too. I hate watching mediocre baseball. So go ahead and field a team that makes sense with your goals. If spending money has more of an impact in two years than in the now than do that. Sorry, that nonsense fires me up.

Lastly there was this silliness:

That's a nice goal, but the Cubs aren't just any franchise. They haven't won a World Series since 1908 or even played in one since 1945.

This is so stupid I was literally speechless when I read it. This idea of a desperation to win a World Series is what has gotten so many Cubs teams in trouble in the past. Dallas Green's plans weren't that different than Theo's and he wasn't given the chance to finish instead given a "win now" directive which eventually chased him out of town. Jim Hendry signed the likes of Milton Bradley to fill a hole rather than waiting for the right guy to come along, maybe even one season later. The fact is, and let's keep Theo out of this for a second, if you looked at that Cubs organization in October 2011 and thought that anything less than a complete rebuild was in order than you weren't paying attention. It's pretty much business 101, no organization succeeds without a solid foundation and the Cubs were built on quicksand. Also the cream of their division was operating under a sustainable model and if they wanted to compete with them they had to emulate them in some fashion. Throwing money at the 2012 Cubs wasn't going to bring them a World Series in 2012, 2013 or even in the foreseeable future. Theo and company don't walk on water and they do make mistakes but the basic plan wasn't one of them. Scout well, draft well, develop well and hire well. Pretty basic and I would have been pissed at anything less.
 

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Is there a team with a higher average win projection across all metrics than the Cubs? I had no idea.

drink all the kool aid that you wish. It's your right.
 

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So now, as the Cubs prepare to kick off the first ST game with what is indisputably the strongest roster in baseball, they're going to claim that Epstein just got "really lucky." Maybe Imrem should go work for the Sun-Times? He'd fit right in with the rest of their bozos.

"The Chicago Cubs' baseball boss also noted that it's remarkable that the club became favorites to win the World Series so soon.

Nothing Epstein said is surprising, but it was good to hear him say it."


http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20160302/sports/160309667/

I get the Herald delivered every day...every day for about 10 years. I can tell you for a fact that the next intelligent thought that enters Imrem's brain will be his first. Another bonus is that he has zero originality in his columns. I'm sure he stole most of what he wrote today from somebody he read on the east coast. I pointed that out to him on his blog and of course, he didn't respond. He's the Milton Berle of sportswriters.
 

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Then what was your implication that I clearly missed?

That making this team the best is a bit premature. Again, ok to be a fan, even a super fan like fatbeard. But better to accept that you chug the kool aid then to pass a comment off as legit.
 

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I believe the word "indisputably" was the problem
 

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I believe the word "indisputably" was the problem

Is there a mainstream win projection metric that doesn't have the Cubs projected to be MLB's best team? If there is I'm not aware of it. How much more "indisputable" can it get?
 

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Who cares? Brett roots for the other side. We are happy that they are paper champions. Who cares what anyone says? Brett was confident the Sox were a better team last year and then even said they were better over the Sox winning a series. Who cares? Cubs have a great shot to win. Now, they have to show it. Im gonna watch them no matter what.
 

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Is there a mainstream win projection metric that doesn't have the Cubs projected to be MLB's best team? If there is I'm not aware of it. How much more "indisputable" can it get?

Most wins is not best team, especially in the NL with 6 teams being historically bad teams
 

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