Derrick Rose named East's Player of the Month

[Anytime23]

Derrick Rose over last 5 games: 29.4 pts, 9.8 asts, .489 FG pct., 49-of-55 FTs.

 

[houheffna]

Derrick Rose over last 5 games: 29.4 pts, 9.8 asts, .489 FG pct., 49-of-55 FTs.

Very impressive, is that the last five games in March?

 

[Anytime23]

No its just the last 5 games. Didnt want to make another thread so i thought i would just put it here.

 

[nwfisch]

Derrick Rose over last 5 games: 29.4 pts, 9.8 asts, .489 FG pct., 49-of-55 FTs.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYgMZEzVKVA]YouTube - Derrick Rose (MVP Song)[/ame]

Derrick Rose MVP song.

 

[bullsman247]

To be fair, here is what LeBatard thinks of it. He received an email and read it and said the following..."

"This made my mouth hang open when I heard it. Derrick Rose scored 25.6 points per game last month. LeBron James averaged 28.

"Derrick Rose shot 41% last month. LeBron shot fifty-eight %!

"So LeBron James shot less, scored more. Shot less, scored more and was a vastly more efficient player.

"41%, 58%. That's a vastly enormous difference."

I know most of you have already made up your minds that Derrick Rose has been given the trophy and should just BE MVP but what do you do with this?

There is a huge discrepancy in these numbers. LeBron was far more efficient last month than Rose was.

LeBatard added, "Derrick Rose won player of the month with statistics that don't make any sense. None. You cannot make a numerical argument when you put those numbers side by side. You simply can't."

What do we do with this, guys?

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

I said it earlier in the thread.

Rose wasnt the best player of the month.

but he was the MVP of the month.

It's a pointless award, really.

 

[houheffna]

I said it earlier in the thread.

Rose wasnt the best player of the month.

but he was the MVP of the month.

It's a pointless award, really.

I just posted the numbers because...I wanted an explanation...people said it was about team wins...

 

[Anytime23]

To be fair, here is what LeBatard thinks of it. He received an email and read it and said the following..."

"This made my mouth hang open when I heard it. Derrick Rose scored 25.6 points per game last month. LeBron James averaged 28.

"Derrick Rose shot 41% last month. LeBron shot fifty-eight %!

"So LeBron James shot less, scored more. Shot less, scored more and was a vastly more efficient player.

"41%, 58%. That's a vastly enormous difference."

I know most of you have already made up your minds that Derrick Rose has been given the trophy and should just BE MVP but what do you do with this?

There is a huge discrepancy in these numbers. LeBron was far more efficient last month than Rose was.

LeBatard added, "Derrick Rose won player of the month with statistics that don't make any sense. None. You cannot make a numerical argument when you put those numbers side by side. You simply can't."

What do we do with this, guys?

He's a Miami homer. LeBrons #s not only for the month of March were butter but for the year his #s are better. But because of Wade, he's not going to win MVP.

But one month doesnt make or break a case for anyone. Say what you want about Rose's #s and how he's struggled shooting at times but late in the game he's been money as of late. Also if Rose got the respect of the foul like he has the past month or so all season, his #s would probably be where Brons are. Maybe not percentage wise but points wise.

 

[pinkizdead]

the mvp is a lame award. it's so very ill defined. if rose wins it, i'll be happy for the guy. I really just want to see the bulls in the finals. I love the team, and i'm excited for the playoffs.

on a related tangent, People who think that if you can switch westbrook and rose, the bulls would have the same record are Special person.

lastly, people who want to compare rose to iverson are Special person too. If you're looking for a guard to compare his shot selection/efficiency, he's closer to kobe than either iverson or jordan.

 

[houheffna]

Its almost miraculous that at 22 Rose is being spoken of at this level. I cannot recall that ever happening for a player that young. That said, everybody likes a good story, and as was pointed out, best story has won MVP in recent years. Iverson, Nash were the best stories of their respective years, not the best players, not the best stats, not necessarily most valuable to their team....but following them from beginning to the end of the season makes for the best dramatic story.

Iverson, the thug from Virginia who was put down by players and the league for his tatoos, cornrows, music, entourage and the culture he embraced suddenly became the centerpiece of a contender. Not only that, the second best guy on his team was who? Ratliff? Shaq had a better year, but that story was valuable to the league. He defied the masses who became doomsayers. They were right about his never winning a title, they were wrong about his desire to do so. That year was a breakthrough for a young man, who did it his way, and was a desirable player to have on any team. His "thug qualities" became pluses and not minuses, his toughness, stubbornness and pride benefited his team, and added to his value.

Nash was a good player, a sidekick to his buddy Dirk in Dallas, goes to Phoenix, where he was considered a bust to a certain level, playing behind KJ and Cassell to become a superstar, who would become arguably the franchise's most treasured player. He jumped from being a good player to being a great player in one year...at 30. A new offense and young players like Amare, Joe Johnson and the Matrix and behold you have a 60 win team. Another great story, may sound corny but was any story better that year?

I think to expect journalists...writers...to pick the winners and totally ignore the story of a young player who says he can be MVP, and despite what is going on in the league, to standout in a league with great teams like the Lakers and Celtics along with teams like OKC and the new juggernaut with all the media attention in Miami, he does his best to play at that level because its necessary for his team to win. That is a heckuva story. And in a year when Lebron is disliked, Kobe is at times unspectacular as his team is, Howard's team underachieves and the Spurs resurface with the same group of stars, but no player on the same level as the aforementioned players, Rose is the story. He has good enough stats, good enough value, and plays a pivotal enough role on his team that I believe he deserves the award as much as Iverson and Nash...and with both of those guys, it starts with the story and superlative play that backs it up.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Its almost miraculous that at 22 Rose is being spoken of at this level. I cannot recall that ever happening for a player that young. That said, everybody likes a good story, and as was pointed out, best story has won MVP in recent years. Iverson, Nash were the best stories of their respective years, not the best players, not the best stats, not necessarily most valuable to their team....but following them from beginning to the end of the season makes for the best dramatic story.

Iverson, the thug from Virginia who was put down by players and the league for his tatoos, cornrows, music, entourage and the culture he embraced suddenly became the centerpiece of a contender. Not only that, the second best guy on his team was who? Ratliff? Shaq had a better year, but that story was valuable to the league. He defied the masses who became doomsayers. They were right about his never winning a title, they were wrong about his desire to do so. That year was a breakthrough for a young man, who did it his way, and was a desirable player to have on any team. His "thug qualities" became pluses and not minuses, his toughness, stubbornness and pride benefited his team, and added to his value.

Nash was a good player, a sidekick to his buddy Dirk in Dallas, goes to Phoenix, where he was considered a bust to a certain level, playing behind KJ and Cassell to become a superstar, who would become arguably the franchise's most treasured player. He jumped from being a good player to being a great player in one year...at 30. A new offense and young players like Amare, Joe Johnson and the Matrix and behold you have a 60 win team. Another great story, may sound corny but was any story better that year?

I think to expect journalists...writers...to pick the winners and totally ignore the story of a young player who says he can be MVP, and despite what is going on in the league, to standout in a league with great teams like the Lakers and Celtics along with teams like OKC and the new juggernaut with all the media attention in Miami, he does his best to play at that level because its necessary for his team to win. That is a heckuva story. And in a year when Lebron is disliked, Kobe is at times unspectacular as his team is, Howard's team underachieves and the Spurs resurface with the same group of stars, but no player on the same level as the aforementioned players, Rose is the story. He has good enough stats, good enough value, and plays a pivotal enough role on his team that I believe he deserves the award as much as Iverson and Nash...and with both of those guys, it starts with the story and superlative play that backs it up.

Extremely well said. That is all truth up there.

 

[bullsman247]

I'm happy with Rose winning the MVP - it's wonderful seeing a Bull win it again....only thing is, at the same time it also makes me miss the Dream Team generation a lot.

The players were so much better then, as good as Rose is, he probably wouldn't have even made the All-Star team.

If Rose played in 1993, he wouldn't even get an MVP vote, let alone the trophy.

I'm happy for how well he and da Bulls are playing but it also makes me think "How great is the NBA now if the MVP wouldn't have even made the Dream Team?"

 

[houheffna]

I'm happy with Rose winning the MVP - it's wonderful seeing a Bull win it again....only thing is, at the same time it also makes me miss the Dream Team generation a lot.

The players were so much better then, as good as Rose is, he probably wouldn't have even made the All-Star team.

If Rose played in 1993, he wouldn't even get an MVP vote, let alone the trophy.

I'm happy for how well he and da Bulls are playing but it also makes me think "How great is the NBA now if the MVP wouldn't have even made the Dream Team?"

Are you serious? Lol...Rose is a better player than Christian Laetner dude...give me a break...

 

[bullsman247]

Christian Laettner was chosen as some sort of weird consolation to the NCAA, since the Olympic team transitioned from college kids to NBA players. Laettner, the only guy luckerier than Ringo Starr.

Think of all the great players who didn't even make that team.

Hakeem Olajuwon (ineligible at the time, wasn't officially a citizen), Dominique Wilkins, Isiah Thomas, Reggie Miller, Shaquille O'Neal...etc.

What I'm saying is, Derrick Rose never would have made that team over the Magics and the Stocktons and the Birds and the Barkleys and Jordans and Robinsons.

Not even a sniff. Not even an MVP vote.

There's not a guy on that Dream Team (except Laettner) who wasn't better than Rose.

That shows how insanely talented that generation was. And i miss it.

Are you serious? Lol...Rose is a better player than Christian Laetner dude...give me a break...

 

[chitownclothing]

Congrats, Rose! Remember when people were claiming Rondo a better point guard? What nincompoops.


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[houheffna]

Christian Laettner was chosen as some sort of weird consolation to the NCAA, since the Olympic team transitioned from college kids to NBA players. Laettner, the only guy luckerier than Ringo Starr.

Think of all the great players who didn't even make that team.

Hakeem Olajuwon (ineligible at the time, wasn't officially a citizen), Dominique Wilkins, Isiah Thomas, Reggie Miller, Shaquille O'Neal...etc.

What I'm saying is, Derrick Rose never would have made that team over the Magics and the Stocktons and the Birds and the Barkleys and Jordans and Robinsons.

Not even a sniff. Not even an MVP vote.

There's not a guy on that Dream Team (except Laettner) who wasn't better than Rose.

That shows how insanely talented that generation was. And i miss it.

Lebron could have made that team, so could have Kobe, Wade a lot of players from now could have made that team. Rose is in his third year...those guys have established legacies, you can miss that time all you want but I don't think putting down this era of superstars, which is a great era, is justified. Rose would have been an allstar in that era also. Again, he is 22. He will only get better. Being an MVP is a testament to his greatness, not some denouncement of this generation. That is just crazy to me. I have no doubt that if you looked at that roster, he could have made that team.

But what makes you think merit was all that was considered. POLITICS is why Isiah didn't make it, not merit.

 

[bullsman247]

Kobe and LeBron definitely could have made it but not Rose (the subject of that last message).

Rose would have beaten out either Magic Johnson or John Stockton for the guard spots on the Dream Team.

Reeeeeally Hou?

Why didn't Dominique make it? Definitely not merit.

That is just crazy to me. I have no doubt that if you looked at that roster, he could have made that team.

But what makes you think merit was all that was considered. POLITICS is why Isiah didn't make it, not merit.

 

[Frank Breakfast Styleham]

I absolutely agree, Bullsman.

Though Rose is a nice young player, he never would have even sniffed that Dream Team roster.

Crazy to think a guy who wouldn't have even been a top 12 player in 1992 is the MVP today.

Kobe and LeBron definitely could have made it but not Rose (the subject of that last message).

Rose would have beaten out either Magic Johnson or John Stockton for the guard spots on the Dream Team.

Reeeeeally Hou?

Why didn't Dominique make it? Definitely not merit.

 

[houheffna]

I absolutely agree, Bullsman.

Though Rose is a nice young player, he never would have even sniffed that Dream Team roster.

Crazy to think a guy who wouldn't have even been a top 12 player in 1992 is the MVP today.

I personally would put Rose with Stockton at that point in their career...Stockton went to 4 allstar games, and didn't win an MVP like it seems Rose will. Stock played with Malone, there is no Karl Malone on this Bulls team...nobody close.

And why make up these different aliases? Its grating...

 

[Anytime23]

There's absolutely no way of proving Rose wouldn't make that dream team. Do you put him with Jordan and Pippen, or do you put him in Magic or short shorts place? The game may not be as physical these days but it's a lot faster and every night rose looks like the fastest guy on the court.